Public Meeting Regarding Fleet Financial Group, Inc., and BankBoston Corporation
Wednesday, July 7, 1999
Open Forum
22 MS. SCHWARTZ: Well, I would like to 23 address my brothers and sisters from the federal 24 community. I'm with the U.S. Department of 25 Commerce, Minority Business Development Agency. I 0534 1 head the Boston District Office covering New England 2 and my brothers and sisters in the audience who are 3 left. 4 I had not originally planned to share 5 comments, because I had spoken at a community 6 hearing which Congressman Capuano and Senator 7 Wilkerson held at the Roxbury Community College. 8 But inasmuch as I reviewed the presentation agenda, 9 and because I was not absolutely sure that you would 10 incorporate the proceedings of that hearing within 11 your review, which I hope you will, I decided just 12 to share a few comments with you. 13 And this particularly responds to Pat 14 Cusick's comments about the sparsity of business- 15 related comments. So, as Bruce was here, Honorable 16 Bruce Bolling, and I and some other folks, we're 17 advocates in the sense that the business community 18 folks, as you know, are out there earning a living, 19 or trying to, so they might not have been here in 20 large numbers. 21 I want to thank you all for finally 22 scheduling this meeting, because it's very, very 23 important, and I have faith in your sensitivity and 24 openness to hear the comments that we all are 25 making. 0535 1 I would like to say, as you may or may not 2 know, that the Minority Business Development Agency 3 of the United States Department of Commerce is the 4 lead agency in the federal government for minority 5 business development. And we are committed, having 6 survived 30 years, to the development of economic 7 parity for the minority communities in this nation. 8 And therefore, looking at this request or 9 proposal that you're reviewing, to consider allowing 10 the creation of the eighth largest bank in the 11 country, we are particularly concerned that the 12 minority business community be allowed an 13 opportunity for capital access, and in whatever is 14 created, not only in this bank, but in other 15 institutions. 16 As you know very well, the impact of this 17 proposal goes far beyond the New England area, and 18 I'm sure you're aware of that. We've had some 19 testimony here from New York, New Jersey, and I 20 have -- I was away for a few hours, so I'm sure 21 there are other places that Fleet and BankBoston 22 impact. So that becomes very important. 23 I would like to call your attention, when 24 you review the proceedings of that hearing that was 25 held at Roxbury Community College, to the 0536 1 presentation by the district director of the Small 2 Business Administration for the Commonwealth of 3 Massachusetts. She really laid out some very 4 important figures in terms of business lending, 5 lending to small businesses, in the history of these 6 two banks, and I think you might want to review that 7 in your considerations. 8 Now, I would like to say that the 9 cooperative agreement which is being proposed 10 between the financial institution, as you may 11 approve it as it's proposed, and various community 12 groups, is to be considered and respected, and I 13 surely deeply respect the position of the community 14 groups. 15 I would like to point out, however, that 16 I'm aware that in Philadelphia a very large bank 17 acquired another bank, and there was a commitment 18 made to the community groups about the maintenance 19 of neighborhood branches, and as soon as that bank 20 proposal was approved by the regulatory agencies, 21 those bank branches were totally eliminated. At 22 least that's my information. 23 So what I'm really looking at is that it's 24 up to the Fed, if you'll forgive me using that 25 shorthand version, and the Department of Justice, 0537 1 the Oversight Committees of the Congress. I'm sure 2 you're aware from today's testimony and from other 3 things that our Congressional delegation in the 4 Commonwealth of Massachusetts is very concerned 5 about the outcome of this, and the fairness of it, 6 and I'm sure that's joined by Congressional people 7 who are involved in the banking committees from 8 across the country. 9 So I really think that the stipulations 10 that you would add on to any agreement to allow this 11 to happen that can be monitored by the regulatory 12 agencies would be extremely important, because of 13 the history of banks violating their commitments 14 that they've made to community groups. 15 I would also like to recommend to you very 16 strongly that you consider allowing the proposal of 17 the community-based banks such as Boston Bank of 18 Commerce to acquire a number of these branches. 19 As you know, I'm sure, over many, many 20 years, it's been the policy of the Federal 21 Government to nourish and support minority-owned 22 banks, and this would certainly be very important, 23 if you could create language in such a way to assure 24 that the community-based banks, as I say 25 particularly Boston Bank of Commerce, be allowed to 0538 1 acquire these targeted divested branches or proposed 2 divested branches. 3 I guess that I would conclude with that, 4 and we're all, I'm sure, quite exhausted. 5 I have heard the proposal here from at 6 least two or three people to recommend to you that 7 you consider extending the comment period to allow 8 the proposed merging banks to very closely and 9 definitively make a proposal that can be reviewed 10 and hopefully would be fair and then allow for 11 comment period. And I would like to support that, 12 if it's within the realm of your guidelines and 13 possibilities. 14 So I want to thank you for being willing to 15 listen to me. I want to thank you for what I, as I 16 say, trust will be the openness of your 17 considerations, and I would say good evening. 18 HEARING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 19 Do we have any other individuals who would 20 like to offer remarks? 21 Mr. Dennis Flynn? 22 MR. FLYNN: First I would like to apologize 23 to the Board for my opening statement. I would like 24 to thank all the panel members, not just the men 25 that are there. I just said "sir" at the beginning. 0539 1 I notice, going through the panel list, 2 that I seem to be the only veteran here. I'm not 3 representing a veterans' group. 4 I just happen to have had a transaction 5 with Fleet Bank which involved a secured government 6 mortgage product that they have. I was denied the 7 right to negotiate a favorable interest rate 8 according to the Veterans Administration guidelines. 9 Fleet Bank did not even take my application at the 10 time of the loan. My mortgage consisted of 11 approximately 40 pages that were faxed, and these 12 were faxed after the closing date. 13 In processing the VA mortgage, they 14 violated their own internal guidelines, according to 15 their own documents. They violated the Veterans 16 Administration's guidelines that I was to be allowed 17 to negotiate a favorable interest rate. And quite 18 possibly, they violated federal law, but I'm not a 19 lawyer, I'm just someone who is trying to get a 20 house on the GI bill. 21 As I say in the statement, I'm just one 22 veteran to went to Fleet back to get a loan under 23 the GI bill, but am I the only one that has had this 24 type of experience with the Fleet Bank? The Federal 25 Reserve, Veterans Administration and the veterans 0540 1 population will never know unless you gentlemen and 2 ladies take the time to send these concerns to the 3 proper authorities. 4 Fleet had assured me that we would close on 5 a certain date, and in the middle of the closing, my 6 mortgage loan officer disappeared and never called 7 me anymore, and I had to call down to Rhode Island 8 and find someone who would assist me, and that's 9 where the 40 pages of faxed documents came from. 10 They had nothing on me, we were past the closing 11 date, and they left me in a very, very difficult 12 position. 13 I'm not a banker, I'm not a lawyer, and I 14 trusted Fleet to do the right thing, to do what they 15 said they would. And it left my family and myself 16 in a very, very difficult position. I know that in 17 the age of deregulation there are less and less 18 people out there to regulate what the banks are 19 doing. 20 It's my concern that, from my experience, 21 Fleet is too big right now. I couldn't imagine it 22 getting any bigger and trying to negotiate the 23 things that I had to, to try to secure housing for 24 my family. 25 I would like to thank you for the time, and 0541 1 I think I am the last one. Thanks very much. 2 MR. ALVAREZ: Mr. Flynn, I have a question 3 for you. Do you know which of the Fleet entities 4 you filed your original application with? Was it 5 the Fleet Bank in Massachusetts? 6 MR. FLYNN: Yes, it was the Fleet Bank in 7 Worcester. I went through the Worcester office, and 8 then again none of the paperwork was ever filed with 9 the people in Rhode Island that needed to process 10 the loan. And, again, all my financial statements, 11 everything had to be faxed to the people that 12 processed the loan. 13 And the thing that troubled me and troubled 14 my family was, not once did the mortgage loan 15 officer call to say he was sorry that there was a 16 problem, that he ever called to apologize. 17 Thank you very much. 18 HEARING OFFICER SMITH: Anyone else? 19 (No response) 20 HEARING OFFICER SMITH: Well, I want to 21 express appreciation on behalf of the Federal 22 Reserve for all of those who remain and those who 23 were here before to offer their views as well as to 24 listen to the views of others. 25 This has been an important meeting. We 0542 1 have had discussion and have been able to ask 2 questions on a lot of significant issues, and you 3 can be assured that that this is information that 4 the Board will take into account as it makes its 5 analysis and reaches a determination on this 6 application. 7 I'll ask my fellow members if there is 8 anything you would like to add. 9 (No response) 10 HEARING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you all very 11 much, and we are adjourned. 12 (Whereupon the meeting was 13 adjourned at 9:30 p.m.) 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 0543 1 C E R T I F I C A T E 2 We, Anne H. Bohan and Carol H. Kusinitz, 3 Registered Professional Reporters, do hereby certify 4 that the foregoing transcript, Volume I, is a true 5 and accurate transcription of our stenographic notes 6 taken on July 7, 1999. 7 8 9 10 ________________________ 11 Anne H. Bohan, RMR 12 13 14 15 16 17 ________________________ 18 Carol H. Kusinitz, RPR 19 20 21 22 23 24 25