Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act (HOEPA)
Public Hearing
June 14, 2007
Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System
Martin Building, Terrace Level
20th and C Streets, N.W., Washington, D.C.
| Transcript | Line | Page |
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| on the housing market. | 1 | 176 |
| My testimony today derives from two | 2 | 176 |
| recently-released reports. You can find them on our | 3 | 176 |
| website, that I co-authored with my colleague, Bill | 4 | 176 |
| Apgar. | 5 | 176 |
| These studies explore very specifically | 6 | 176 |
| consumer behavior and how some mortgage market | 7 | 176 |
| players, some, take advantage of consumer decision- | 8 | 176 |
| making weaknesses. | 9 | 176 |
| We also have data that looks at the segments | 10 | 176 |
| of the marketplace, and suggests that higher-priced | 11 | 176 |
| loans flow through distinct channels. In light of the | 12 | 176 |
| recent upsurge in foreclosures, there's growing | 13 | 176 |
| evidence that many families are taking on debt to get | 14 | 176 |
| mortgages that they don't understand, and that are | 15 | 176 |
| typically not suitable for their needs. | 16 | 176 |
| We looked at the economics and market | 17 | 176 |
| research, and found that consumer preferences are | 18 | 176 |
| malleable, consumers are vulnerable to outside | 19 | 176 |
| influence, consumers lack an awareness of mortgage | 20 | 176 |
| pricing, and even some of the most sophisticated | 21 | 176 |
| consumers find it difficult to shop in the complex | 22 | 176 |
| marketplace of today. | 23 | 176 |
| Unfortunately, some mortgage providers use | 24 | 176 |
| this knowledge to aggressively push market specific | 25 | 176 |
| products that may not be in the interest of the | 1 | 177 |
| borrower. So instead of supporting an informed | 2 | 177 |
| choice, aggressive and misleading marketing can | 3 | 177 |
| actually play into a consumer's fear and lack of | 4 | 177 |
| knowledge. | 5 | 177 |
| Beyond, we look at the incentive structures | 6 | 177 |
| of mortgage brokers and loan officers, and we see that | 7 | 177 |
| some of them create additional challenges. | 8 | 177 |
| Specifically, where it relates to specific loan | 9 | 177 |
| features and terms, may result in consumers not | 10 | 177 |
| obtaining the best mortgage for which they qualify. | 11 | 177 |
| This can really worsen a consumer's economic | 12 | 177 |
| circumstance. Problems exist in the regulatory | 13 | 177 |
| structure as well. Historically, the federal | 14 | 177 |
| regulations have played an essential role in promoting | 15 | 177 |
| a fair and efficient marketplace, by clearly defining | 16 | 177 |
| these ethical industry standards and consumer | 17 | 177 |
| practices. | 18 | 177 |
| Unfortunately, some non-bank lenders and | 19 | 177 |
| brokers operate largely outside the federal regulatory | 20 | 177 |
| structure. So therefore, what we find in looking at | 21 | 177 |
| the channels is that the most vulnerable borrowers in | 22 | 177 |
| our country are less likely to benefit from federal | 23 | 177 |
| consumer protections that are generally present in the | 24 | 177 |
| prime market. | 25 | 177 |
| So this lack of regulatory uniformity | 1 | 178 |
| actually distorts the market activity, and as less | 2 | 178 |
| regulated market segments exploit the advantage of | 3 | 178 |
| reduced regulations over their more regulated | 4 | 178 |
| competitors. So we really have kind of a lack of | 5 | 178 |
| efficiency in the marketplace right now. | 6 | 178 |
| The two Joint Center papers that I mentioned | 7 | 178 |
| earlier suggest a range of solutions, and I won't go | 8 | 178 |
| through all of those. But I'll just speak to the | 9 | 178 |
| consumer point, that letting the consumer decide has | 10 | 178 |
| distinct limitations, and efforts must be expanded to | 11 | 178 |
| guide consumers to good loans. | 12 | 178 |
| So specifically we look at how we changed | 13 | 178 |
| disclosure regulations to enhance consumer shopping, | 14 | 178 |
| and knowing that often they come too late. I'll get | 15 | 178 |
| to this in our Q and A, because I'm about to run out | 16 | 178 |
| of time here. | 17 | 178 |
| But we make sure we match it to improve | 18 | 178 |
| timing. We know that the timing issue really limits | 19 | 178 |
| the ability for disclosures to have an impact for | 20 | 178 |
| consumers in their shopping. | 21 | 178 |
| We also believe and even apply some of our | 22 | 178 |
| consumer principles to lead consumers to good loans. | 23 | 178 |
| So I think some of the suggestions around setting | 24 | 178 |
| defaults, specifically around the escrow, where you | 25 | 178 |
| really encourage a consumer to opt-in to the good | 1 | 179 |
| choice, while allowing for opt-outs in certain | 2 | 179 |
| circumstances. | 3 | 179 |
| These are good things. It's what we learn | 4 | 179 |
| from consumer behaviors for setting defaults, and I | 5 | 179 |
| think that's a perfect example of how to set an | 6 | 179 |
| appropriate default solution. | 7 | 179 |
| Lastly, the federal government should | 8 | 179 |
| establish uniform minimum standards, while allowing | 9 | 179 |
| room for states to innovate. So whether this is a | 10 | 179 |
| standing interagency guidance to cover all lenders, | 11 | 179 |
| including non-banks, to create a floor and create even | 12 | 179 |
| competition and consumer protection. | 13 | 179 |
| We also believe that the federal government | 14 | 179 |
| should assume responsibility for licensing mortgage | 15 | 179 |
| brokers and loan originators. We think this is | 16 | 179 |
| important at this point. There's clearly some | 17 | 179 |
| problems in the marketplace. | 18 | 179 |
| At the same time, we would want to assure | 19 | 179 |
| that the federal government allows for states to | 20 | 179 |
| establish higher licensing requirements if local | 21 | 179 |
| conditions warrant, to allow the states to be the | 22 | 179 |
| place to kind of test cases, where we can analyze and | 23 | 179 |
| see how regulations can be done and learn from those | 24 | 179 |
| experiences. | 25 | 179 |
| As the federal government does so, we should | 1 | 180 |
| make sure there's enough resources at the state level | 2 | 180 |
| to support the kind of enforcement that needs to | 3 | 180 |
| happen. Thank you. | 4 | 180 |
| GOVERNOR KROSZNER: Thank you very much. | 5 | 180 |
| Now we'll turn to Joe Mason from Drexel, someone whom | 6 | 180 |
| I have known since he was in graduate school. | 7 | 180 |
| MR. MASON: Thank you. Thank you, Randy. | 8 | 180 |
| Thank you, Ms. Braunstein and thank you to the Board | 9 | 180 |
| for the opportunity to testify today on this extremely | 10 | 180 |
| important topic of mortgage terms and regulation. | 11 | 180 |
| The overall theme of my statement today will | 12 | 180 |
| be that specific loan features and underwriting | 13 | 180 |
| practices are not per se undesirable. While the | 14 | 180 |
| borrower may not always been the best judge of | 15 | 180 |
| suitability for particularly complex loan products, | 16 | 180 |
| non-price terms like prepayment penalties and escrows | 17 | 180 |
| are valuable ways to keep borrowing affordable, while | 18 | 180 |
| stated income and no doc loans play a crucial role for | 19 | 180 |
| small business people and entrepreneurs in today's | 20 | 180 |
| credit marketplace. | 21 | 180 |
| The remarks that follow and the more | 22 | 180 |
| detailed handout at the back, pose a challenge to | 23 | 180 |
| policymakers to improve regulation without hindering | 24 | 180 |
| new financial product development and borrower | 25 | 180 |
| flexibility, while at the same time striking a balance | 1 | 181 |
| between pursuing fraud and misrepresentation through | 2 | 181 |
| education and advocacy, and allowing individuals and | 3 | 181 |
| society to learn from their mistakes. | 4 | 181 |
| The consumer credit industry has found it | 5 | 181 |
| extremely lucrative in recent years to market on the | 6 | 181 |
| basis of payments rather than price. Consumers have | 7 | 181 |
| become comfortable with temporary use rather than | 8 | 181 |
| ownership. | 9 | 181 |
| Non-price terms like prepayment penalties | 10 | 181 |
| and escrows tend to lower loan payments to levels that | 11 | 181 |
| are accessible to consumers. While it's been standard | 12 | 181 |
| for business borrowers to choose from a menu of non- | 13 | 181 |
| price terms associated with different stated interest | 14 | 181 |
| rates, those choices are new to most consumers and | 15 | 181 |
| create new challenges for consumer credit regulation. | 16 | 181 |
| Standard MBA textbooks teach that the total | 17 | 181 |
| loan price is a function of the non-price terms, the | 18 | 181 |
| fee-based terms and the stated interest rate. When | 19 | 181 |
| the borrower agrees to forego something, like | 20 | 181 |
| prepayment flexibility, or maintains something like | 21 | 181 |
| escrow balances, they're giving up the option of | 22 | 181 |
| acting otherwise. | 23 | 181 |
| Hence, many non-price terms can be valued as | 24 | 181 |
| a foregone options. Foregone options that reduce | 25 | 181 |
| credit risk are valuable to the lender; hence, non- | 1 | 182 |
| price terms should lower interest rates by the value | 2 | 182 |
| of the option. | 3 | 182 |
| A borrower that does not intend to move or | 4 | 182 |
| refinance during the prepayment penalty term can | 5 | 182 |
| benefit by credibly committing that intent to the | 6 | 182 |
| lender, and receive a lower interest rate in return. | 7 | 182 |
| In such cases, however, the borrower may not | 8 | 182 |
| pay attention to the size of the prepayment penalty, | 9 | 182 |
| reasoning that the probability of moving is so small | 10 | 182 |
| that the feature doesn't pertain to them. | 11 | 182 |
| Ex-poste however, the borrower may lose | 12 | 182 |
| their job or just want to refinance during the | 13 | 182 |
| prepayment penalty period. The borrower planned | 14 | 182 |
| wrong. It's important to remember, however, that the | 15 | 182 |
| prepayment penalty that some allege to be per se | 16 | 182 |
| predatory has already been offset by a period of lower | 17 | 182 |
| interest payments up to that date. Hence, the | 18 | 182 |
| borrower benefitted. | 19 | 182 |
| Escrow elections perform a similar economic | 20 | 182 |
| function. The credible commitment to timely tax and | 21 | 182 |
| insurance payments reduces monthly payments by an | 22 | 182 |
| amount equal to the value of the foregone option. The | 23 | 182 |
| borrower that does not intend to miss tax and | 24 | 182 |
| insurance payments can credibly commit that to the | 25 | 182 |
| lender, and receive an interest rate savings in | 1 | 183 |
| return. | 2 | 183 |
| If the lender or servicer can use the funds | 3 | 183 |
| in the same manner in core deposits, the interest | 4 | 183 |
| savings to the borrower should be even greater. Many | 5 | 183 |
| new loan features are being invented that provide | 6 | 183 |
| similar tradeoffs between non-price terms and monthly | 7 | 183 |
| payments. | 8 | 183 |
| State-of-the-art products like reverse | 9 | 183 |
| mortgages and new REX mortgages pose risks that are | 10 | 183 |
| not yet fully understood, and reduce monthly payments | 11 | 183 |
| to zero and beyond. The challenge, therefore, becomes | 12 | 183 |
| how to help borrowers understand the value of these | 13 | 183 |
| non-price features, and decide which loan is right for | 14 | 183 |
| them. | 15 | 183 |
| Financial education in the U.S., even at the | 16 | 183 |
| K-12 level, is woefully inadequate. A handful of | 17 | 183 |
| banks have begun providing financial education for | 18 | 183 |
| immigrant groups, as a way to approach that new market | 19 | 183 |
| for predominantly no doc and stated income loans. But | 20 | 183 |
| there is virtually no financial education initiative | 21 | 183 |
| focused towards the elderly, who have the most at | 22 | 183 |
| stake in very complex reverse mortgage arrangements. | 23 | 183 |
| Even with education, however, consumers may | 24 | 183 |
| have difficulty understanding the value and importance | 25 | 183 |
| of non-price terms that are appropriate for their | 1 | 184 |
| transaction. The problem is the complexity of the | 2 | 184 |
| transaction itself, combined with the relatively rare | 3 | 184 |
| incidence of home financing during one's lifetime. | 4 | 184 |
| It may therefore make sense to acknowledge | 5 | 184 |
| the limits to education and disclosure, by | 6 | 184 |
| recommending the advice of an independent third party | 7 | 184 |
| legal or financial professional in the event that | 8 | 184 |
| standard disclosure does not adequately represent the | 9 | 184 |
| risks of a particular loan product, rather than | 10 | 184 |
| prohibit such features outright. | 11 | 184 |
| Such a provision may balance financial | 12 | 184 |
| product innovation, with borrower protection, in a | 13 | 184 |
| manner beneficial to both. | 14 | 184 |
| Last, a brief caveat. No matter the | 15 | 184 |
| disclosures or provisions enacted by the Board, some | 16 | 184 |
| borrowers will borrow no matter what the terms. When | 17 | 184 |
| home price appreciation is again in the double digits | 18 | 184 |
| and income is rising, borrowers, brokers, originators, | 19 | 184 |
| investment banks and investors will not take the time | 20 | 184 |
| to properly understand the risks they're assuming. | 21 | 184 |
| Willful overborrowing is not a reason to | 22 | 184 |
| abrogate or limit contracts. Thank you. | 23 | 184 |
| GOVERNOR KROSZNER: Thank you very much, | 24 | 184 |
| Joe. Now we're going to turn to Mike Decker from the | 25 | 184 |
| Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association, | 1 | 185 |
| which is now called SIFMA. | 2 | 185 |
| MR. DECKER: Good afternoon and thank you | 3 | 185 |
| for the opportunity to be here. The evolution of | 4 | 185 |
| mortgage securitization has been one of the most | 5 | 185 |
| remarkable developments in the financial markets over | 6 | 185 |
| the last 25 years. | 7 | 185 |
| The mortgage securities market, now the | 8 | 185 |
| largest sector of the U.S. fixed income market, has | 9 | 185 |
| brought numerous benefits to investors and especially | 10 | 185 |
| home buyers, and has reduced risks for banks, thrifts | 11 | 185 |
| and others engaged in mortgage lending. | 12 | 185 |
| The rise of subprime lending and the growth | 13 | 185 |
| in access to mortgage credit for subprime home buyers | 14 | 185 |
| wouldn't have been possible without mortgage | 15 | 185 |
| securitization. | 16 | 185 |
| Millions of eligible families have been able | 17 | 185 |
| to purchase homes as a result of subprime mortgages | 18 | 185 |
| and mortgage-backed securities. We estimate that | 19 | 185 |
| nearly 2.2 million families use subprime financing to | 20 | 185 |
| purchase their first homes between 2000 and 2006. | 21 | 185 |
| However, it has become clear that | 22 | 185 |
| underwriting standards were at times too loose at the | 23 | 185 |
| peak of the housing boom. Subprime loans that | 24 | 185 |
| shouldn't have been made were made. Subprime lenders, | 25 | 185 |
| secondary market investors and most importantly | 1 | 186 |
| borrowers are now paying the price. | 2 | 186 |
| The market has clearly and swiftly reacted | 3 | 186 |
| to correct the excesses. This can be seen in the | 4 | 186 |
| closure of a number of subprime lenders, and | 5 | 186 |
| increasing loss rates on bonds backed by subprime | 6 | 186 |
| mortgages, which were poorly underwritten. | 7 | 186 |
| Overall, however, the subprime market has | 8 | 186 |
| worked extraordinarily well, and has served the needs | 9 | 186 |
| of homebuyers with weak credit. Clearly, the vast | 10 | 186 |
| majority of subprime borrowers are able to pay their | 11 | 186 |
| loans on time, and they have been able to achieve the | 12 | 186 |
| dream of home ownership. | 13 | 186 |
| The vast majority of subprime mortgages are | 14 | 186 |
| sold by loan originators into the secondary market, | 15 | 186 |
| and become collateral for mortgage-backed securities. | 16 | 186 |
| Participants in the secondary mortgage market | 17 | 186 |
| generally are not in positions to determine whether | 18 | 186 |
| the loans in which they invest were originated under | 19 | 186 |
| illegal, inappropriate or fraudulent terms. | 20 | 186 |
| It would be inappropriate and unfair to | 21 | 186 |
| expect mortgage wholesalers or MBS investors to serve | 22 | 186 |
| as the supervisors of the subprime mortgage market. | 23 | 186 |
| Indeed, imposing undue obligations or liabilities on | 24 | 186 |
| secondary market participants would simply drive them | 25 | 186 |
| from the market altogether, and dry up funding for | 1 | 187 |
| subprime originations. | 2 | 187 |
| Some policymakers at the federal, state and | 3 | 187 |
| local level have supported imposing such assignee | 4 | 187 |
| liability on secondary market participants. In some | 5 | 187 |
| cases, these efforts have resulted in a total shutdown | 6 | 187 |
| of subprime lending in those jurisdictions. | 7 | 187 |
| In addition, subprime mortgage regulation at | 8 | 187 |
| the federal, state and local levels have left the | 9 | 187 |
| market with a patchwork of different and sometimes | 10 | 187 |
| conflicting laws governing liabilities for the | 11 | 187 |
| secondary market. | 12 | 187 |
| SIFMA opposes the imposition of liability | 13 | 187 |
| for illegal lending on secondary mortgage market | 14 | 187 |
| participants. However, if policymakers do impose | 15 | 187 |
| assignee liability on investors or others, observing | 16 | 187 |
| several key principles would help mitigate an | 17 | 187 |
| negative, unwanted effects, and ensure that worthy | 18 | 187 |
| subprime borrowers continue to have access to mortgage | 19 | 187 |
| loans. | 20 | 187 |
| These include, for example, providing for a | 21 | 187 |
| clearly defined national standard for subprime | 22 | 187 |
| lending, and ensuring that damages associated with | 23 | 187 |
| assignee liability would not exceed the actual | 24 | 187 |
| economic damage suffered by borrowers, among others. | 25 | 187 |
| In recent years, some states have imposed | 1 | 188 |
| assignee liability provisions that have been based on | 2 | 188 |
| unclear, subjective standards; have imposed uncapped | 3 | 188 |
| liabilities on assignees; or have otherwise imposed | 4 | 188 |
| unreasonable burdens on secondary market participants. | 5 | 188 |
| Perhaps the most egregious example was the | 6 | 188 |
| 2002 Georgia Fair Lending Act, which included several | 7 | 188 |
| provisions that were onerously difficult to interpret | 8 | 188 |
| or apply, and which imposed potentially unlimited | 9 | 188 |
| liability on assignees. | 10 | 188 |
| The result of that action was a virtual | 11 | 188 |
| shutdown of the subprime lending business in Georgia, | 12 | 188 |
| unless the law was amended the next year. In addition | 13 | 188 |
| to ensuring that assignee liability standards are | 14 | 188 |
| clear, objective and reasonable, SIFMA has views on | 15 | 188 |
| several other policy responses to current issues in | 16 | 188 |
| the subprime market. | 17 | 188 |
| For example, we encourage loan servicers to | 18 | 188 |
| employ flexibility, as provided for in loan and | 19 | 188 |
| servicing contracts, and in accordance with applicable | 20 | 188 |
| law and accounting standards, to help borrowers in | 21 | 188 |
| trouble avoid foreclosure. | 22 | 188 |
| Indeed, we have been promoting steps that | 23 | 188 |
| can help keep families in their homes. These might | 24 | 188 |
| include alternative repayment plans, forbearance | 25 | 188 |
| agreements and loan modifications. | 1 | 189 |
| No one benefits from foreclosures, and it is | 2 | 189 |
| in the interest of both borrowers and lenders to try | 3 | 189 |
| and keep homeowners in their homes. However, we | 4 | 189 |
| strongly oppose governmentally mandated forbearance or | 5 | 189 |
| loan modification. Such actions would impose | 6 | 189 |
| unreasonable penalties on mortgage investors, not | 7 | 189 |
| responsible for how loans were originated, and would | 8 | 189 |
| threaten the legal and contractual underpinnings of | 9 | 189 |
| securitization and reduce the willingness and ability | 10 | 189 |
| of the secondary market to finance mortgage lending. | 11 | 189 |
| We also impose the imposition of suitability | 12 | 189 |
| standards applicable to mortgage lending, and we | 13 | 189 |
| oppose regulatory restrictions on specific mortgage | 14 | 189 |
| products. Suitability is inherently subjective, and | 15 | 189 |
| would be too difficult to apply in the context of the | 16 | 189 |
| lender-borrower relationship. | 17 | 189 |
| Restricting particular mortgage products | 18 | 189 |
| could prevent lenders from offering borrowers | 19 | 189 |
| mortgages that best meet their needs. | 20 | 189 |
| SIFMA is committed to helping policymakers | 21 | 189 |
| at all levels of government address current issues in | 22 | 189 |
| the subprime market, in a way that preserves mortgage | 23 | 189 |
| lending for families with poorer credits. | 24 | 189 |
| Thank you again for the opportunity to be | 25 | 189 |
| here. We'll be submitting a written response to the | 1 | 190 |
| specific questions raised for the hearing topic in a | 2 | 190 |
| very short time, and I look forward to our | 3 | 190 |
| discussions. | 4 | 190 |
| GOVERNOR KROSZNER: Thank you very much, | 5 | 190 |
| Mike. Now we're going to turn to Steve Antonakes from | 6 | 190 |
| the Banking Commission in Massachusetts. | 7 | 190 |
| MR. ANTONAKES: Good afternoon Governor | 8 | 190 |
| Kroszner and Director Braunstein. My name is Stephen | 9 | 190 |
| Antonakes. I serve as the Commissioner of Banks in | 10 | 190 |
| the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. My office | 11 | 190 |
| supervises over 260 state-chartered banks and credit | 12 | 190 |
| unions, and over 2,000 licensed mortgage lenders and | 13 | 190 |
| mortgage brokers. | 14 | 190 |
| The evolution of a subprime mortgage market | 15 | 190 |
| compounded by a weakening real estate market and | 16 | 190 |
| increasing interest rates, have led to a substantial | 17 | 190 |
| number of foreclosures. These issues have been well- | 18 | 190 |
| chronicled. | 19 | 190 |
| My goal this afternoon is to focus primarily | 20 | 190 |
| upon efforts underway in Massachusetts to improve the | 21 | 190 |
| supervision of the mortgage industry and assist | 22 | 190 |
| homeowners facing foreclosure. I will also touch | 23 | 190 |
| briefly upon coordinated efforts among state mortgage | 24 | 190 |
| regulators and some actions I believe the Federal | 25 | 190 |
| Reserve could take under existing authority to further | 1 | 191 |
| enhance consumer protection. | 2 | 191 |
| Last year, my office conducted over 400 | 3 | 191 |
| examinations of non-bank lenders and brokers. | 4 | 191 |
| Examinations include a review of their overall | 5 | 191 |
| financial safety and soundness, and compliance with | 6 | 191 |
| Massachusetts and federal consumer protection laws. | 7 | 191 |
| As a result of our supervisory efforts, my | 8 | 191 |
| office issued over 100 enforcement actions last year | 9 | 191 |
| against licensed lenders and brokers. In addition to | 10 | 191 |
| our normal examination activities, we conducted a | 11 | 191 |
| sweep of 90 mortgage brokers predominantly serving low | 12 | 191 |
| and moderate income communities, focusing upon stated | 13 | 191 |
| income loans. | 14 | 191 |
| As a result of these visitations, we issued | 15 | 191 |
| several cease and desist orders, essentially | 16 | 191 |
| shuttering companies found to be overstating income on | 17 | 191 |
| loan applications or engaging in other types of | 18 | 191 |
| deceptive practices. | 19 | 191 |
| In an effort to develop a comprehensive | 20 | 191 |
| strategy to address increasing foreclosure rates in | 21 | 191 |
| Massachusetts, my office organized a Mortgage Summit | 22 | 191 |
| this past November, attended by nearly 50 individuals, | 23 | 191 |
| representing 29 government, industry and non-profit | 24 | 191 |
| organizations. | 25 | 191 |
| Following the Summit, we established two | 1 | 192 |
| working groups, one that focused on rules and | 2 | 192 |
| enforcement and the other on consumer education and | 3 | 192 |
| foreclosure assistance. Each working group met at my | 4 | 192 |
| office for two weeks for three months. | 5 | 192 |
| Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick has | 6 | 192 |
| taken steps to effect both the long-term and short- | 7 | 192 |
| term goals, to improve supervision over the industry, | 8 | 192 |
| and protect homeowners. He's directed my office to | 9 | 192 |
| immediately begin implementing the recommendations of | 10 | 192 |
| the Mortgage Summit Working Groups, including amending | 11 | 192 |
| existing regulations and drafting new legislation. | 12 | 192 |
| Changes in regulations will result in | 13 | 192 |
| increased net worth, bonding and experience | 14 | 192 |
| requirements for licensed lenders and brokers, and | 15 | 192 |
| increased licensing and examination fees for licensed | 16 | 192 |
| mortgage lenders and brokers, to support additional | 17 | 192 |
| examiner hires and the staffing of a mortgage fraud | 18 | 192 |
| unit. | 19 | 192 |
| Earlier this week, the governor filed a bill | 20 | 192 |
| to enact the legislative recommendations of the Summit | 21 | 192 |
| Working Groups. The bill includes provisions to | 22 | 192 |
| criminalize mortgage fraud, prohibit abusive | 23 | 192 |
| foreclosure rescue schemes, prohibit a lender from | 24 | 192 |
| making an adjustable rate subprime loan unless a | 25 | 192 |
| consumer affirmatively opts out of a fixed rate | 1 | 193 |
| product and presents a certificate indicating that | 2 | 193 |
| they've received home buyer counseling, and will also | 3 | 193 |
| establish a central repository of foreclosure | 4 | 193 |
| information at the Division of Banks to enable my | 5 | 193 |
| office to track foreclosure data by product, | 6 | 193 |
| geographic region, originator, broker and lender. | 7 | 193 |
| In addition, the administration has already | 8 | 193 |
| testified in favor of bills to license mortgage loan | 9 | 193 |
| originators and extend provisions of the Massachusetts | 10 | 193 |
| Community Reinvestment Act to certain mortgage | 11 | 193 |
| lenders. | 12 | 193 |
| In order to provide immediate assistance, my | 13 | 193 |
| office has also, on a case-by-case basis, seeked | 14 | 193 |
| delays in the foreclosure process from mortgage | 15 | 193 |
| lenders and mortgage services for any Massachusetts | 16 | 193 |
| homeowner who files a complaint with my office. | 17 | 193 |
| The goal is to provide a short amount of | 18 | 193 |
| time to allow my office to review complaints, refer | 19 | 193 |
| homeowners to reputable home ownership counseling | 20 | 193 |
| firms, and encourage mortgage lenders to utilize this | 21 | 193 |
| time to work with homeowners who are unable to make | 22 | 193 |
| their mortgage payments. To date, we have fielded | 23 | 193 |
| over 400 calls from Massachusetts residents. | 24 | 193 |
| In recent years, state mortgage regulators | 25 | 193 |
| have also been working collaboratively to improve | 1 | 194 |
| supervision of the residential mortgage industry. | 2 | 194 |
| Several high profile nationwide settlements have | 3 | 194 |
| returned nearly one billion dollars to consumers. | 4 | 194 |
| In addition, through the Conference of State | 5 | 194 |
| Bank Supervisors and American Association of | 6 | 194 |
| Residential Mortgage Regulators, three years of work | 7 | 194 |
| have gone into the development and implementation of a | 8 | 194 |
| nationwide database of mortgage professionals. | 9 | 194 |
| This system will provide a national | 10 | 194 |
| repository of licensing and enforcement actions, and | 11 | 194 |
| is scheduled to be launched on January 1st of 2008. | 12 | 194 |
| Finally, over 40 state mortgage regulators have either | 13 | 194 |
| adopted or are in the process of adopting guidance | 14 | 194 |
| similar to federal interagency guidance on non- | 15 | 194 |
| traditional mortgage loans. Similar action is | 16 | 194 |
| expected once the statement on subprime lending is | 17 | 194 |
| finalized. | 18 | 194 |
| Based upon my experience as a state | 19 | 194 |
| regulator, I believe there are areas where the Federal | 20 | 194 |
| Reserve Board could use its broad rule-making | 21 | 194 |
| authority to ensure one set of rules exist throughout | 22 | 194 |
| the country, relative to subprime mortgage lending. | 23 | 194 |
| Respectfully, I would recommend that the | 24 | 194 |
| Board consider the following: Prepayment penalties | 25 | 194 |
| should expire at least 30 days prior to the first | 1 | 195 |
| adjustment period for subprime adjustable rate | 2 | 195 |
| mortgage loans. | 3 | 195 |
| The Board should use its broad authority | 4 | 195 |
| under HOEPA to ensure that all creditors abide by | 5 | 195 |
| prepayment penalty limitations applicable to them, | 6 | 195 |
| regardless of whether they're state or federal laws. | 7 | 195 |
| The Board should require escrow for taxes | 8 | 195 |
| and insurance for all subprime mortgage loans, with | 9 | 195 |
| the ability of the borrower to affirmatively opt out. | 10 | 195 |
| The Board should consider adopting a rule whereby | 11 | 195 |
| consumers qualified for subprime credit would normally | 12 | 195 |
| receive a 30-year fixed rate, fully amortizing, full | 13 | 195 |
| documentation loan. An affirmative opt-out and | 14 | 195 |
| completion of counseling would be required for the | 15 | 195 |
| subprime borrower to apply for the subprime loan, | 16 | 195 |
| which either features an adjustable rate or a negative | 17 | 195 |
| amortization or less than full documentation of | 18 | 195 |
| income. | 19 | 195 |
| Finally, the Board should require lenders to | 20 | 195 |
| underwrite all subprime and non-traditional mortgage | 21 | 195 |
| products based upon the fully-indexed rate, and based | 22 | 195 |
| upon a fully-amortizing payment schedule. | 23 | 195 |
| I appreciate the opportunity to testify this | 24 | 195 |
| afternoon, and look forward to your questions. | 25 | 195 |
| GOVERNOR KROSZNER: Thank you very much, | 1 | 196 |
| Steve, and also Steve is our representative on the | 2 | 196 |
| FFIEC, the regulatory body or the body that | 3 | 196 |
| coordinates among the federal regulators and the | 4 | 196 |
| recent regulatory relief bill included many of the | 5 | 196 |
| states on there. We're very pleased to have Steve as | 6 | 196 |
| part of that. | 7 | 196 |
| We're also very pleased to have Lori Swanson | 8 | 196 |
| with us back again. She's a part of our Consumer | 9 | 196 |
| Advisory Council, but I just want to do something. | 10 | 196 |
| But unfortunately, she decided that Minnesota was | 11 | 196 |
| where she needed to be, and she's now the attorney | 12 | 196 |
| general of Minnesota. Lori? | 13 | 196 |
| MS. SWANSON: Governor Kroszner, Director | 14 | 196 |
| Braunstein, Board staff, thank you for the opportunity | 15 | 196 |
| to appear today on this important topic. | 16 | 196 |
| I think it's important to put into context | 17 | 196 |
| what we're here about. You know, mortgage is the | 18 | 196 |
| largest financial transaction for most Americans, and | 19 | 196 |
| the American dream of home ownership has been the way | 20 | 196 |
| that most middle income Americans have built a nest | 21 | 196 |
| egg. | 22 | 196 |
| Yet today, many of our neighbors live | 23 | 196 |
| paycheck to paycheck. They can't work harder, spend | 24 | 196 |
| less or save any more. That makes them particularly | 25 | 196 |
| vulnerable to surprises in their mortgage transaction, | 1 | 197 |
| like exploding interest rates, hidden prepayment | 2 | 197 |
| penalties our undisclosed payments. | 3 | 197 |
| It's also important to recognize that | 4 | 197 |
| there's an unlevel playing field between the borrower | 5 | 197 |
| and the mortgage lender. Anybody who's ever attended | 6 | 197 |
| a mortgage closing understands the blizzard of paper | 7 | 197 |
| work put before the borrower. But that gets stacked | 8 | 197 |
| against the home owner and some untrustworthy lenders | 9 | 197 |
| and brokers use that stacked deck to their fullest | 10 | 197 |
| advantage. | 11 | 197 |
| Documents uncovered during our investigation | 12 | 197 |
| of one company describe the sales environment of the | 13 | 197 |
| lender as a "boiler room." A manager in another | 14 | 197 |
| lending institution told his brokers "We're all here | 15 | 197 |
| to make as much money as possible, bottom line. | 16 | 197 |
| Nothing else matters." | 17 | 197 |
| Our office, along with Iowa, was one of the | 18 | 197 |
| lead states and three of the country's biggest | 19 | 197 |
| mortgage lending enforcement actions including FAMCO, | 20 | 197 |
| Household Finance and AmeriQuest. Those cases | 21 | 197 |
| involved such abuses as misleading borrowers into | 22 | 197 |
| purchasing teaser ARMs with exploding interest rates; | 23 | 197 |
| forcing borrowers to stay in expensive loans through | 24 | 197 |
| costly prepayment penalties, and placing borrowers in | 25 | 197 |
| stated income loans, in which the lender fabricated | 1 | 198 |
| borrowers' income or assets. | 2 | 198 |
| You know, some subprime lenders like to | 3 | 198 |
| claim that they do these things to help borrowers | 4 | 198 |
| achieve the American dream of home ownership. I know, | 5 | 198 |
| however, that in many of the most abusive loans, | 6 | 198 |
| they're actually refinancing loans where the person | 7 | 198 |
| already had a mortgage and already had a home, and in | 8 | 198 |
| fact many of those are sold as cash-out refinancings, | 9 | 198 |
| where the borrower is encouraged to use the loan | 10 | 198 |
| proceeds to pay off things like credit card debt. | 11 | 198 |
| I would urge the Board to adopt substantive | 12 | 198 |
| regulations to help address the predatory mortgage | 13 | 198 |
| lending crisis. In Minnesota, I put together a | 14 | 198 |
| predatory lending study group comprised of bankers and | 15 | 198 |
| business people, legal experts and policymakers, to | 16 | 198 |
| recommend reforms in this area. | 17 | 198 |
| It resulted in state legislation, which was | 18 | 198 |
| enacted into law this spring, which covers really all | 19 | 198 |
| of the main topics for today's hearings. I would urge | 20 | 198 |
| the Board to use its regulatory authority under HOEPA | 21 | 198 |
| to similarly regulate these practices. | 22 | 198 |
| I caution the Board that enhanced | 23 | 198 |
| disclosures to the loan are not enough. It's very | 24 | 198 |
| easy, given the complexity of a mortgage transaction | 25 | 198 |
| as I described it, for a broker or lender who's bent | 1 | 199 |
| on misleading a borrower to do so, regardless of the | 2 | 199 |
| disclosures. I think there is a need for substantive | 3 | 199 |
| regulation. | 4 | 199 |
| I'd like to briefly touch on some of the | 5 | 199 |
| main topics for today's hearing. With regard to | 6 | 199 |
| stated income loans, we've seen in Minnesota and | 7 | 199 |
| around the country serious abuses with stated income | 8 | 199 |
| loans. In my state, we see brokers falsify | 9 | 199 |
| applications to claim that people in the 80's hauled | 10 | 199 |
| in cash by making birdhouses they didn't make, | 11 | 199 |
| cleaning homes they didn't clean. We had a gardener | 12 | 199 |
| in his early 20's made six grand a month as a | 13 | 199 |
| landscape engineer. That a suburban couple made money | 14 | 199 |
| renting out an apartment in their home of their | 15 | 199 |
| basement that they didn't have. | 16 | 199 |
| It's no surprise that borrowers, who are put | 17 | 199 |
| into products because of that kind of activity, | 18 | 199 |
| default because they can't afford the monthly | 19 | 199 |
| payments. The Minnesota legislation prohibits loans | 20 | 199 |
| based merely on a statement by the borrower of his | 21 | 199 |
| income or net worth. | 22 | 199 |
| Borrowers and lenders have to verify the | 23 | 199 |
| borrower's income and assets by reliable documents | 24 | 199 |
| like tax returns, payroll receipts or bank records. I | 25 | 199 |
| frankly think it should be a no-brainer for a lender | 1 | 200 |
| to verify in some way the income and assets on an | 2 | 200 |
| application, at least by looking at historical tax | 3 | 200 |
| returns, to make sure that the applicant has in the | 4 | 200 |
| past earned something in the ballpark of what they put | 5 | 200 |
| down on the application. | 6 | 200 |
| I'd encourage the Board to similarly look at | 7 | 200 |
| banning stated income loans in the subprime market. | 8 | 200 |
| With regard to borrowers' ability to repay, | 9 | 200 |
| far too many mortgage loans have been sold with little | 10 | 200 |
| or no regard to the borrowers' ability to repay the | 11 | 200 |
| loan with little or no underwriting. The Minnesota | 12 | 200 |
| legislation requires brokers and lenders to verify the | 13 | 200 |
| borrowers' ability to pay, not just the principal but | 14 | 200 |
| also the taxes, insurance and the like. The lender | 15 | 200 |
| must confirm that the borrower can repay not just the | 16 | 200 |
| initial payments but also the payments when the price | 17 | 200 |
| spikes occur. I would also urge the Board to adopt | 18 | 200 |
| similar regulations there. | 19 | 200 |
| In my state, we have banned prepayment | 20 | 200 |
| penalties for subprime mortgages, which can oftentimes | 21 | 200 |
| trap people into an unsuitable loan, because they | 22 | 200 |
| can't afford to pay the prepayment penalty. | 23 | 200 |
| The Minnesota legislation is a good step, | 24 | 200 |
| but we need the Board's help to fully address this | 25 | 200 |
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