Public Meeting Transcripts
Public Hearing Regarding Bank of America Corporation, and FleetBoston Financial Corporation
Held on Wednesday, January 14, 2004, at the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston
Unedited Transcript
0001 1 Volume I Pages 1 - 423 2 3 FEDERAL RESERVE BOARD 4 Public Hearing Re 5 Application of Bank of America Corporation 6 To Acquire FleetBoston Financial Corporation 7 8 9 Before Federal Reserve Panal: 10 Dolores Smith, Presiding Officer Mac Alfriend 11 William McDonough Patricia Robinson 12 13 * * * * 14 15 Held at: 16 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston 600 Atlantic Avenue 17 Boston, Massachusetts Wednesday, January 14, 2004 18 8:30 a.m. 19 20 21 Jane M. Williamson Registered Merit Reporter 22 Carol H. Kusinitz Registered Professional Reporter 23 24 . 0002 1 P R O C E E D I N G S 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: I am pleased to 3 welcome you to this important public meeting on the 4 application by Bank of America Corporation to 5 acquire Fleet Financial Corporation. And I'll start 6 by introducing myself. 7 I'm Dolores Smith, the Division Director 8 for Consumer and Community Affairs at the Federal 9 Reserve Board in Washington, D.C. I'm the presiding 10 officer for this public meeting. And I want to 11 introduce our other panelists. 12 At the far end is Bill McDonough, who is 13 general counsel from the Federal Reserve Bank of 14 Boston. Next to him is Mac Alfriend, Senior Vice 15 President, Banking Supervision and Regulation from 16 the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond. And Pat 17 Robinson, Managing Senior Counsel, Legal Division, 18 from the Federal Reserve Board. 19 We are here today because Bank of America 20 Corporation, Charlotte, North Carolina, has applied 21 for approval to acquire FleetBoston Financial 22 Corporation, Boston, Massachusetts. 23 When the Federal Reserve system considers 24 one of these applications, we look at a number of . 0003 1 factors under the Bank Holding Company Act. These 2 include financial issues, managerial issues, 3 competitive issues and the convenience and needs of 4 the communities affected. 5 In doing so, we particularly look at the 6 record of performance of the parties under the 7 Community Reinvestment Act. The CRA requires the 8 board to take into account an institution's record 9 of meeting the credit needs of its entire community. 10 The purpose of the public meeting today is 11 to receive information regarding these factors. We 12 will be seeking to elicit this information and to 13 clarify factual issues related to the application. 14 We are really very pleased that so many witnesses 15 have been willing to come and testify at this public 16 meeting. We will have more than 100 groups and 17 individuals represented. 18 I'll make a few remarks about the 19 procedures. This is what we call an informal public 20 meeting. Members of the panel may ask those who are 21 testifying about their testimony. This is not a 22 formal administrative hearing, so we are not bound 23 by rules regarding evidence, cross examinations and 24 some of the formal trappings of that kind of . 0004 1 proceeding. And because we have so many witnesses, 2 we do need to stick to the schedule, so that 3 everyone who has asked to offer oral testimony will 4 have a chance to do so. We are going to ask the 5 witnesses today to be mindful of the needs of others 6 and to help us stay on schedule. 7 The panels of witnesses have been assigned 8 times and will be expected to stay within those 9 allotted times. We do have a signal system with 10 regard to timing. We have two timers at the table 11 here in front. And the timekeepers will be giving a 12 signal when the witness has one minute left to speak 13 and another signal when the time has expired. 14 There may be some individuals who were 15 unable to sign up in advance to offer testimony. To 16 the extent possible, we want to give them a chance 17 to speak as well. And so at the end of the meeting 18 today we will make the mic available to anyone who 19 would like to make a presentation, time-permitting. 20 One more comment about testimony. 21 Witnesses may submit a written supplement to their 22 oral testimony, but must do so by next Wednesday, 23 January 21st. And then the record will be closed. 24 Any written supplements should be directed to -- and . 0005 1 here I'm going to give information for the record -- 2 but the information also is available on a sheet 3 that is available out front at the registration 4 desk. So any written supplements should be directed 5 to Jennifer J. Johnson, Secretary of the Board of 6 Governors of the Federal Reserve, Washington, D.C. 7 They must be received by 5 p.m. eastern daylight 8 time on January 21st. You may also fax your 9 submission to 202-452-3462. 10 If you haven't turned in copies of your 11 written testimony or if you have any other written 12 statements to put into the record, please leave them 13 with the Federal Reserve staff at the registration 14 desk. It is important for us to get this material 15 for the record. 16 A paper copy of the official transcript of 17 the meeting will be available on Tuesday, January 18 20th, through the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston and 19 the Federal Reserve Board. In addition, the 20 official transcript will be available by close of 21 business on January 20th on the board's public 22 website. And here again I'll say the address, but 23 the information is available at the registration 24 table. The board's public website is . 0006 1 www.federalreserve.gov/events/public meetings/. 2 With that, we are ready to begin. I will 3 ask each of the panels to start by saying their name 4 and the name of their organization. 5 Mr. Lewis? 6 MR. LEWIS: My name is Ken Lewis. I'm the 7 CEO of Bank of America. 8 MR. GIFFORD: My name is Chad Gifford. I'm 9 CEO of Bank of Boston. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Proceed. 11 MR. GIFFORD: Good morning. Thank you, Ms. 12 Smith. My name is Chad Gifford. I'm chairman and 13 CEO Bank of Boston Financial. 14 I'm delighted to be joined by my new 15 partner, Ken Lewis of Bank of America. On behalf of 16 both of organizations, I'd like to begin by thanking 17 the Federal Reserve for inviting us to address the 18 proposed merger of our two institutions. We welcome 19 this opportunity to discuss some of the reasons 20 behind and benefits of this merger and why we 21 believe this merger is in the best interests of all 22 of our stakeholders -- customers, employees, and 23 communities, as well as our shareholders. 24 In the two months since we announced our . 0007 1 intention to combine our two organizations, we have 2 worked diligently and honestly to communicate openly 3 about what this merger will mean to the residents 4 and businesses located here in the northeast. 5 Many of our colleagues of Bank of America 6 and Fleet have collectively met with more than 150 7 community-based organizations across this region. 8 The team's mission has been to ensure that we 9 understand and continue to do our very best to meet 10 the needs of our communities. 11 This is certainly not a new scenario for 12 the region and particularly for New England, since 13 it was just over four years ago that I sat before 14 many of you here today to present the case for the 15 Fleet/BankBoston merger. At that time the level of 16 discussion was about preserving our Boston-based 17 institutions. Looking back at the questions that 18 particular deal raised, we believe the merger was 19 the right decision at the right time for our two 20 banks and for the local communities. 21 The rightness of that decision has been 22 playing out in what most of you is a very successful 23 melding of two powerful competitors into a singular 24 customer community and employee-focused institution. . 0008 1 The FleetBoston franchise brought to the region a 2 full range of community development efforts, most 3 notably through our $14.6 billion community 4 investment commitment. I'm proud to say that we are 5 entering this new relationship with Bank of America 6 having already surpassed this five-year commitment 7 in just four years. 8 To date, the lending and investment efforts 9 total $18.4 billion across the northeast. This has 10 been a truly bank-wide effort calling on the skills 11 and commitment of numerous businesses at Fleet. In 12 other words, we followed through on what we said we 13 would deliver. Incidentally, we are grateful for 14 the dedication of our community oversight committee, 15 a group of regional community leaders which has 16 faithfully met with us over these past four years to 17 provide feedback and community insights that helped 18 accelerate our results. 19 Through our efforts in the community, Fleet 20 received outstanding ratings from our chief 21 regulators, the OCC, in our last CRA exam, including 22 the overall rating as well as in each of the exam 23 categories of lending, investment and services. 24 Bank of America has also earned this . 0009 1 highest rating, as Ken will outline in a few 2 minutes. 3 Specifically in our community, impact has 4 been felt through, one, focus on our serving low and 5 moderate income neighborhoods through our Fleet 6 Community Bank. FCB is an absolute leader in the 7 nation in this effort. 8 Second, leadership and funding non-profits 9 that support economic activity, youth services and 10 arts and culture throughout the region with 11 approximately $25 million in charitable giving in 12 grants each year. 13 And finally, with the support of our 14 greatest assets, our own people, Fleet employees, 15 volunteers have contributed more than 120,000 hours 16 to community projects each year. 17 I'm proud of where our community's efforts 18 have taken us over these past four years, and I'm 19 proud of our employees and of the company we are 20 today. However, over these past four years the 21 stakes within the financial services industry have 22 gotten much higher. As successful and well 23 regarded, we believe, that the Fleet organization 24 has become, it is significantly more difficult to . 0010 1 survive solely on a regional level. 2 Recognizing this industry reality, my own 3 struggle internally centered on considering the 4 alternative. Preserving the hometown bank in our 5 region was a passionate and a very personal factor 6 for me. 7 I'm the son of a former New England banker 8 with deep roots in the financial services industry 9 in this region. I take it very seriously. But 10 doing what's best for our franchise, given the 11 realities of financial services, it became more 12 important than simply preserving the Boston base. 13 Thankfully we were in a position where we didn't 14 have to do a deal to survive. 15 We turned the corner on revenue, credit 16 quality, customer service and employee morale. We 17 could operate from a position of strength. We 18 therefore had the time to carefully consider a 19 partner that best matched our deeply-held values in 20 addition to business synergies. We also looked to 21 create the least amount of disruption and change for 22 our customers in our community and our own 23 employees. 24 In that line of thinking, let us digest one . 0011 1 national franchise, Bank of America. The benefits 2 that this merger with Bank of America present to the 3 region will allow for a secure economic future by 4 providing the financial depth and resources that 5 will meet the competitive challenges raised by 6 worldwide financial service consolidation. 7 Our excitement at the prospect of being 8 part of one of the most respected corporations in 9 the United States is palpable throughout Fleet. Our 10 people recognize the tremendous opportunities and 11 resources this merger will bring to our region and 12 to them personally and professionally. 13 I will tell you that a key component of our 14 agreement was the unprecedented commitment by Ken to 15 maintain Fleet's current employment level in New 16 England, as well as our charitable giving and 17 existing community commitments throughout the Fleet 18 region post-merger. But the rationale and benefits 19 of this proposed merger go much deeper. It creates 20 the second largest financial institution in the 21 United States; in fact, No. 1, when one looks at 22 only American assets. 23 The new organization, with increased size 24 and strength, will be in a position to achieve the . 0012 1 economies of scale that allow us to invest more in 2 technology, more in people and to develop superior 3 products, the best, and services, such as online 4 banking, brokerage and investment services. 5 This strengthened portfolio of products and 6 services ensures that we can match the increasingly 7 sophisticated needs and expectations of both 8 businesses and the consumers we serve. 9 My confidence in this agreement and its 10 benefits to local communities rests in the 11 tremendous synergies between the two entities and in 12 the areas that mean an awful lot to me personally, 13 including the shared commitment to community 14 development, philanthropy and volunteerism I 15 mentioned a moment ago. 16 Both Fleet and Bank of America view 17 community development very broadly as a strategic 18 opportunity. Our community investment efforts are 19 an integral part of our business strategy. Both 20 banks embrace the concept of diversity -- valuing 21 individuals of all races, gender, sexual orientation 22 as customers and employees. Each focus on employee 23 development and opportunity and holds the value of 24 inclusion among our highest priorities. . 0013 1 Due to our unique franchises, there is 2 little to no overlap in our retail distribution. 3 Therefore, there will be no disruption of service to 4 our customers due to divestiture of bank branches. 5 Additionally, and as I referenced earlier, we will 6 sustain total employment levels in New England and 7 will sustain our levels of customer-facing 8 employees, which again mean continuity in delivering 9 our products and services to our customers. 10 For those who are opposed to this merger 11 based on the grounds that our headquarters city in 12 our region will be losing their local focus, I point 13 to all that has been committed to date on behalf of 14 the merger to preserve in advance the needs of the 15 northeast in community development, philanthropy and 16 employment. 17 That point is further demonstrated in the 18 executive leadership that has been advanced to date 19 to manage the new company. Two of the most senior 20 executives of the new corporation will have national 21 responsibilities and yet be Boston-based; Brad 22 Warner in our premiere in small business and Brian 23 Moynihan in wealth and investment management. In 24 addition, two of my closest colleagues at Fleet, . 0014 1 Gene McQuade and Jay Sarles. Gene will be president 2 of the new corporation. Jay will be a very 3 important strategic advisor to Ken. 4 More specifically, in terms of maintaining 5 local leadership and decision-making for this 6 region, we were pleased to announce the appointment 7 earlier this month of Ann Finucane, as president of 8 the northeast. In this new role, Ann, well-known to 9 Boston, will oversee the development of a strategic 10 plan focused on a successful transition in the 11 northeast, as well as continued business success in 12 the region. She will ensure the cross-functional 13 coordination of the company's efforts in our 14 communities, including charitable giving 15 sponsorships, customer service issues, public 16 policy, government and media relations and other 17 strategic needs of the market. 18 Despite all the compelling advantages of 19 the merger, I have to admit this was the toughest 20 decision I have had to make personally here in my 21 career, but I also believe with increasing 22 conviction that this has been one of the very, very 23 best. I am personally committed to helping Ken and 24 our associates merge us into a company that indeed . 0015 1 does value employees, customers and the community. 2 Earlier I mentioned the size and strength 3 of our new company. It's compelling. But this is 4 much more than about size or quantity. It's about 5 quality as well. I have heard Ken state on many 6 occasions that he wants Bank of America to be the 7 most admired company in the world, not necessarily 8 the biggest, not only the most profitable, but the 9 most admired. This is a company with deeply-held 10 values and commitment, vibrancy and opportunity, and 11 I am very proud to be part of it. 12 In closing, let me thank each of you who 13 cared enough to come to offer your support and even 14 raise concerns about the significant transaction 15 before us. 16 And now I'm delighted to turn it over to my 17 new partner, Mr. Ken Lewis. 18 MR. LEWIS: Thanks, Chad. I appreciate 19 your comments about the Bank of America and the 20 bright future our companies and our communities 21 share. I could not agree with you more about the 22 assessment of where we stand and where we're headed 23 together. 24 I've talked a lot over the past two months . 0016 1 about the competitive and business rationale for 2 this merger and why I believe our new company will 3 be better positioned to serve our customers and our 4 shareholders. Chad covered some of this today, and 5 my thoughts are detailed in the public speeches I 6 made since we announced the merger. 7 Today's meeting, though, has a specific 8 purpose. I'd like to use my time here to address 9 that purpose directly. Today we're here to talk 10 about the effect the combination of our companies 11 will have on our communities and specifically those 12 in our communities who are most in need of 13 affordable, convenient access to financial services. 14 When I assumed the leadership of our 15 company three years ago, I set a simple, clear goal, 16 as Chad just mentioned. I said we will aspire to be 17 the most admired company in the world. Achieving 18 this goal requires that we set and achieve high 19 standards of performance for all of those who have a 20 stake in the company -- not only customers and 21 shareholders, but also the leaders, partners and 22 citizens with whom we work to make all of our 23 communities strong. 24 Our goal in any merger is to build a . 0017 1 business. This means that working with our new 2 teammates, we intend to lend more money, develop 3 more affordable housing, do more business with 4 minority suppliers, provide more charitable giving 5 and generally make a bigger difference in our 6 communities that a predecessor could have as an 7 independent institution. 8 Simply put, our goal is to be the most 9 admired, the most visible and most effective 10 financial institution in the communities where we do 11 business. 12 I'll respond directly to some of the 13 concerns we've heard from community partners in 14 regard to our planned merger, and I'll discuss my 15 company's accomplishments in community 16 development-related activities, as well as our plans 17 and goals in the following five areas: Community 18 development banking; philanthropy; access to 19 financial services for low- and moderate-income 20 customers; minority business development; and 21 community leadership and associate volunteerism. 22 In each area our approach is based on three 23 principles: One, national goals and corporate 24 values delivered and differentiated locally. Two, . 0018 1 proactive partnerships with local community-based 2 organizations to achieve shared goals. And three, 3 fully transparent reporting and strict 4 accountability. 5 By adhering to these principles, we are 6 striving to set the highest standards of performance 7 and accountability, not only for our industry, but 8 for the business community in our country. 9 As you know, Bank of America has a strong 10 and consistent record of achievement in community 11 development banking. We have achieved and 12 maintained outstanding CRA ratings throughout our 13 franchise for many years. We've been a leader in 14 our local markets. And we have consistently sought 15 out local community-based partners to help us 16 achieve our community development goals. 17 Consider some of our results: 18 In the five years since we began our 19 ten-year, $350 billion commitment to community 20 development lending and investing, we have loaned 21 and invested more than $230 billion in traditionally 22 underserved American communities. We said at the 23 time that the commitment represented a floor and not 24 a ceiling and our performance proves this point. . 0019 1 We are ahead of schedule and at our current 2 pace would exceed the $350 billion goal before the 3 eighth year of the ten-year commitment. This 4 performance -- in combination with our plan to merge 5 with Fleet -- is why we decided to set a new, even 6 more ambitious goal. 7 Last week we announced that starting in 8 2005, the new Bank of America will set a community 9 development lending goal of $750 billion over ten 10 years, once again setting a higher standard for 11 community development banking in our country. 12 In pursuing these goals, we have worked 13 with hundreds of community groups with shared values 14 and goals. Examples are our partnership with the 15 Enterprise Foundation, through which we've helped 16 create thousands of units of affordable multi-family 17 rental housing over the past 20 years; our 16-year 18 partnership with ACORN, with which we've financed 19 new homes for more than 23,000 families in 18 cities 20 over the past four years; our seven-year 21 relationship with Neighborhood Assistance 22 Corporation of America, with which we helped 2,300 23 families in 21 cities buy homes in 2002 alone, and 24 our most recent work with National Council of . 0020 1 LARASA, with which we have recently begun to work to 2 help Hispanic customers throughout the nation buy 3 their own homes. 4 We also maintain membership in the Federal 5 Home Loan Bank of Boston. 6 In addition to housing finance, we believe 7 small business lending is an important source of 8 economic support for underserved communities. We 9 have been ranked the number one SBA lender in the 10 country for the past two years, with almost 27 11 percent of all small business or small farm loans 12 made in low- and moderate-income census tracts. 13 In addition, we made 22 percent of all our 14 government-guaranteed loans to minority-owned 15 businesses and 24 percent of such loans to 16 businesses owned by women. 17 Now, even as we consistently set and exceed 18 ever-higher standards in community development and 19 even as we demonstrate a record of working with 20 community partners to achieve shared goals, there 21 are those who oppose this merger because we have not 22 signed CRA agreements or itemized our goals by 23 market or product. 24 I understand the passion these . 0021 1 organizations have for their communities. As I've 2 said, we share common goals. However, their desire 3 to receive the greatest financial support possible 4 for their individual causes or communities should 5 not overshadow the fact that our pledge -- the 6 largest of its kind ever -- is designed to benefit 7 all of our communities. 8 When we created this pledge, we projected 9 that about $100 billion of it would be deployed in 10 the northeast region of the country. But we decided 11 for good reasons not to itemize it by market. 12 Because community needs and circumstances are always 13 changing, we believe the best approach is a pledge 14 that establishes goals on a nationwide basis, yet it 15 is flexible so we can respond to capacity and demand 16 within each market. 17 We made the same case five years ago in 18 California, and our results are proof that our 19 approach works. The state of California represents 20 about 34 percent of all deposits at our company, and 21 over the past five years 35 percent of all our 22 community investment dollars have been deployed 23 there. 24 Our outstanding record of achievement, . 0022 1 accountability and public reporting of results 2 demonstrates that CRA agreements and itemized 3 commitments are unnecessary for our company. Our 4 goal is to leverage the power of our financial 5 strength and geographic reach to serve all of our 6 communities with the products, services and 7 resources they need, when and where they need them. 8 Philanthropic investment in our communities 9 has been an important part of our culture throughout 10 the history of our company. Contrary to what you 11 may have heard from some of our critics, 12 philanthropic giving at Bank of America is not 13 declining. Far from it. 14 In 2002 we gave more than $75 million. In 15 2003 we gave more than $81 million. In 2004 our 16 Foundation budget is $84 million. And this is cash. 17 Combined with Fleet's $25 million budget, we expect 18 to give at least $109 million to non-profit 19 organizations this year. Decisions about how to 20 deploy these funds will be made in accordance with 21 the priorities identified by local leaders, 22 following our philosophy of neighborhood excellence 23 in corporate giving. This simply means we believe 24 that local leaders are best able to identify the . 0023 1 needs of their neighborhoods, so we use a 2 grassroots, bottom-up funding strategy. 3 We think this record and the trend it 4 represents is impressive. But again, we have staked 5 ourselves out as the company that will set the 6 highest standards for American business. So we're 7 raising the bar. On the same day we announced our 8 new Community Development Lending Goal, we also 9 announced, for the first time ever, a goal for 10 philanthropy. $1.5 billion over ten years, starting 11 in 2005. This will make us the most generous 12 corporation in American by a wide margin. 13 With this pledge, our Foundation will be 14 better equipped than ever to work with our 15 businesses, our associates and our community 16 partners to support the vital programs and 17 organizations that make our communities strong. 18 In addition to our community development 19 and Foundation activities, we also work proactively 20 to ensure that we're providing affordable, 21 accessible products and services to all segments of 22 our communities. Consistently, Bank of America 23 originates more mortgage loans to minority borrowers 24 than any other mortgage lender. Also, Bank of . 0024 1 America originates a higher percentage of mortgage 2 loans to minority borrowers than most lenders. At 3 the end of 2002, 25 percent of our home loans were 4 made to minority customers, while the industry 5 average for all lenders is only 18.8 percent. 6 We also offer a basic checking product that 7 is well-suited to low- and moderate-income 8 customers: MyAccess Checking. This product features 9 a low opening deposit of $25, free checking with 10 direct deposit, no minimum balance, unlimited check 11 writing, free online banking with bill pay, a check 12 card with Photo Security option, and unlimited 13 access to funds using the our nationwide ATM 14 network, online banking and telephone banking. 15 We are also constantly working with 16 community groups to develop new, innovative products 17 specifically targeted to the needs of minority 18 individuals and communities. 19 About 15 years ago our company began to see 20 a great need to take affirmative steps to support 21 small, entrepreneurial companies owned by women and 22 minorities through our supplier procurement process. 23 We immediately put a team in place and rapidly 24 became one of the nation's leading practitioners of . 0025 1 supplier diversity. In fact, we've twice been named 2 Corporation of the Year by the Minority Supplier 3 Development Council. 4 Five years ago we added companies owned by 5 disabled people to the program and continued to 6 pursue our goals aggressively. We have a goal of 7 directing 15 percent of all supplier spending to 8 companies owned by women, minorities or the 9 disabled. In 2002 we spent $545 million with these 10 companies, representing 7 percent of overall 11 spending. 12 While final figures for last year are not 13 yet available, based on results of the third 14 quarter, we expect to have reached nearly 9 percent 15 in 2003. 16 Our Multicultural Supplier Development team 17 is working with a number of organizations and 18 agencies to increase the percentage spent with such 19 firms. We have hosted eight annual Supplier 20 Diversity Showcases in major markets to provide 21 vendors an opportunity to meet with our business 22 leaders. And we are also a member and strong 23 supporter of the National Minority Supplier 24 Development Council. . 0026 1 Finally, I'd like to take just a moment to 2 talk about one of the most important aspects of our 3 culture at Bank of America: community leadership and 4 associate volunteerism. 5 At the corporate level we provide 6 leadership to our communities by putting our 7 financial muscle behind important community 8 projects -- by advocating for a stronger CRA and by 9 working with local governments and community 10 organizations to achieve shared goals. At the local 11 level, we encourage all of our associates to provide 12 leadership to their communities, sharing their 13 personal talents and professional skills with the 14 public and private organizations that form the 15 foundation of community life. 16 We also have a strong culture of associate 17 volunteerism. Associate volunteers receive two 18 hours of paid time off every week to work in a 19 school of their choice -- a program that has the 20 potential to generate up to 6 million volunteer 21 hours for our nation's schools each year. Team Bank 22 of America supports local councils within the bank 23 that identify volunteer opportunities for 24 associates -- and a Volunteer Grants program offers . 0027 1 cash grants in an associate's name to organizations 2 at which associates volunteer. 3 Like any successful business, we understand 4 that our associates are our most precious 5 resource -- not just for our customers, but for our 6 communities as well. 7 In conclusion, we believe this merger 8 raises no concerns under federal or state law, and 9 we urge the Board to swiftly approve our 10 application. Both banks are well-managed and 11 well-capitalized, and our new company will continue 12 to be so upon completion of the merger. Both banks 13 have strong records under the Community Reinvestment 14 Act. The merger does not pose any antitrust 15 concerns and will not result in any merger-related 16 branch closures. The surviving company will hold 17 9.94 percent of the nation's deposits, less than the 18 federal cap on deposits held by one institution. 19 To date, the Board has received hundreds of 20 letters expressing support for the merger, while 21 less than a third of the letters received by the 22 Board have expressed opposition to the merger. The 23 supportive letters have been sent by community 24 development corporations, state and local . 0028 1 governmental agencies, business and civic 2 organizations, cultural, philanthropic, educational 3 and religious organizations, and customers from 4 across both banks' franchises. Each tells a 5 different story about the positive difference we 6 have made in the communities where we do business. 7 As I said at the beginning of my remarks, 8 our goal at Bank of America is to become the world's 9 most admired company in the eyes of all our 10 stakeholders -- customers, shareholders, associates, 11 community partners and the general public. We are 12 pursuing this goal by setting and achieving higher 13 standards every day in all we do. Leveraging all 14 the parts of our company to support our communities 15 is a fundamental part of our culture and the way we 16 do business. It's essential to the future health of 17 our company. Most important, it's simply the right 18 thing to do. 19 This has been our history, and the proof is 20 in the public record of our performance. It also 21 will be our future, as expressed in the new goals we 22 have set in community development, philanthropic 23 giving, business performance and service to our 24 customers. . 0029 1 I look forward to working with all of our 2 community partners in the Northeast and across the 3 nation as we pursue our common goals. And I look 4 forward to all we'll accomplish together for our 5 communities and for our country. 6 Thank you. 7 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Questions from 8 the panel? 9 MS. ROBINSON: I have a question. How and 10 where do you plan to administer your CRA programs in 11 the region where FleetBoston is located? 12 MR. LEWIS: You said, how do we plan to 13 administrate? 14 MS. ROBINSON: Right. How and where. 15 MR. LEWIS: Every region -- first, there's 16 a national organization and then subsequently 17 there's local teams and a foundation by which we 18 fundamentally -- there are a group of people who 19 would actually carry out the activities and then of 20 course make sure that the records are appropriate, 21 so that we can consolidate them on a national basis 22 for you in your assessment of how we do or the OCC. 23 And so it's both a national organization, but 24 delivered locally and sublevels of administration . 0030 1 done. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Any other 3 questions? 4 (No response) 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 6 much. 7 Welcome, Mr. Congressman. 8 MR. FRANK: Thank you. 9 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Start by 10 identifying yourself for the record. 11 MR. FRANK: My name is Barney Frank. I am a 12 member of the United States House of 13 Representatives, representing the Fourth 14 Congressional District of Massachusetts, which 15 starts about three miles from here. And I serve as 16 the senior democrat on the Committee on Financial 17 Services. 18 I want to note by saying at the beginning 19 I've been in touch with a number of my congressional 20 colleagues. My colleague, Mr. Capuano, was at a 21 press conference with me yesterday. I know Mr. 22 Lynch, who represents the place where I was sitting, 23 Mr. McGovern has spoken, and in fact, I appreciate 24 the fact by having this hearing, which is not . 0031 1 automatic. And all of the members of the 2 congressional delegation through the Massachusetts 3 House Senate did write to the Federal Reserve to ask 4 for this hearing, and I appreciate its being 5 granted. 6 I want to begin by some general comments 7 before getting to my specific ones. And they 8 probably deal with what we've said. I want to begin 9 by mentioning something that he didn't say, but some 10 of us have been asked, "Well, what's the 11 justification for going to this bank, this private 12 corporation owned by stockholders, and making these 13 requests, demands, et cetera?" And I think we 14 should be very clear about that. 15 The banking system in America exists in 16 part because of governmental assistance. It's a 17 private sector operation. And the purpose should be 18 to make a profit. I believe in the free market. 19 And I think the way the free market works is the way 20 in which we generate prosperity. But we haven't 21 decided to have an unrestricted market. 22 For example, one of the reasons that people 23 put their money into banks is the existence of 24 Federal Deposit Insurance. The Federal Deposit . 0032 1 Insurance system is a very significant example of 2 government assistance to the banking system. 3 The Community Reinvestment Act is specific 4 in its intent. 5 It says that when a financial institution 6 takes advantage of the various federal rules and 7 goes into a particular community and provides this 8 financial intermediary function, there is some 9 obligation to make sure that the community in which 10 the money is raised is beneficiary, because 11 theoretically you could have a situation in which 12 money was put in and simply taken out. And it is a 13 somewhat local statute. 14 Now, there is some suggestion from time to 15 time that we're being too parochial, and I must say 16 that in some of the conversations I've had in 17 requesting that some specific commitments be made, 18 I've gotten the impression that my intervention was 19 not entirely welcome. I don't take that personally. 20 I am used to not being always welcome in various 21 venues. It sort of goes with the job. 22 But I do want to give why I think there is 23 justification for some localism. It's not simply 24 that money is raised in the community. I spent much . 0033 1 of last year at the request of, among other 2 institutions, Fleet and Bank of America working on 3 legislation which in the end said to every state in 4 this country, You may not pass legislation that 5 regulates the granting of credit to individuals, 6 because overwhelmingly the financial institutions of 7 this country said to us we cannot have states making 8 their own choices with regard to consumer protection 9 in this field. 10 We understand that consumer protection is 11 important, but we need to have a national system. 12 So I participated, and we passed a national law 13 which preempts state law. The State of 14 Massachusetts by the law we passed cannot do certain 15 things it might wanted to have done with regard to 16 protecting consumers, with regard to identity theft 17 and the granting of credit, et cetera. In return, I 18 believe we got very significant consumer protection. 19 But the point is this: I do not think 20 institutions can tell us on one hand that at the 21 federal level we should pass legislation that 22 restricts what local governments can do, but then 23 tell the federal government that we should not then 24 intervene to try to be an advocate for local . 0034 1 interest to make some of their own decisions here. 2 I think given the logic of a technological 3 economy today, that makes sense, but I think it also 4 justifies some local concerns. So I want to be 5 clear. We are talking here not about this 6 gratuitous intrusion on this purely private entity; 7 but rather, we are talking about an entity which 8 performs an enormously important service, which does 9 its job very well, which plays a very important role 10 in our capitalistic economy, which serves us very 11 well, but which benefits from Federal Deposit 12 Insurance, which benefits from a federal law that 13 preempts states from making some of their own 14 consumer protection laws. This is an inter-mixed 15 system. And I say that because -- and I don't mean 16 to address this to the people here in my dealings 17 with the people at Fleet and Bank of Boston. I have 18 not found this to be their attitude. I don't mean 19 to impute it to them. I don't mean to impute it to 20 Bank of America. I haven't had great dealings with 21 the Bank of America yet. 22 But there is an argument that essentially 23 becomes very one-sided. It says that what the 24 government should do is, in fact, to protect the . 0035 1 interests of the financial institutions -- by the 2 way, in addition to what I've talked about, we 3 passed a bill this year that allows financial 4 institutions, banks, to send only copies of checks. 5 We have given relief to banks -- it's called "check 6 truncation," which is very important to the Feds. 7 To use a technical term, you used to have to schlep 8 a lot of checks around, and you wouldn't have 9 to do that anymore. And so we passed a law. And 10 now you don't automatically get your checks. You 11 can get copies of your checks. 12 We've done other things to facilitate this. 13 We are endangering America here -- and I really want 14 to set this in context, because again, we have 15 people acting as if this is somehow some intrusion 16 on or exception to what should be the free 17 enterprise system. As I said, I'm a great believer 18 in capitalism. I think it works very well. The 19 rest of the world, where that has not been 20 discovered, is discovering it. And the essential 21 element in capitalism is inequality. We should 22 understand that if you are a believer in the free 23 market, you are a believer that inequality is an 24 important part of the system. Because if people are . 0036 1 not rewarded unequally, then the system does not 2 work. 3 I also believe, however, that left entirely 4 to its own, our capitalist system will produce more 5 inequality than is necessary for maximum efficiency. 6 And the Community Reinvestment Act in this 7 proceeding is one way in which we seek to diminish 8 inequality -- not abolish it -- diminish it, and 9 diminish it in a way that I do not think will in any 10 way interfere with the efficiency of the market 11 system. 12 So that's the context in which we are 13 operating. It's a context in which banks receive 14 benefits from the federal government, receive 15 protection from the federal government, deposit 16 insurance, legislation that will improve the 17 efficiency. Indeed, over the past few years there 18 have been a number of laws that have helped banks. 19 When I got to Congress, there were very 20 great restrictions on the ability of banks to branch 21 to different states. There were very severe 22 restrictions on the ability of banks to get into the 23 securities business and vice versa. 24 When I first got there, many institutions . 0037 1 resisted the banks being able to do that. 2 You said two minutes. I thought I had more 3 than that. What's my time obligation? 4 TIME KEEPER: Ten. 5 MR. FRANK: Now let me get specific. When 6 I approached the banks, I asked for some specific 7 commitments here in Massachusetts. And here's where 8 I will take issue with Mr. Lewis on two grounds. 9 First of all -- and partly it's the 10 statute. I am pleased to learn of past performance, 11 but I think it is legitimate also to be more future 12 oriented. 13 Now, I have to say I think there's a flaw 14 in the Community Reinvestment Act here. The 15 Community Reinvestment Act does not, I think, 16 empower the regulators enough to look at things. 17 The Community Reinvestment Act comes into play here 18 for a very specific reason. No one thinks that it 19 would be a good idea regularly to revoke charters to 20 financial institutions because they failed the 21 Community Reinvestment Act obligations. It would be 22 very disruptive. It is unlikely to be done. And I 23 must say with all due respect, the Fed is 24 particularly unlikely to do it. The notion that . 0038 1 you're going to go and revoke charters because 2 people didn't do enough for poor people is a harder 3 one to accept than some others with which I have to 4 live with from time to time. 5 But when a decision has to be made to go 6 forward, that's when the Community Reinvestment Act 7 ought to be coming into play. 8 Secondly, I am glad to know about national 9 activity, but it's the Community Reinvestment Act. 10 And it's particularly important here because this is 11 a unique moment. The last major financial 12 institution rooted here in Boston, in New England, 13 is about to be bought up by people outside. That 14 means that national commitments won't work. We need 15 to have some fairly specific commitments. 16 Now, I'm glad to know that some of them 17 have been made; staying in the Federal Home Loan 18 Bank system's affordable housing program, cashing 19 out part of the Mass. Housing partnership, agreeing 20 with Mass. affordable housing. 21 A week ago I would have been here asking 22 you to reject this because of a lack of specificity. 23 I'm not doing that today. I wish I could be more 24 enthusiastic, but I have moved from opposition to . 0039 1 saying it's incomplete. And I know we will have 2 more work to do. 3 So I just want to close by saying this: 4 We've been told we're going to make some specific 5 commitments further on. I do want to stress again 6 that I disagree with the suggestion that it's 7 somehow inappropriate to look for state-specific and 8 community-specific rules. I think that violates the 9 spirit of the Community Reinvestment Act. 10 And all I can say is this: I expect if 11 this is approved -- and I would not bet heavily 12 against that prospect -- as a member of the 13 Financial Services Committee, it will be my 14 intention to talk to the chairman of that committee. 15 And about seven or eight months from now, after 16 we've had a chance to get further, after the 17 November elections, to have a hearing here of the 18 Financial Services Subcommittee, in which we could, 19 several of us, review the progress that has been 20 made, both with regard to the specifics of this 21 merger and because I think this is the time to take 22 a look at the Community Reinvestment Act. 23 Thank you for your time. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very . 0040 1 much. We have Panel No. 2. And you each have three 2 minutes. I just want to remind you we have the 3 timer, who will give you the signal when you have 4 two minutes left, mainly to let you know how quickly 5 one minute goes. And then when you have one minute 6 and then when your time has expired, if you're in 7 the middle of a sentence when the time has expired, 8 please finish, but make it a shortening. 9 I'd like for you to start by giving your 10 name and the name of your organization, if you're 11 representing one. And then just to remind you that 12 if you have written testimony, either present it to 13 our registration folks or submit it. You may submit 14 comments by a week from today, close of business 15 information at the registration table. 16 If you will start, Mr. Kriesberg. 17 MR. KRIESBERG: Good morning. My name is 18 Joseph Kriesberg. I'm the president of the 19 Massachusetts Association of CDCs, and I have two 20 minutes left now. 21 We appreciate that the Federal Reserve is 22 having this hearing, and we think it's very 23 important because Massachusetts is not North 24 Carolina and it's not California. And it's not just . 0041 1 that the weather is different here. I'm surprised 2 that you still want to buy this bank, given today's 3 weather, but it's because we have our own 4 Massachusetts state community reinvestment law that 5 must be conformed with. And that law does require 6 the banks to show a net benefit to this merger going 7 forward. 8 And so it's a very different situation than 9 I believe any other state, but certainly most other 10 states. And that is why from the beginning we have 11 asked Bank of America to do what Fleet and Citizens 12 and Sovereign and all the major banks have done in 13 the past decade, which is to lay out their plans 14 going forward for community investment in 15 Massachusetts. 16 And I am pleased to say that after a couple 17 of months of uncertainty about that, the bank has 18 agreed to adopt a business strategy for 19 Massachusetts and to make that available to the 20 public and to work with us in putting that together. 21 And we have made some progress on that, some of the 22 things that Congressman Frank mentioned. But we 23 think that there is a lot of work that has yet to be 24 done. And until such time that it is done, we would . 0042 1 encourage the Fed not to improve the merger. 2 Some of the things involve money, 3 obviously -- lending, investments and so forth -- 4 and very much fit within the $750 billion national 5 commitment. But it isn't just about dollars and big 6 dollars. That commitment tells us that Bank of 7 America is a very large institution, and we already 8 knew that. 9 Some of the things that are most important 10 don't involve dollars at all. They involve the 11 availability of branches in low income areas, the 12 availability of low cost checking accounts, like the 13 basic banking account here in Massachusetts. 14 Sometimes we want less dollars, not more. 15 We want small business loans, not big business 16 loans. And so sometimes what we're looking for is 17 for the bank to make smaller loans which may result 18 in a lower total dollar amount, but more impact. So 19 we think there's still a lot of work to be done in 20 terms of figuring out how this is going to affect 21 Massachusetts and my colleagues. My board members 22 and members that are here with me today are going to 23 talk a little bit more about our experience in the 24 communities in Massachusetts and the needs that we . 0043 1 have -- the credit and capital needs that we have in 2 our communities. 3 Thank you. 4 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Ms. Lattimore? 5 MS. LATTIMORE: I'm going to read from my 6 testimony. My name is Gail Lattimore. I'm the 7 Executive Director of the Codman Square Neighborhood 8 Development Corporation, also known as "NDC." 9 The NDC is a non-profit community 10 development corporation located in the South 11 Dorchester neighborhood of Boston. 12 Our mission is to stabilize our inner-city 13 service area, on behalf of the 50,000 plus primarily 14 low and moderate-income residents, by implementing 15 initiatives that focus on real estate development, 16 assets and wealth-building and community planning 17 and organizing. 18 Over the past 23 years we developed over 19 600 units of affordable housing, 50,000 square feet 20 of commercial space, and have supported the 21 strengthening of a large number of civic and block 22 associations and small businesses. 23 Our accomplishments are due in no small way 24 to the impact of resources available through our . 0044 1 advocacy around and involvement in key community 2 reinvestment issues. 3 As has been the case nationally, over the 4 past decade or more there have been a number of 5 mergers and acquisitions of locally-based banks in 6 New England. As a member of the Massachusetts 7 Association of Community Development Corporation, 8 the Codman Square Neighborhood Development Corp. has 9 worked, as these transitions occurred, to ensure the 10 strong community investment plans which positively 11 impact community development needs in low and 12 moderate income neighborhoods are put in place. I 13 want to speak a little bit about our past experience 14 with Fleet in this regard and then talk about some 15 of the concerns we have going forward around this 16 particular acquisition. 17 Fleet's early track record in our 18 neighborhood raised some significant concerns. In 19 the early to mid 1990s certain census tracts in the 20 Codman Square area experienced the highest rate of 21 home foreclosures than any other area of Boston. 22 Upon investigation of this troubling 23 situation, the Codman Square NDC discovered, among 24 other things, that unscrupulous speculators were . 0045 1 flipping dilapidated homes to unsuspecting and 2 unprepared low/moderate income homebuyers at well 3 above market sale prices. These sales prices were 4 supported by questionable bank appraisals. Fleet 5 Bank was the investor in a number of these loans. 6 Around this same time, Fleet was involved 7 in acquiring Bank of Boston. The development of a 8 local community investment plan was key to the 9 Codman Square NDC's ability to resolve this issue. 10 It was within this context an environment that the 11 Codman Square NDC was able to negotiate with Fleet 12 to address concerns related to Fleet's home mortgage 13 lending operations and practices in our service 14 area. 15 Based on Fleet's track record in our 16 community, prior to these negotiations, the Codman 17 Square's NDC Board's policy was to not do business 18 with Fleet. Since these early days, things have 19 evolved more positively. With the Fleet/BankBoston 20 merger and the development of a responsive local 21 community investment plan and Fleet's apparent 22 embracing of the First Community BankBoston 23 approaches to community development lending and 24 support, those working within the community . 0046 1 development field have seen increasing partnerships 2 with Fleet. The Codman Square NDC is currently 3 working with Fleet as a lending partner on the 4 development of 26 units of affordable housing with 5 the prospects of partnering to develop an additional 6 50 units within the next year. This progress has to 7 continue and be further strengthened with Bank of 8 America's acquisition of Fleet. 9 A local community investment plan is 10 required to continue this progress. The strong 11 existing network of community development 12 corporations and other such groups in Massachusetts 13 that understand and have successfully advocated for 14 the financial and community development needs of our 15 communities stands ready to continue to work with 16 Bank of America on this plan. The Codman Square NDC 17 urges you to condition Bank of America's acquisition 18 of Fleet Bank on the development of such a plan so 19 that we don't lose the significant progress that 20 we've made with Fleet, as it is incorporated into 21 the Bank of America. 22 Thank you for allowing me to testify. 23 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 24 MR. THAL: Good morning. My name is . 0047 1 Richard Thal. I'm Executive Director of the Jamaica 2 Plain Neighborhood Development Corporation. 3 Like a lot of inner-city neighborhoods, our 4 community for many years suffered the effects of 5 disinvestment. In fact, some of the first 6 organizing efforts in this Commonwealth were 7 undertaken by residents of our community in response 8 to the systematic disinvestment in neighborhoods 9 similar to ours. 10 I'm happy to say, however, that especially 11 over the last ten years or so, we have seen a lot of 12 improvements. And Fleet and its predecessor 13 entities have played an important role in some of 14 the changes that we've seen and some of the 15 investments that they've made, whether it's in 16 affordable housing cooperatives for low income 17 families -- the first major supermarket to come back 18 into the inner city in about 15 years in Boston that 19 Fleet was a major investor in, the creation of 20 opportunities for first-time home buyers on 21 long-abandoned sites. And we are starting to see 22 over the last few years -- though the progress has 23 been slower -- starting to see progress in an area 24 that is very important to us, which is the lending . 0048 1 activities with small businesses. 2 We have the largest Latino business 3 district in New England with over 100 businesses in 4 our main area, over 80 percent of whom are owned by 5 Latino individuals and families. And the process of 6 improvement and openness to that market has been 7 slow. 8 I'm happy to say that where a few years ago 9 there was almost no opening and very little activity 10 with the entrepreneurs in our neighborhood, that 11 that has slowly been changing. And that's a 12 positive development, but we certainly are very 13 concerned -- and especially looking at some of the 14 larger statewide and regional numbers of some of the 15 small business lending that Fleet has been involved 16 in and Bank of America, as it enters this market, we 17 feel that that emphasizes the need for a very 18 specific plan with specific targeted goals, so that 19 those low income business owners and people of 20 color, who are so important to our community, have 21 the opportunities that they need to move forward. 22 Thank you. 23 MS. VAN CAMPEN: Good morning. My name is 24 Jennifer Van Campen, and I'm the Executive Director . 0049 1 of the Waltham Alliance to Create Housing, a 2 community development corporation in Waltham, 3 Massachusetts. 4 Waltham is a suburban community, but we 5 still have poor people. WATCH serves about 350 low 6 and moderate income individuals and families each 7 year, but there are over 19,000 families in Waltham 8 who are eligible for affordable housing. There are 9 over 8,000 low-wage workers in Waltham looking for 10 better jobs. And there are over 2,000 recent 11 immigrants looking for English classes. WATCH needs 12 to help more families in the coming years, not less. 13 We need to make sure that the Fleet/Bank of America 14 merger adds up to more, not less for our 15 communities. 16 Fleet has been a strong partner of WATCH's 17 over the last few years. Fleet's small business 18 products have met several of our company's needs 19 while their charitable donations have launched 20 several new initiatives in Waltham. Fleet is a 21 major employer in Waltham and has lent volunteers to 22 several of our projects and programs. Our 23 job-training program has placed several people in 24 Fleet's branches. A recent Fleet donation has . 0050 1 helped position us to acquire a 10-unit residential 2 property. We have come to rely on Fleet. Will we 3 have the same partner in Bank of America? Without a 4 specific commitment to our cities and towns, how can 5 we be sure that this merger will help and not hurt 6 our efforts? 7 Banks will merge and local control will 8 evaporate. Banks will become fewer and power will 9 consolidate in far-away places. But we don't have 10 to accept less. If huge national banks are the 11 trend, then let state-by-state plans be the trend, 12 too. If banks can announce huge national plans, let 13 them announce detailed local plans, too. They're 14 smart. They can do both. Thank you. 15 MR. VAN METER: Thank you for the 16 opportunity to testify today. My name is Bob Van 17 Meter. I'm the Executive Director of the 18 Allston-Brighton Community Development Corporation 19 which serves Allston-Brighton, the western-most 20 neighborhood in the city of Boston with 70,000 21 residents. I'm an MACDC board member and support 22 the overall goals articulated by Joe Kriesberg, our 23 president. 24 I'm here to speak about the variety of . 0051 1 community development activities and initiatives 2 that Fleet Bank is now engaged with in our community 3 and how important it is that these initiatives 4 continue in the future here in Massachusetts. As my 5 colleagues have stated, community reinvestment is 6 about communities and requires specific plans and 7 goals in local communities and perhaps even more 8 importantly, locally accessible and accountable 9 people to undertake the work. 10 Just five weeks ago we broke ground on 50 11 affordable new homes in our community. Fleet Bank 12 is providing a construction loan of over $7 million 13 for that development, and we've been delighted to 14 work with knowledgeable and creative staff in the 15 Fleet lending group who have been of great 16 assistance in moving the project further. Fleet 17 provided a technical assistance grant to the project 18 during the predevelopment period, which was also 19 very helpful. 20 Our CDC offers education and counseling for 21 first-time homebuyers, and Fleet has been a partner 22 in our first-time homebuyer program over the last 23 five years. Over 40 graduates of our classes have 24 bought homes with mortgages from Fleet Bank over the . 0052 1 last five years. Fleet's support of the SoftSecond 2 Program continues to be very important to our 3 homebuyers. 4 We're part of a collaborative of ten 5 community development corporations here in Boston 6 called the Community Business Network, which 7 provides technical assistance to small businesses. 8 Fleet has supported the Community Business Network 9 with philanthropic grants and Fleet staff has served 10 on an advisory committee for the Community Business 11 Network and on the loan committee for one of our 12 member CDCs. 13 Our CDC, the Allston-Brighton CDC, is 14 pioneered in creating individual development 15 accounts or matched savings accounts to help low 16 income people build assets. Fleet has worked very 17 hard with us over the last two years as we have 18 tested the development of a new model of account 19 management for individual development accounts. 20 With Fleet's support and the support of another 21 organization, Doorways to Dreams, 17 individuals 22 have saved for the last 18 months and are making 23 their savings deposits and managing their accounts 24 electronically. It is our collective hope that this . 0053 1 will be an important innovation which will help make 2 individual development accounts accessible on a 3 broad scale. Fleet staff committed many hours to 4 the technical and other challenges involved in a new 5 banking product. 6 Fleet has also supported the development of 7 a statewide collaborative of community-based 8 organizations of which we are the lead agency, the 9 Massachusetts Individual Development Account 10 Solutions collaborative, which is promoting best 11 practices and training in building IDA programs. 12 Fleet's philanthropy has been consistent 13 and Fleet's philanthropy staff has been accessible 14 and knowledgeable about the issues facing Boston and 15 Massachusetts, taking the time to listen and learn 16 and to challenge us to think about new ideas as 17 well. 18 Finally, I'd like to add on a similar note 19 to my colleague, Jennifer Van Campen, the 20 Allston-Brighton neighborhood, like many Boston 21 neighborhoods, has experienced rapidly rising rents 22 and prices of homes and condominiums. Despite this, 23 there is a substantial population of low and 24 moderate income people. It's important that . 0054 1 community reinvestment and community development 2 efforts support strategies to maintain diversities 3 in these communities, as well as meeting the needs 4 of low income communities. 5 Thank you. 6 MR. WAITE: Good morning. My name is John 7 Waite. I'm the Executive Director of the Franklin 8 County Community Development Corporation located in 9 Greenfield, Massachusetts, which is the western part 10 of Massachusetts. 11 I'm attending this public meeting, and I'm 12 making a statement on behalf of my Board of 13 Directors, who represent people from 26 towns in 14 rural Franklin County. I am also on the Board of 15 Directors of the Mass. Association of CDCs. I 16 represent some 68 members as well. 17 The Franklin County CDC has been involved 18 in community economic development for more than 25 19 years. We have a lending program, a small business 20 incubator and a technical assistance program. 21 Fleet has provided us with funding for our 22 technical assistance program for the past year and a 23 half, and we are very grateful for its financial 24 support. And we believe it's been made possible . 0055 1 because Fleet understands western Mass. and they 2 know about our programs. They have a staff person 3 out in Springfield. 4 We are concerned that Bank of America will 5 not have the local community presence, knowledge and 6 decision-making to effectively work with 7 organizations like ours, who work with low and 8 moderate income people that have few, if any, other 9 options to start to improve the business. 10 We are concerned that Bank of America will 11 close branches in rural areas that have smaller 12 populations and in areas with low income residence. 13 In Franklin County we are lucky to still have two 14 local banks and one regional banks that have not 15 disappeared in all these mega-mergers. However, 16 many rural and low-income areas have lost their 17 local banks and branches due to the consolidations, 18 and the residents depend on the services from the 19 branches that do remain. 20 I wrote this statement actually two days 21 ago. This morning driving in I heard on the news 22 that our regional bank has actually just requested 23 to close the Conway branch, which is one of the 24 smaller towns in Franklin County. This town has had . 0056 1 a bank -- at least a branch since 1854. So for 150 2 years they've had a bank located in this rural area 3 of western Massachusetts and now they're going to 4 lose it. This is just a result and this is one of 5 the things that we're most concerned about when 6 these large banks move in. 7 We're also concerned that Bank of America 8 will not address the needs of small businesses. 9 Fleet has done a decent job of providing these loans 10 under $100,000 and to businesses with annual 11 revenues under a million dollars. We would expect 12 Bank of America to establish aggressive goals for 13 the percentage of these types of loans as well. 14 In addition, we would want Bank of America 15 to employ a second look program for its small 16 business loans, which means that the applicants will 17 be looked at individually and not just put through 18 some computer-based assessment process. Bank of 19 America should also refer declined loans to 20 technical assistance programs and non-traditional 21 lenders such as ourselves where appropriate. And as 22 earlier, Bank of America should continue to expand 23 on Fleet's contracts with community-based 24 organizations that provide technical assistance. . 0057 1 We do not support this acquisition because 2 it will take ownership and control even further away 3 from our community, which is contrary to our 4 organization's mission statement, which says we 5 strive to maximize community control over our 6 economic destiny. 7 In closing, I want to tell you that in our 8 business technical assistance program we teach 9 business people about the triple bottom line -- 10 social and environmental as well as economic. We 11 ask that Bank of America develop a meaningful plan 12 and be held accountable as a socially responsible 13 business. 14 Thank you very much. 15 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you all 16 very much. Do we have questions from the panel? 17 (No response) 18 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We are ready to 19 start with the panel. And we are a little bit ahead 20 of schedule, so we can give them four minutes each. 21 If you are reading your comments, if you would try 22 to sort of glance toward the time-keeper 23 periodically. So with that, we're ready to start 24 with Mr. Sanchez. . 0058 1 MR. SANCHEZ: Good morning. My name is 2 Jeffrey Sanchez. I'm the state representative for 3 the 15th Suffolk District. That includes the areas 4 of Jamaica Plain, Roxbury, Mission Hill, Brookline. 5 Thank you for this opportunity to come 6 before you today to testify regarding this merger. 7 I am also someone who has actually lived through 8 mergers myself. I worked in the California banking 9 system and have seen a great deal in a span of about 10 five years at the time that I was there in 11 California. 12 While at times mergers can be good for 13 particular communities, at times there's a lot 14 that's left unclear. And I think that that's the 15 case right now. I know that there's been certain -- 16 there has been certain discussion that Bank of 17 America has worked with a few people within 18 particular segments of the community. But I think 19 given the breadth of this merger, it behooves them 20 to continue to work with cross-sections of the 21 communities throughout the Commonwealth. 22 FleetBoston has worked diligently in terms 23 of working with particular communities. And I think 24 that there were certain commitments that were made . 0059 1 to communities that still haven't necessarily shown 2 total fruition right now in terms of the outcomes. 3 And I think that given that, we still need to make 4 sure that the Fleet/Bank of America merger respects 5 a number of those commitments that were made in the 6 previous merger with Fleet and BankBoston. 7 I'm aware that Bank of America has a 8 history of making few or small business loans under 9 $100,000 in smaller institutions, and I think it's a 10 concern because we have such a great number of 11 microenterprise within our communities. While small 12 business is definitely a priority, microenterprise 13 makes up our small business communities in our main 14 streets districts, and we would like a significant 15 presence there. 16 Given the time frame that I have to 17 discuss -- I have a lot to discuss, but I'm going to 18 try and generalize a number of things. While again 19 there were certain commitments that were made 20 through a press conference yesterday, I'm still 21 concerned that Bank of America has not addressed the 22 issue of work force development effectively and 23 completely yet, as well as procurement, as well as 24 the community development dollars; and given the . 0060 1 presence the Bank of America will have in this 2 region, I feel that Bank of America should commit to 3 an increased percentage in the amount of community 4 development dollars which they disperse to 5 communities. 6 I would also again support the legislatures 7 of the banking committee and request that Bank of 8 America voluntarily submit to local regulations. I 9 think it would be an extreme act of goodwill that 10 would show that Bank of America is willing to work 11 at a local level, not only at the national. 12 I would also like to -- I'll actually 13 conclude by saying that there was a group that was 14 working at the Community Advisory Committee, which 15 Senator Wilkerson here was sitting -- actually, I 16 think cochairing, if I'm correct -- that submitted a 17 lengthy list of pieces for Bank of America to 18 address. And in looking at that, I feel it's 19 extremely detailed. There are a number of issues 20 that are addressed through it. I would ask 21 respectfully that the people that are involved in 22 this merger, both Fleet and Bank of America, sit 23 down with this Community Advisory Committee to 24 discuss these details to make sure that we get the . 0061 1 biggest bang for our buck in your plans to move into 2 our communities. 3 There were certain -- when I got involved 4 in communicating myself with Bank of America, I was 5 happy to see that I received a letter from them. 6 Unfortunately, I didn't receive anything from the 7 Fleet side, and I was a little concerned with that. 8 And with the Bank of America, it was noted that they 9 would refer me to a public relations or a public 10 affairs person, and I'm still currently waiting to 11 hear from that person. 12 So again, I would hope that this is not an 13 indication of how the bank will come into our 14 communities. We have active communities. We have 15 felt positive impacts within the past with Fleet. 16 And while, again, it's unclear to me what the total 17 impact -- what the commitment to -- our previous 18 commitments were -- the commitments that currently 19 exist, I would encourage those to please -- those in 20 this merger to please stick with us in the 21 community, because we will also make your 22 institutions thrive. 23 Thank you very much. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. . 0062 1 Mr. Fort? 2 MR. FORT: My name is Vincent Fort. I 3 served the Third and Ninth District in Atlanta, 4 Georgia. 5 Over the last four years I've led the fight 6 in Georgia against predatory mortgage lending. 7 During that time, we passed the strongest law to 8 restrict predatory mortgage lending in 2002. That 9 same law was gutted just last year in 2003. 10 Councilmember Derrick Boazman, who is to my right, 11 authored an Atlanta city ordinance that prohibited 12 the city from doing business with companies that did 13 predatory lending. In both instances Bank of 14 America opposed those legislative efforts to 15 restrict predatory lending. 16 While working on these issues, we've become 17 intimately familiar with predatory lending practices 18 of Bank of America. And I'd like to talk very 19 quickly about five points that I'd like to make. 20 While Bank of America shuttered 21 NationsCredit and EquiCredit in 2001, we find that 22 many of these loans are still alive. That is, 23 people are still paying on these loans, still 24 entrapped in these loans that are characterized by . 0063 1 high interest rates and single premium financed 2 credit life insurance. We know that Bank of America 3 in one instance acquired about $10 billion of 4 securities in their own subprime loans. 5 Over the years I have received complaints 6 regarding these loans. One that comes to mind is 7 that of a minister in my community who was 8 downstreamed from Bank of America and sent over to 9 NationsCredit to get a loan. Shortly thereafter, he 10 was foreclosed upon by NationsCredit. 11 These loans that are still in place ought 12 to be reformed. They ought to be reviewed and their 13 terms adjusted, so that the victims of these loans 14 can be made whole. 15 From an examination of the available data, 16 Bank of America denies African-Americans in the 17 Metropolitan Atlanta area 2.66 times more frequently 18 than they do whites. And Latinos are denied 3.5 19 times more frequently than whites. These 20 discriminatory patterns -- and these are refinance 21 loans, by the way -- ought to stop. These practices 22 fuel predatory lending. People of color who are 23 turned down by Bank of America find themselves 24 forced into the subprime market. . 0064 1 3. Bank of America is further involved in 2 predatory lending by virtue of its purchasing of 3 subprime loans. These loans contain prepayment 4 penalties and once again, very high interest rates. 5 For example, Bank of America purchases Option One 6 loans. And I have a fax sheet of one victim in the 7 Atlanta area that I will share with you. I don't 8 have it available now, but I will share a fax sheet 9 of one victim who has come to Atlanta Legal Aid for 10 redress. So this is an issue that we need to deal 11 with. 12 4. Bank of America fuels predatory lending 13 by securitizing subprime lenders in the last two 14 years, such as Ameriquest, Wells Fargo Home 15 Mortgage, and New Century. Bank of America also 16 securitized Superior Bank loans which are 17 characterized by many of the features that I've 18 already mentioned. 19 5. Bank of America has made capital 20 business loans to payday lenders, which are 21 increasingly becoming a legislative focus in 22 Georgia, particularly as they function around 23 military bases. 24 We have increasingly gotten complaints and . 0065 1 a lot of media attention regarding servicemen near 2 these payday loan companies that Bank of America 3 finances who are being ripped off. That's a 4 particularly, in my thinking, an egregious situation 5 where the servicemen who are in harm's way, so to 6 speak, servicemen who are committed to protecting 7 each and every one of our lives, are in a situation 8 where they are being ripped off by the payday loan 9 companies. That is beyond the pale of my 10 estimation. 11 The merger of Bank of America with Fleet 12 should not go forward until they cease their 13 indirect and direct involvement in predatory lending 14 practices. Otherwise, such a merger will create a 15 larger machine to do even more predatory lending. 16 MR. BOAZMAN: Good morning. I want to 17 thank the panel to allow me the opportunity to be 18 here this morning. 19 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Please state your 20 name. 21 MR. BOAZMAN: I'm Derrick Boazman. I'm a 22 member of the Atlanta City Council, representing the 23 12th District of the City of Atlanta. And I am here 24 really to be the voice for the thousands who could . 0066 1 not be here. I left sunny Atlanta where it's 60 2 degrees to come to the coldest day in Boston, 3 because I thought it important that this committee 4 hear from the voice of the voiceless. 5 Senator Fort really laid out the case, and 6 he has worked very diligently alongside me as my 7 partner over the state legislature as we dealt with 8 this issue at the city level. But I wanted to make 9 sure that it get reemphasized. 10 When we see these mega-mergers, there's 11 also a human factor. Unfortunately, on the Bank of 12 America side in particular, the human factor plays 13 out in predatory mortgage lending, the subprime 14 market we see, as Senator Fort has already stated, 15 people who are looking to refinance, as well as 16 people who are looking for loans on the first end, 17 oftentimes sent out of the door of the primary bank, 18 where the signal sets forth a certain reputation to 19 the subprime market, as it was said, which was 20 supposed to be closed in 2002. NationsCredit and 21 EquiCredit have millions and millions of dollars 22 that are still being made off the securitization of 23 those loans which have been bought back by Bank of 24 America. It's very problematic. . 0067 1 I've sat in too many homes, most of them 2 widows. The only thing that stands between them and 3 the one asset that they still hold is a slickster. 4 And oftentimes that slickster, whether he shows up 5 as a home repair company, goes straight to the 6 subprime lenders, EquiCredit and NationsCredit. And 7 at the end of the day, they end up losing their 8 home. But not only do they lose their home to this 9 pernicious practice, they oftentimes lose their 10 dignity and their self-worth. And we thought that 11 that was an effort to reform and make some mends to 12 this community. 13 No doubt you will hear small 14 community-based organizations, from Girl Scouts and 15 Boy Scouts, come and talk about how much uniforms 16 have been donated and how much money has been given. 17 But in those same communities grandma is losing her 18 home because of the practices of Bank of America. 19 What is particularly troubling is also the 20 capitalization and the continued funding at levels 21 that are just unheard of of organizations like 22 payday loan companies. 23 Payday loans are nothing more than modern 24 day sharecroppers. It's a modern day sharecropping . 0068 1 system that preys on sometimes the poorest of the 2 poor, who pay to cash checks, only because Bank of 3 America have pulled their branches out of these very 4 same neighborhoods. 5 So we see payday loan companies come when 6 the banks pull out on the front end. And so those 7 are some very serious concerns. 8 Going back to those who we represent and 9 sitting in their homes and looking at the 10 devastation of their lives, when we see people, 11 particularly seniors moving out of our communities, 12 we think that they're just moving back in with their 13 children and their daughters and their sons because 14 that's what they want to do. But oftentimes the 15 option is either be forced out into the street or to 16 move back into a housing arrangement back with 17 families, simply because they have been swindled out 18 of their homes. And at the end of that transaction 19 is Bank of America in some form, whether it's 20 through their predatory lending or through the 21 capitalizations of payday loans and other kinds of 22 predatory practices. 23 So we are very concerned about this merger, 24 because what it does is give a greater level of . 0069 1 resource to continue the practices that have 2 devastated lives and devastated homes. 3 So we would ask you to look with a serious 4 discernment into this issue. It may be legally 5 right, but it's morally wrong. It may be legally 6 right to extend these loans, but it's morally wrong 7 to extend the loan when you know that this 8 individual has no possibility of making the payment 9 terms that is given to them. 10 So we would ask you to forego the moving 11 forward of this merger and to look very seriously 12 into this issue, because the human toll is 13 tremendous, and it is terribly unfair. 14 MS. WILKERSON: Good morning to the 15 presiding officer and members of the panel. Welcome 16 to Boston. For the record, my name is Dianne 17 Wilkerson. For 11 and a half years I've had the 18 privilege of serving as the State Senator from 19 Boston, of Boston Second Suffolk District. And I 20 sit in that capacity, as well as in the capacity 21 this morning as the convener of the Statewide 22 Community Advisory Committee, which was actually 23 created in 1999. The original name was the 24 Statewide Community Advisory Committee for the Fleet . 0070 1 Bank/BankBoston merger. 2 Within three months of the creation of the 3 committee, Citizens Bank announced the plan to 4 acquire Sovereign Bank, so we changed our name to 5 the Community Advisory Committee on Bank Mergers. 6 We've been busy, busy, busy. And we are here today 7 yet again. 8 I want to stay at the outset and make it 9 emphatically clear that I am here to speak in 10 opposition to the merger as it has been presented 11 today. I am a realist. I understand that this is 12 looking like a juggernaut, but I am appealing to 13 you, because it is my understanding that you are the 14 only avenue that we have to address what I think are 15 some very serious issues. The Community Advisory 16 Committee is made up of about 45 organizations from 17 mostly eastern Massachusetts. And we did believe 18 that it was important to have a unified voice, 19 because we didn't know just from the experience in 20 Roxbury or Dorchester what the banking experiences 21 were on the ground. 22 So organizations -- everyone from the 23 NAACP, the Lawyers' Committee for Civil rights, the 24 Burroughs Group, professional organizations, civil . 0071 1 rights organizations -- the collective and common 2 interests that they all have is that they have a 3 customer base of regular folks who depend on access 4 to credit on a day-to-day basis. And it is that 5 standard, the realization that your obligation and 6 our obligation to make sure that whatever merger 7 that is approved or acted upon, among other things, 8 meets the credit needs of the community. That is 9 what I am here to speak to you today. 10 I sat on the Community Reinvestment 11 Committee in 1990, when Fleet came to Boston in the 12 demise of Bank of New England. I sat on the 13 Community Negotiating Committee during the Shawmut, 14 BankBoston, BayBank. In 1999 I sat on this stage 15 and appealed to you when Fleet took over BankBoston, 16 and we're here today. In fact, the 1999 testimony 17 was the first time I ever testified in opposition to 18 a merger, and so today would certainly make the 19 second. 20 I also happened to sit in the state 21 senate -- and I am sitting here today as the senate 22 sponsor of our state's predatory lending bill. By 23 way of common interests with my colleague from 24 Georgia, I will tell you that we have not enjoyed . 0072 1 the support -- in the very small list of our banking 2 financial institutions -- support of that bill. 3 Yet, the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston in the first 4 quarter of last year of 2003 in the quarterly report 5 published an article that said even the Federal 6 Reserve Bank understood that it appeared that the 7 predatory lenders were back. And in fact, I think 8 one of the lines said they appear to be back with a 9 vengeance. In my opinion, they have never gone 10 away. I think that our vigilance against this has 11 waned; and in that void, they are back. 12 We are still in my office on a weekly basis 13 receiving phone calls -- we got one yesterday -- 14 from people who were in the throes of foreclosure 15 and about to lose their loans. We are still 16 cleaning up the 1990 mess. You may know that in 17 1990, Boston was the scene of an unprecedented 18 hearing in which the entire congressional delegation 19 convened in Boston over the Memorial Day weekend and 20 sat in Roxbury, in the middle of my district, to 21 hear testimony on the 8,000 homeowners whose homes 22 were destabilized as a result of that second 23 mortgage scam. 24 You may also remember that the major lender . 0073 1 of the second mortgage scam artist was Fleet Bank. 2 And for the last ten years, we have spent time to 3 clean up their mess, and we are not done yet. 4 So I'm a little concerned when I read the 5 history of Bank of America and I look and I see what 6 they're doing around the country, because I think 7 that the experiences of both of these institutions 8 are relevant as we process going forward. If, in 9 fact, Bank of America had a good record, then we 10 would feel relieved that they were coming in and 11 have some optimism. I don't think that's the case. 12 I think that the statistics speaks for 13 themselves -- not mine, but theirs -- that their 14 mortgages -- the Bank of America, first, they're 15 only doing 16.8 of the mortgages, and the industry 16 did 21 percent. For the fourth largest -- about to 17 be the largest -- that doesn't bode well for a 18 community like ours, where there are only going to 19 be three institutions left. 20 We have small business lending. Bank of 21 America has consistently made less of the 22 under-$100,000 loans than their peers. And we're 23 concerned about the work force reductions, because 24 we do not think that this was an issue that had the . 0074 1 level of importance and focus by Fleet. So if this 2 merger was to go forward, we would want to see that 3 the work force reductions be done in a way not to 4 further decrease the number of employees of color. 5 The predatory lending issue is real. I was 6 especially cognizant that this whole issue of race 7 and the implication for black and Latino borrowers 8 has, for some reason, not been an issue that people 9 have wanted to address. Even our prior panel, which 10 are people that I respect, our Community Development 11 Corporations, in the testimony, only one person on 12 the panel mentioned minorities. 13 Yet, the Mass. Community Banking Council 14 issued their report last week that we have continued 15 to see a spike in the racial and ethnic disparities 16 in mortgage lending for blacks and Latinos in 17 Massachusetts. 18 So I'm reading about how our current banks 19 are doing, and I'm looking at Bank of America's 20 status, and I'm concerned about that and hope that 21 you would be as well. 22 We submitted a comment letter to the Feds 23 for the December deadline. And in fact, Bank of 24 America sent me yesterday a copy of their response. . 0075 1 I have not had a chance to review it totally, but I 2 thought the issue on predatory lending was relevant 3 for this panel. We set the stats about Ocwen. I 4 think there's some testimony. They are bad actors, 5 and they get their money from Bank of America. The 6 HMDA data also speaks of the same things we speak 7 to, so it's not just our staff. 8 The response from the Bank of America to 9 this issue that we raised was that the HMDA data 10 should be not determinative of their performance. I 11 don't know what would be, unless they planned to 12 give me a report that they issued to Dianne 13 Wilkerson, because the only thing we have is that 14 data. 15 Ocwen is involved in several lawsuits 16 across this country where they're being charged with 17 unscrupulous lending and loan purchasing activity. 18 As I said, I spoke to the black and Latino mortgage 19 rates -- by speaking to another point -- and I'm 20 going to submit some further testimony in response 21 to the comments letter to this panel, but I want to 22 speak to the comments that were made last week in 23 response to the $750 billion loan commitment. 24 I'm sure that you are more aware of Dick . 0076 1 Bove than I. I'm learning he is a five-star 2 analyst, considered to be an all-American analyst. 3 Every bank in this country looks to him, because he 4 advises and influences investors. 5 The day after the announcement was made, 6 Mr. Bove said that he wanted to ensure investors who 7 were thinking about investing in Bank of America not 8 to worry, because there is no way that Bank of 9 America could in fact perform a $750 million. 10 Either Mr. Bove is wrong -- and I don't think he 11 could be wrong and have a five-star rating -- or we 12 don't have all the information. 13 So I think one of the things that we need 14 to get is an audit on the performance of the 15 commitment that's already been made. When you have 16 the number one bank analyst in the country -- in the 17 world saying that they can't do what they're 18 promising to do, then I think we have to do more. 19 Finally, the Sunshine Law -- 20 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Could we just 21 have those submitted in writing? 22 MS. WILKERSON: We will. We will have many 23 people testifying today. I just want to suggest 24 that we have a right to have it made public that . 0077 1 anybody who testifies in support of this merger who 2 has an agreement will be getting money that they 3 have to be made public. And if they don't 4 acknowledge it to you, I would ask that you request 5 that they submit it, so we can access it from you. 6 I think it ought to be part of what you would be 7 processing as you process the comments and all the 8 support and data that you would hear today from 9 people who are going to be cashing those checks from 10 Bank of America, who got those checks from Fleet. 11 Even our United States Congress has acknowledged 12 this. 13 Black and Latinos are getting crushed. The 14 access to capital in this market has been 15 decreasing -- it's decreasing the Bank of America's 16 market. It's decreasing Fleet's market. How we 17 could be better off with the two together is really 18 the challenge I think for them to prove to us. 19 And if and when they do, I will stand there 20 and I will support it. But there is no information 21 that we have today that will suggest that we're 22 going to be better off or the credit needs for this 23 community will be met. They are not being met now, 24 and I am appealing to you to make sure that those . 0078 1 questions get asked and answered, or you have them 2 talk to us, because they have not been very willing 3 to do that either. They don't want to talk to us 4 about the facts and about race. And I'm appealing 5 to you, because this is the only place that we can 6 come for relief. 7 And I think you for your patience. 8 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 9 much. 10 Mr. Blumenthal? 11 MR. BLUMENTHAL: Yes. Thank you. I 12 apologize for being a bit late, although I think 13 maybe -- 14 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: You made it just 15 in time. 16 MR. BLUMENTHAL: I very much appreciate 17 this opportunity to be with you. As you know, we 18 asked -- the treasurer of the State of Connecticut 19 and I, as Attorney General -- asked that a hearing 20 be held in Hartford, and we haven't received a 21 response from the board as yet, so we will convene a 22 hearing of our own that will give citizens there an 23 opportunity to be heard. And we will make a record 24 and forward it to you. But I very much appreciate . 0079 1 this opportunity to be with you this morning. 2 I want to say right at the very outset that 3 we regard FleetBoston as an enormously productive 4 and important partner in the community reinvestment 5 effort. Whenever each of our major banks in 6 Connecticut has been acquired, whatever its name or 7 identity, we have negotiated community reinvestment 8 commitments, as we did with Fleet in the latest 9 merger that took place. And the partnership with 10 FleetBoston has been really exemplary. We've made 11 enormous progress. The $2.9 billion commitment over 12 a period of years has been profoundly significant. 13 And so we have very mixed feelings about losing that 14 partner through this acquisition. We want to make 15 sure that the community reinvestment is real. 16 We have two concerns. First, the total 17 amount that has been committed, the $750 billion. 18 Of that amount, $100 billion has been committed to 19 the area that FleetBoston covers. We believe that 20 that amount is insufficient. The total amount does 21 not take into account of the fact that 20 percent of 22 the assets and more than 20 percent of the deposits 23 from the merged institution will be from the Fleet 24 footprint area, but only 13 percent of the CRA . 0080 1 commitment right now, according to what the 2 announcement has been, will go to that area. 3 Equally important, we are concerned about 4 the state-by-state allotments. We recognize that 5 the Bank of America has said that state-specific 6 commitments would be unwieldy, inflexible -- those 7 are the terms they've used -- but we want to know 8 the specifics. We need to know those specifics. 9 And we think that the Federal Reserve Board ought to 10 condition approval on commitments that specifically 11 outline what the allocations will be state by state, 12 region by region, at least in minimum terms. 13 I want to say that I recognize that New 14 England may be regarded nationally as one of the 15 more affluent areas. Connecticut is one of the 16 wealthiest states in the country. It also has four 17 of the poorest cities in the country. The panel has 18 referred to two connectors. And we think that kind 19 of community need on the part of certain of our 20 urban areas really requires those kinds of specific 21 state commitments. And also that there be 22 allocations within communities through advisory 23 boards, through means that respond to communities 24 and provide for a governing structure, a community . 0081 1 responsive mechanism. Without those kinds of 2 specifics, much of what's been announced may simply 3 be eye candy -- looking good, smelling good, but 4 without the real center known at this point and 5 without also how much real energy and enduring value 6 there is. 7 Finally, let me just say that we have real 8 governance concerns relating to the ongoing 9 investigation by federal and state authorities into 10 improper trading activities. We would require 11 specifically that there be a condition on 12 cooperation with those ongoing investigations. Bank 13 of America has committed to cooperate, but we think 14 as a matter of public policy, this board has the 15 opportunity and obligation to condition approval of 16 this transaction on continuing cooperation. And 17 we've raised in our testimony also the issue of 18 compensation as a matter of corporate governance. 19 We think there needs to be more accountability and 20 transparency on what would happen relating to 21 compensation if this merger is approved. 22 So we are concerned about the unanswered 23 questions. We think the board has a right and 24 responsibility to demand answers. And on behalf of . 0082 1 the State of Connecticut as Attorney General, I urge 2 that all of these issues be addressed, including, as 3 has been raised before, the issue of employment and 4 layoffs. We want a commitment as part of this 5 merger that there will be a four-year commitment to 6 no layoffs in the State of Connecticut, again, 7 consistent with some of the representations that 8 have been made by Bank of America, but more 9 specific, clear, transparent and accountable under 10 the terms that you will impose. 11 I have submitted written testimony that 12 more fully outlines the concerns that Treasurer 13 Denise Napier and myself wish to bring to the 14 Board's attention. 15 In the interest of time, I will finish here 16 again with my thanks for giving me this opportunity. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 18 much. The written testimony will be made a part of 19 the official record. 20 MR. BLUMENTHAL: Thank you. 21 MS. WILKERSON: To the panel members, could 22 I just offer, on behalf of my colleague, State 23 Representative Gloria Fox, who was schedule to 24 testify -- she did submit a letter and ask that I . 0083 1 present it to you. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Fine. We have no 3 questions from the panel. Thank you very much. 4 We have Panel 4 ready, and we were planning 5 to go ahead and have them make their presentations 6 before the break. We'll go ahead with the break. 7 We'll reconvene in 15 minutes. 8 (Recess) 9 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We'll move to 10 Panel No. 4. You each have five minutes. You will 11 get signals when it's two minutes to go and one 12 minute to go. 13 Please give your name and affiliation to 14 start, for the record. 15 MR. FONFARA: Good morning. For the 16 record, my name is John Fonfara. I'm the state 17 senator representing the First District of Hartford 18 in Wethersfield, Connecticut. 19 Before I begin my formal remarks, I would 20 like to say that in listening to my Attorney 21 General, Richard Blumenthal, I, too, would ask that 22 you give attention to the issue of specifying the 23 community reinvestment that is done by region, as 24 opposed to the way it has been proposed so far. . 0084 1 I am testifying today in support of the 2 acquisition of FleetBoston Financial Corporation by 3 the Bank of America Corporation. The fact that I am 4 here today speaking in support of this acquisition 5 might surprise a number of my colleagues in the 6 Connecticut legislature. 7 In my former role as senate chairman of the 8 Banks Committee I resisted strongly for two years 9 Fleet's ultimately successful efforts to impose ATM 10 surcharges on non-customers. My opinion of the bank 11 then was that it was an out-of-state giant more 12 interested in serving its own financial interests 13 than it was in serving the interests of Connecticut 14 and its residents. 15 My firmly-held view of Fleet was challenged 16 somewhat about five years ago, when the bank 17 invested $2.5 million to leverage $1 million in 18 state funds for the creation of a loan pool for the 19 Spanish American Merchant's Association, known as 20 SAMA, in Hartford. SAMA, headed by its talented 21 executive director, Julio Mendoza, is the primary 22 advocacy organization for Latino small businesses in 23 Hartford, New Haven, New Britain, Meriden and soon 24 over the entire state of Connecticut. . 0085 1 Under the leadership of Mr. Mendoza and 2 others who will be testifying today, SAMA has been 3 reversing the tide of urban small business 4 disinvestment that has impacted many Connecticut 5 cities. The most important tool that SAMA has had 6 in this effort has been the ability to provide very 7 low interest loans for small business start-ups and 8 expansion. 9 I believe it is critical for regulators to 10 understand what the resources provided by Fleet to 11 SAMA has meant to my constituents. In many cases it 12 has meant the difference between having a job and 13 being on welfare. Some of my constituents who are 14 on welfare are now small business owners, thanks to 15 the loan pool administered by SAMA and funded 16 primarily by Fleet. I recognize this acquisition 17 involves billions of dollars, but to me the state 18 senator representing one of the poorest cities in 19 America, it is about changing lives and improving 20 neighborhoods. Fleet has happened to do both. 21 This fall, despite having no assurances 22 that the State of Connecticut would commit any 23 additional funds to SAMA, Fleet stepped up again. 24 This time for $3.7 million in a revolving fund for . 0086 1 Hartford, New Haven, New Britain and other cities. 2 This investment, combined with $3 million from the 3 State, will enable SAMA to continue to help 4 stabilize neighborhoods, create jobs, redirect 5 private investment and give hope to communities and 6 individuals who have not had much. 7 I am here today to tell you why I support 8 Fleet Bank in this acquisition, but also to speak to 9 the regulators and to the Bank of America 10 representatives about the importance of acting 11 locally. To have the Chandler Howards, the Carol 12 Hellers and the Joe Giannis, as Fleet does in 13 Hartford, attending meeting after meeting, 14 celebration after celebration as though their office 15 were right next door makes all the difference. 16 I've learned over the last seven years, 17 since I was chairman of the Banks Committee in 18 Connecticut, it's not about where a bank is 19 headquartered or whether your city is the hub of the 20 banks' financial commitment. I've learned it's 21 about the commitment of the institution to have good 22 people at the local level who understand the 23 difference a bank headquartered hundreds or 24 thousands of miles away can make in the life of a . 0087 1 Latino welfare mom with a dream in Hartford, 2 Connecticut, or Boston, Massachusetts. 3 While I am in no position today to say 4 categorically how beneficial this acquisition will 5 be ultimately to the communities I represent or the 6 many like it throughout the Fleet service area, I 7 can say to you today that my friends at SAMA and I 8 are sincerely optimistic. We have heard of the 9 substantial resource commitment to community 10 investment made by the Bank of America. We have 11 seen the commitment of Fleet Bank. We believe the 12 joining of these two commitments will provide all of 13 us with an opportunity to affect the communities we 14 serve in ways we could never have thought of 15 previously. 16 I urge you to support the acquisition, and 17 I thank you for your time. 18 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Mr. McCrory? 19 MR. McCRORY: First of all, my name is Pat 20 McCrory. I'm serving my ninth year as Mayor of the 21 City of Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm also proud 22 to serve as Chairman of the Housing and Community 23 Development Committee for the U.S. Conference of 24 Mayors, where I worked very closely with former . 0088 1 president of that conference, Mayor Tom Menino. 2 Let me just say this in a very clear and 3 statesman-like way about Bank of America. I have 4 never worked with a corporate citizen that doesn't 5 more clearly not only understand, but makes a 6 commitment to city urban centers and community 7 issues, primarily in three areas: One, community 8 development; the second is understanding the 9 economic development efforts in creating jobs; and 10 third, getting involved in community leadership to 11 improve the quality of life for all citizens in 12 every community that they represent. 13 When they make a commitment, their word is 14 their bond. In fact, Mr. Lewis mentioned they have 15 already met 45 percent of their ten-year goal. And 16 Charlotte has felt an impact of that, along with 17 many cities throughout the United States of America. 18 In Charlotte, for example -- I just want to give you 19 a few examples where I have had a very successful 20 relationship with Bank of America during my 21 eight-year tenure as mayor. 22 One example is working with a low income 23 neighborhood, which we used to call a project. It 24 was a blighted project with drugs, with crime, with . 0089 1 no hope for the future. Bank of America saw this as 2 not helping those residents or helping the 3 community. Instead of building a project, we wanted 4 to build housing and a community all in one. 5 Because building housing wasn't just the answer, but 6 building a community was the answer. 7 Therefore, Bank of America helped us apply 8 for a Hope VI grant. We came to the NationsBank to 9 help us create that vision, and we worked very much 10 in partnership with them in coming up with a master 11 plan for a community, which included multi-family, 12 single and elderly housing. This is in the center 13 of our urban core, which was very important to us. 14 HUD approved this project. In less than five years, 15 this project is a role model for the rest of the 16 nation. 17 It is a vibrant and unique community where 18 I have people who work for the banks and all types 19 of industry in our area, and they're living right 20 next door to people on welfare, and no one knows the 21 difference, because it is now an integral part of 22 our community, and it is now safe with good housing. 23 I am very, very proud of what has also 24 occurred around that development because of this . 0090 1 vision. 13 acres were acquired by the bank of 2 surrounding land, and we've now redeveloped that 3 surrounding land, where we built a private school, 4 which was a reserved space for poor children, and it 5 is now a very nice developed neighborhood. 6 Not only have they helped everyday citizens 7 who are in need in urban centers, but I've been very 8 impressed with them helping the elderly in poor 9 neighborhoods. Bank of America has also helped us 10 with some incredible developments, one called 11 Sycamore Green, which was a very distressed area in 12 our city. 13 They invested over $5.6 million. We've got 14 190 units, and it's been a very, very successful 15 project. There are many, many more examples I could 16 give you in Charlotte, but it's not just the 17 Charlotte perspective. If you talk to Mayor 18 O'Malley in Baltimore, Mayor Hahn in Los Angeles or 19 former Mayor Hood in Orlando, there are examples of 20 Bank of America making investments -- over $100 21 million in loans and investments -- to build center 22 city, affordable housing in urban areas. And that's 23 what's so impressive about this bank, is that they 24 really understand the urban ordinance issue. . 0091 1 Very briefly, I also want to say they 2 understand the creation of jobs in economic 3 development. In fact, I'm proud to say, due to Bank 4 of America's assistance in Charlotte, we now have a 5 satellite campus of Johnson and Wales University, 6 which was headquartered in Providence, Rhode Island. 7 And we're very, very pleased to have that 8 partnership, because that is creating new jobs for 9 many people in our communities. There are many 10 examples of that also. And of course, community 11 leadership. No corporation is more involved in arts 12 and science, the United Way, Mentoring, which is a 13 passion of mine, and Habitat for Humanity, in which 14 Bank of America has built over 100 houses in 15 Charlotte. This is leadership and commitment at all 16 levels. 17 I will say without any hesitation that Bank 18 of America is committed to building a community and 19 helping people of all income levels, and this comes 20 from a mayor of a city of 650,000 people within its 21 city limits, a very diverse community. 22 I'll conclude by saying this -- and I have 23 to say this -- and that is that I look forward to 24 meeting Tom Menino in Houston for the Super Bowl, . 0092 1 when the New England Patriots meet the Carolina 2 Panthers. 3 Thank you very much. 4 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 5 Mr. McMahon? 6 MR. McMAHON: Thank you. I'm Michael 7 McMahon. I'm here on behalf of Governor Carcieri, 8 the Governor of Rhode Island. I'm in charge of 9 economic and community development. 10 In a global economy, change is good. And I 11 know change scares people. But if I look at this 12 transaction, the name changes, but the heart stays 13 the same. And as Fleet has demonstrated, in a 14 customer service business, particularly one as 15 intimate as banking, if an organization -- and more 16 importantly, it's people -- hold on to their moral 17 compass of their core values, they will thrive, 18 their communities will thrive, and all of their 19 stakeholders will thrive. And they will stay 20 competitive. And that's what this merger is all 21 about. 22 Given that the core values of Fleet and the 23 core values of Bank of America are so similar, we 24 believe that the merged institution will continue to . 0093 1 be a driving force for community and economic 2 development in Rhode Island and the region. 3 My friends in Texas taught me that if you 4 tell people what you're going to do, it's bragging. 5 If you tell people what you've done, that's 6 reporting. And if I report on what Fleet has done 7 in our community, it is a very impressive track 8 record. Let me just share with you some of those 9 activities. 10 They have a strong record of contributing 11 to Rhode Island non-profits, $2.5 million to over 12 400 organizations. 13 It's the largest contributor to the United 14 Way of Rhode Island, over $1 million for the past 15 five years. 16 I think what's really extraordinary about 17 Fleet in our community is it is the "go to" 18 organization. When we have a problem, when there is 19 a need, the first call goes to Fleet. 20 During the West Warwick Station nightclub 21 fire, Fleet volunteered right alongside of the Rhode 22 Island Emergency Management to support the victim 23 hotline. They donated $25,000 to the Station Fund, 24 and they served as the collection point for the Red . 0094 1 Cross donations. 2 For the Rhode Island Community Food Bank, 3 they contributed $500,000 to support a new facility. 4 And this will make Rhode Island the first 5 hunger-free state in the United States. 6 When it comes to Brownfield projects, 7 environmental projects, Fleet is the firm that steps 8 up to write the check time and time again. 9 If you look at small businesses, Fleet 10 serves over 13,000 small businesses in Rhode Island. 11 This is 30 percent of all Rhode Island small 12 businesses. They instituted a financial education 13 program region-wide to help people who are not 14 sophisticated in dealing with finances get 15 comfortable and save for their future. They're an 16 innovative leader. They had the first 17 HomeLink/OfficeLink on line. They have talking ATMs 18 to better serve the visually impaired. 19 So are we concerned that this merger is 20 going to adversely impact our community? Absolutely 21 not. I think that Mr. Lewis and Mr. Gifford 22 mentioned how many people in key management 23 positions are going to be continued to have roots in 24 this community. . 0095 1 But more importantly, I look at it just 2 from a financial transaction. You don't pay the 3 type of premium for what is in effect a retail and 4 community franchise and not expect to invest in your 5 customer's communities. And so that going forward, 6 there is no doubt in our minds that Fleet will 7 continue to be the leading corporate citizen now 8 that they have changed their name to Bank of 9 America. 10 We have 4,000 employees in Rhode Island. 11 We expect to have at least that many, possibly more. 12 And this is a company that has been around for 210 13 years and has been a pillar of our community, and we 14 expect that to continue. 15 Thank you very much. 16 MR. WAINWRIGHT: Good morning. And thank 17 you for the opportunity to appear. 18 I am William Wainwright, North Carolina 19 State Representative for District 12, comprising the 20 four rural eastern North Carolina counties. 21 I am pleased to speak before this 22 distinguished group to express my support of Bank of 23 America in its proposed merger with FleetBoston 24 Financial Corporation. . 0096 1 As Chairman of the House Finance Committee, 2 I have had the privilege of working with Bank of 3 America's executives and government affairs 4 representatives. Thus, I am here today to speak in 5 favor of the merger of Bank of America and 6 FleetBoston Bank. 7 I will begin by sharing with you that Bank 8 of America has been and continues to be an 9 outstanding corporate citizen in North Carolina. 10 Bank of America has been a leader in growing jobs in 11 our state. I must tell you that predatory lending 12 is a serious issue in North Carolina, and the North 13 Carolina general assembly has dealt with this issue 14 with due diligence. 15 In 2003 Bank of America officials came to 16 the table and worked diligently with legislative 17 leaders and members of the general assembly for 18 changes in consumer lending practices that added to 19 stronger consumer protection. While agreeing to the 20 many changes in the predatory lending law, it 21 allowed Bank of America to bring its home equity 22 business to North Carolina. This resulted in 350 23 consumer real estate jobs and the creation of 370 24 additional jobs, for a total of 720 jobs at a . 0097 1 much-needed time. 2 North Carolina's economy is changing. And 3 industries such as manufacturing and agriculture are 4 no longer major players in the state's economy. As 5 you are aware, North Carolina has lost more 6 manufacturing jobs than any other state. We must 7 look at other resources for economic growth. And we 8 have continued to count on the financial services 9 industry to be one of our growth entries in North 10 Carolina. 11 We all understand the importance of 12 financial literacy. Bank of America's Financial 13 Literacy for Life Program has trained more than 14 18,000 teachers and 500,000 students in the area of 15 financial literacy. Financial literacy is a 16 significant factor for the future prosperity and 17 growth of our citizens and our state. Education is 18 a top priority for our legislative black caucus. 19 And Bank of America has consistently supported 20 higher education by providing scholarship 21 contributions to various North Carolina colleges and 22 universities. 23 Annually, our legislative black caucus 24 sponsors a scholarship weekend to support our . 0098 1 historically black colleges and universities in 2 North Carolina. Bank of America has been among our 3 biggest contributors, and their contributions have 4 allowed us to provide scholarships to many needy 5 students at these educational institutions. 6 Bank of America is considered a premiere 7 leader in the areas of community development. The 8 reasons that the Bank has this distinction are: 9 Bank of America maintains an outstanding CRA rating. 10 Nationally, Bank of America has a $2.5 billion 11 portfolio of low income housing tax credit 12 investments. Bank of America has approved over $100 13 million dollars in single-family and multi-family 14 affordable housing construction loans. Bank of 15 America is not only investing in affordable housing 16 construction loans in urban and metropolitan North 17 Carolina, but it is committed and is investing in 18 affordable housing financing in rural North Carolina 19 also. 20 Bank of America has many success stories 21 working with community groups to provide affordable 22 housing to those in need in North Carolina. I am 23 excited about one of several that they did in my 24 legislative district. Bank of America financed a . 0099 1 $2.2 million construction loan to create 50 2 much-needed units of housing at Gatewood Apartments 3 in Havelock, North Carolina. This bank has won six 4 affordable housing awards in the Carolinas from the 5 Federal Home Loan Bank. 6 It is my belief that banking in the 7 northeastern part of our nation will be 8 substantially strengthened by this merger. 9 Thank you for the opportunity to speak. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 11 Mr. Fowler? 12 MR. FOWLER: Thank you. I am Ned Fowler, 13 E.G. Ned Fowler, founder and CEO of Northwestern 14 Regional housing Authority, headquartered in Boone, 15 North Carolina. I bring you greetings from the 16 beautiful Blue Ridge, where it is also cold and 17 windy this morning. 18 For 25 years my firm has delivered 19 affordable housing opportunities to several tens of 20 thousands of our less fortunate neighbors in the 21 mountain counties of Northwestern North Carolina. 22 You may be interested to know for the first half of 23 our corporate tenure, most of those development and 24 construction activities were funded almost entirely . 0100 1 by federal dollars. 2 For the most recent 12 years, we have 3 managed to position ourselves as worthy partners for 4 private investment and responsible borrowers for 5 local community lenders, most notably on both counts 6 with Bank of America. 7 We are proud of all of our developments, 8 but it is readily apparent that the newer product is 9 significantly a cut above the older model. In the 10 late 1980s private investment in affordable housing 11 in our region had all but disappeared. The 12 reintroduction of private participation with Bank of 13 America and other institutional investors has 14 resulted in rental and homeownership developments of 15 the highest quality that are marketplace-competitive 16 with long-term feasibility and performance. 17 This has been made possible, not in small 18 part, by the careful underwriting, due diligence and 19 asset management oversight which accompanies these 20 types of public/private partnerships. Our successes 21 have been featured in the Community Development 22 Magazine of the Federal Reserve Bank of Richmond and 23 with Bank of America in the spring edition of the 24 newsletter of the comptroller of the currency. . 0101 1 What we need in banking partnerships and 2 what has been provided by Bank of America is a 3 strategic banking relationship -- not only direct 4 deposit disbursement accounts, but also advantage 5 construction financing, access to long-term GAAP 6 financing through the bank's membership in the 7 Federal Home Loan Bank system, and even direct 8 investment, as Mr. Wainwright mentioned, in low 9 income and historic credits. 10 Bank of America's community development 11 group has strengthened our development teams, with 12 the benefit of national expertise brought to bear on 13 our local solutions. Their products have been 14 tailored to help us meet housing needs of a rural 15 dispersed population. Strategic alignment with our 16 mission makes the bank a valued source of credit and 17 participation in our initiatives. In our precious 18 little part of rural America, Bank of America, 19 together with us, has been providing affordable 20 housing, which in our corner of the world equals 21 economic development. 22 Our development and management dollars 23 strengthen our mountain communities. As to benefits 24 to clients and individuals, the individuals and . 0102 1 families, we're proud to say that many are focusing 2 their efforts on educational and employment goals 3 through self-sufficiency initiatives. Each year we 4 are graduating several households from dependency on 5 domestic assistance and using the bank's products -- 6 and that's provided by the Fannie Mae Foundation. 7 And many are going on to become first-time 8 home-buyers. 9 We are excited about Bank of America's 10 ongoing commitment to affordable housing. In these 11 tenuous times, we feel like working together with 12 the bank, we are doing our small part for homeland 13 security. Without decent affordable housing, how 14 can we be secure. 15 Thank you very much for your time and 16 attention. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 18 much. 19 Questions from the panel? 20 (No response) 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We'll start with 22 Mr. Brown. If you will state your name and 23 affiliation. 24 MR. BROWN: Good morning. My name is . 0103 1 Richard Brown. And I am here on behalf of the North 2 Carolina Fair Housing Center. Let me begin at the 3 end and finish at the beginning. 4 The North Carolina Fair Housing Center is 5 asking the Federal Reserve to require state-specific 6 strategic plans for meeting this ambitious, but 7 ambiguous CRA committee. And we ask that you seek 8 assurance from the Bank of America that it set aside 9 resources to become more competitive in its home 10 state. 11 On July 9, 1998 at a public hearing held by 12 the Federal Reserve in San Francisco, the director 13 of the North Carolina Fair Housing Center gave a 14 spirited speech, raising her concerns about the fate 15 of North Carolinians as a result of the merger 16 between NationsBank and Bank of America. I am here 17 mainly to give to you our assessment of how Bank of 18 America has addressed the issues raised during the 19 earlier hearing. 20 Bank of America continues to have a reduced 21 presence in North Carolina. It has reduced the 22 number of community development specialists to work 23 with local communities to one person to cover the 24 entire Carolina footprint, which includes both North . 0104 1 and South Carolina. Bank of America has made no 2 effort to increase its market presence in North 3 Carolina and remains No. 4. 4 Our long-term concern is that the expansion 5 of Bank of America into the northeast will sooner, 6 rather than later, lead to the abandonment of the 7 people of North Carolina. We continue to be worried 8 about our future with this bank. How long will it 9 be profitable to remain headquartered in a state in 10 which you are not competitive. Bank of America's 11 $750 billion commitment to the community 12 reinvestment continues to be all smoke and mirrors. 13 The North Carolina Fair Housing Center's 14 other main concern is around whether or not the 15 merger with Fleet is a good fit for Bank of America. 16 The North Carolina Fair Housing Center recently 17 completed testing of FleetBoston in New York as part 18 of a large lending study. We are pleased to report 19 that we have found no evidence of discrimination 20 among black, white and Latino testers. They were 21 all treated exactly the same. And they were all 22 treated horribly. 23 We believe that the management and the 24 leadership of Fleet has significantly underestimated . 0105 1 the intellectual capital of the Bank of America team 2 and that this will not be a smooth integration. 3 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Ms. Clement? 4 MS. CLEMENT: Thank you for the opportunity 5 to be here today. My name is Brenda Clement, and 6 I'm executive director of the housing network, which 7 is the Rhode Island Association of 25 Non-profit 8 Community Development Corporation. 9 Over 30 years ago I opened up my first 10 savings account with then Industrial National Bank, 11 which was a fine Rhode Island institution, having 12 been established in Rhode Island in the mid-1800s, I 13 believe. 14 Over this period of time over the past 30 15 years, I've watched as Industrial National has 16 changed and grown and become Fleet Bank and the 17 Fleet Bank that it is today; and in fact, have 18 watched many other banks and Rhode Island companies 19 and institutions grow and merge and be acquired by 20 others, but that observation has been with mixed 21 feelings. 22 In Rhode Island -- and we are proud to be 23 the smallest state in the country -- bigger is not 24 always better. During this period of time that . 0106 1 Fleet was growing and merging and acquiring, quite 2 frankly, we feel that they were not servicing the 3 banking needs and resources -- in providing the 4 resources that were needed by Rhode Islanders, 5 particularly those in the low- to moderate-income 6 neighborhoods in which our members focused their 7 efforts. 8 In 2002, for example, of the 17,673 home 9 purchase loans made in Rhode Island, Fleet's share 10 was only 525. Not very impressive for the largest 11 bank in Rhode Island. 12 It's true that Fleet has been a strong 13 colleague and supporter of charitable giving in 14 Rhode Island, and it's also true that Fleet has made 15 significant improvement over the last couple of 16 years with some strong local leadership, and we look 17 forward to continuing to work at that effort. 18 Our concern, however, is that now that 19 Fleet is being acquired by yet a bigger fish, that 20 we will get lost in that sea. We are concerned and 21 we want to be assured that Rhode Island's unique 22 capabilities and promises in neighborhoods and 23 communities will be met by Bank of America. 24 We have lots of great people in . 0107 1 neighborhoods and communities, but we also have lots 2 of challenges in Rhode Island. We have one of the 3 oldest housing stocks in the country, many of it is 4 historic housing stock, which presents its unique 5 rehab challenges. We have one of the highest lead 6 levels in the country and have challenges related to 7 that and other environmental issues. We also have 8 the highest escalation of housing prices in Rhode 9 Island that are dramatically impacted by flight from 10 Boston and other places, as people seek affordable 11 housing throughout the region. 12 We want assurances prior to the merger that 13 high-level officials will remain in Rhode Island and 14 have local decision-making authority and resources 15 that they have access to to address these concerns. 16 We want Bank of America not to be in Rhode 17 Island. We want them to be part of Rhode Island. 18 We want a Bank of Rhode Island, a Bank of 19 Massachusetts, a Bank of New Jersey. Bigger is not 20 always better, and we want assurances that local 21 control and local decisions will be made. 22 Thank you. 23 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 24 much. . 0108 1 Mr. Cofield? 2 MR. COFIELD: Good morning. I'm Juan 3 Cofield, President of the New England Area 4 Conference, commonly called "NEAC of the NAACP." 5 The New England Area Conference is the 6 coordinating/governing body for all of the branches 7 of the NAACP in the states of Rhode Island, 8 Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Maine and Vermont. 9 And I'd like for you to know that the executive 10 committee of the New England Area Conference met on 11 Saturday, and there was a unanimous vote to support 12 the position that I've taken here today. 13 NEAC is part of two coalitions that span 14 the Commonwealth of Massachusetts and advocate for 15 people of color and low and moderate income 16 communities. One of the coalitions presented a 17 written proposal to the Bank of America and 18 requested that the Bank enter into a written 19 agreement to guide its banking activities in the 20 Commonwealth of Massachusetts. The Bank has agreed 21 to adopt certain elements of the proposals, and 22 discussions are continuing regarding certain other 23 elements. The Bank is to be complimented for its 24 commitment on the agreed-upon elements of the . 0109 1 proposal. However, until such time as the 2 discussions have reached a reasonable conclusion, 3 NEAC asserts that the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston 4 should delay and suspend action on the application 5 for approval of the proposed merger. 6 Two requested commitments about which 7 discussions are continuing relate to the Bank's 8 employment level of people of color and women and 9 the procurement of goods and services from 10 businesses owned by people of color and women. 11 Statistics clearly show that the percentage of 12 people of color and women employed by the Bank of 13 America nationally and FleetBoston in Massachusetts 14 are not matched by these categories of citizens' 15 percentages of the population. An even worse 16 disparity is reflected regarding the goods and 17 services purchased from businesses owned by people 18 of color and women. 19 NEAC and the coalition have requested that 20 the Bank set a goal and develop a plan such that the 21 Bank's employment -- and this employment is at all 22 level, including senior and executive level 23 management -- of people of color reflect the 24 percentage of people of color in the general . 0110 1 population in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. A 2 similar request has been made regarding the Bank's 3 procurement of goods and services. Other large 4 banks operating in Massachusetts are diligently 5 working to end these disparities. We should expect 6 no less from the Bank of America. 7 These disparities are certainly not unique 8 to Massachusetts. And the Bank of America alone did 9 not create the disparity in our nation. It is a 10 problem of our American society and economy. 11 However, Bank of America must be a part of the 12 solution. The lack of employment in business 13 opportunities have attributed to economic 14 destabilization in communities dominated by people 15 of color. 16 The Community Reinvestment Act begins by 17 reciting Congress' three findings in passing the 18 law. First, banks are required to serve, quote, the 19 convenience and need, end quote, of the communities 20 in which they are chartered to serve. Economic 21 stabilization is a dire need in many communities of 22 color. Adequate employment and business 23 opportunities will greatly attribute to stabilizing 24 these communities. Since Bank of America in its . 0111 1 normal course of business provides employment 2 opportunities and opportunities for businesses to 3 sell the Bank goods and services, NEAC and the 4 coalition maintain that the Bank has an affirmative 5 obligation under the CRA to provide these same 6 opportunities on an equal basis to communities 7 dominated by people of color. NEAC is willing to 8 work with the bank to achieve these goals. 9 Further evidence of Bank of America's 10 affirmative obligation to provide employment and 11 business opportunities is found in the investment 12 test of CRA regulations for large banks. The 13 investment test evaluates the bank's community 14 development investments. Of the four measures of a 15 bank's investment, two are directly relevant: The 16 bank's responsiveness to community development needs 17 and the degree to which investments are not provided 18 by other private investors. 19 Bank of America can present no reasonable 20 argument that providing equal access to jobs and 21 business opportunities to destabilize communities, 22 dominated by people of color, is not addressing a 23 community need. Also, these investments are not 24 being sufficiently provided by other private . 0112 1 investors. NEAC and the coalition seek a reasonable 2 investment plan, of employment and business 3 opportunities, from the Bank, to address these stark 4 community needs. At this point, Bank of America has 5 not presented NEAC and the coalition any plan 6 whatsoever. 7 Again, until such time that Bank of America 8 presents such a plan and NEAC and the coalition have 9 an opportunity for comment, the Federal Reserve 10 should defer further consideration of this merger. 11 The application is premature. 12 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 13 much. 14 Ms. Cohen? 15 MS. COHEN: Good morning. My name is 16 Nadine Cohen. I am here testifying today on behalf 17 of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law 18 of the Boston Bar Association, and also the Fair 19 Housing Center of Greater Boston. Both are member 20 organizations of the Community Advisory Committee. 21 We urge the Federal Reserve Board to deny 22 the merger application unless and until Bank of 23 America agrees to implement specific measurable 24 community investment plans that meet the credit . 0113 1 needs of communities of color in Massachusetts, as 2 well as the needs of low and moderate income 3 communities. 4 Bank of America's general community 5 reinvestment and fair lending performance is uneven, 6 at best, and in many areas throughout the country, 7 poor. Bank of America has made substantially fewer 8 home purchase loans to minority borrowers than other 9 lenders in a number of the areas that they serve. 10 While we certainly think it is laudable 11 that the bank has given money to groups such as 12 ACORN, NACA, LARASA and others, that does not 13 relieve Bank of America of their obligation to serve 14 all segments of the community on an equal basis. 15 We call on Bank of America to agree to 16 specific measurable written community investment 17 plans that meet the needs of communities of color. 18 We call on Bank of America to make a commitment to a 19 specific dollar amount of home mortgage and small 20 business lending to communities of color in 21 Massachusetts and to put into place an aggressive 22 program to meet that goal. 23 I want to note that lending to low and 24 moderate income communities is not always the same . 0114 1 as lending to communities of color. And I think 2 sometimes we lose that distinction, and communities 3 of color are severely disadvantaged and underserved. 4 In Boston, the share of home purchase loans 5 that went to black borrowers fell to the lowest 6 level on record. Blacks, who make up 21.4 per of 7 Boston's households, according to the 2000 census, 8 received just 10.3 percent of all loans. 9 African-Americans are the most residentially 10 segregated group in the United States, and they are 11 far less likely to own a home. When they do get 12 mortgages, they often receive far less favorable 13 terms than comparable whites. 14 If Bank of America were to come into our 15 community, they must make specific efforts to 16 increase minority homeownership through the 17 development of new low-cost mortgage products; to 18 ensure equal access to home purchase, home 19 improvement, home equity and refinancing loans for 20 people of color; and to ensure that people of color 21 are not steered to high interest loan products. 22 Unfortunately, Massachusetts has a long and 23 shameful history of redlining and racial 24 discrimination in mortgage lending. . 0115 1 In 1992 the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, 2 as I'm sure we all know, found that 3 African-Americans and Latinos were 60 percent more 4 likely to be denied mortgages even when factors such 5 as credit history, income and savings were 6 considered. 7 The Feds should ensure that Bank of America 8 addresses its own history of high mortgage denial 9 rates for African-Americans and Latinos and ensure 10 that it will adhere to all non-discrimination laws 11 in mortgage lending before any merger is approved. 12 We also support a work force diversity goal 13 of 20 percent for people of color within all 14 employment levels, including management, and 15 diversity in procurement with a goal of 20 percent 16 from businesses owned by persons of color. 17 Again, it is important to note that by 18 combining statistics for women-owned businesses and 19 women in employment with people of color, we don't 20 always see the real picture. So I would be cautious 21 about that. 22 Bank of America must also stop doing 23 business with subprime lenders who engage in 24 predatory lending practices. And they must . 0116 1 institute safeguards against the purchase of 2 predatory loans. We call on the bank to adopt 3 specific and strict due diligence standards and 4 procedures before adopting any subprime loans. 5 Specifically, there should be no purchasing of loans 6 with little or no income verification, loans with 7 single premium credit life insurance or with 8 mandatory arbitration clauses and prepayment 9 penalties. 10 We cannot rely on goodwill alone. We must 11 see specific written agreements with specific dollar 12 amounts and goals. As our friends in North Carolina 13 and other places have told us, too often, when Bank 14 of America has acquired other banks, communities of 15 color have lost out. 16 As we are about to celebrate Dr. Martin 17 Luther King's birthday, we should keep in mind what 18 he said. "Every person" -- and I would add 19 corporation -- "must decide whether he will walk in 20 the light of creative altruism or the darkness of 21 destructive selfishness." This is the judgment. 22 Life's most persistent and urgent question is, "What 23 are you doing for others?" 24 We call on Bank of America to tell us . 0117 1 specifically what they will be doing for others 2 right here in Massachusetts. 3 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 4 much. 5 Ms. Pizer? 6 MS. PIZER: Hi. My name is Hillary Pizer, 7 and I'm here testifying for the Massachusetts 8 Affordable Housing Alliance. 9 Members of the Mass. Affordable Housing 10 Alliance reached agreement yesterday with Bank of 11 America whereby the bank will make 3,000 SoftSecond 12 Program mortgage loan programs over the next ten 13 years. 14 The SoftSecond Program is the state's most 15 affordable mortgage program, so yesterday was an 16 important day for low and moderate income families 17 struggling to achieve the security and safety of 18 owning their own home. 19 In the current environment, where home 20 prices have soared and the share of loans to low and 21 moderate income buyers and to buyers who are black 22 and Latino has been dropping, Bank of America's 23 substantial commitment to the SoftSecond Program is 24 especially important. We are pleased to be . 0118 1 partnering with them to make these opportunities 2 available for the people we serve. 3 Many people know the SoftSecond Program was 4 originally negotiated between the Mass. Affordable 5 Housing Alliance and bankers in 1990 in the wake of 6 a Federal Reserve Bank of Boston study documenting 7 racial disparities in mortgage lending in Boston. 8 We are very pleased to be here and to say 9 that since that time, Boston and across 10 Massachusetts there have been 7,000 low and moderate 11 income households who have been served by the 12 program. In Boston the SoftSecond Program has 13 served almost twice as many low and moderate income 14 buyers in 2002 as the other targeted mortgage 15 programs combined. It has served twice as many 16 borrows of color as the other targeted mortgage 17 programs combined. That was what we set out to do 18 in 1990 with this program. 19 With that said about the SoftSecond Program 20 agreement, we also want to make clear that there are 21 other important community reinvestment issues that 22 impact our members. There are a number of areas 23 that have already been alluded to where discussions 24 with Bank of America are in a much earlier stage. . 0119 1 These include bank branches and services in low and 2 moderate income communities and communities of 3 color, conversion of interstate banking money to 4 equity available to the Mass. Housing Partnership. 5 It's important to us, because the SoftSecond Program 6 is a wonderful program, but we also need more 7 affordable homes constructed. There are issues with 8 diversity in hiring and procurement and with 9 charitable giving. 10 Bank of America has pledged to work with 11 MAHA and other organizations to create a more 12 comprehensive Massachusetts investment plan. We 13 moved forward in a meeting yesterday morning, but 14 there's still a lot of work to do. 15 The agreement we reached on the SoftSecond 16 Program shows that Bank of America can and does make 17 specific state-by-state commitments on community 18 lending. That was something that was in doubt when 19 we started the discussions at the end of November. 20 We hope the Federal Reserve Board will 21 encourage the bank to come to agreement with 22 non-profit partners in Massachusetts on the 23 outstanding issues that we all care about. 24 Further, we hope that the Federal Reserve . 0120 1 Board will encourage Bank of America to develop 2 detailed investment plans with our colleagues in 3 other states who are also seeking specific, 4 measurable commitments. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 6 much. 7 Mr. Hamilton. 8 MR. HAMILTON: Thank you. My name is 9 Harmon Hamilton, Pastor of Presbyterian Church, 10 representing the Greater Boston Interfaith 11 Organization. And sitting with me is Reverend Dr. 12 Roberto Miranda, the president of Parks Ministerial 13 Alliance for Latino-Americans that is for the New 14 England region. 15 We, together, with a number of clergy 16 yesterday, represented both organizations, COPANI 17 and GBIO, which together collectively represents 18 about 750,000 people and over $200 million in 19 resources. 20 I met with officials from Bank of America 21 and laid out various areas that have been 22 challenging for the folks we represent. While we 23 commended Gail Snowden and Michael Galivan for their 24 tremendous work in our communities, we outlined a . 0121 1 number of areas that had been deficits from our 2 perspective as it relates to Fleet's services to our 3 communities. These particular areas fell in several 4 categories. 5 First, remittance of products, where 6 immigrant Americans are having trouble sending money 7 back home, being charged high interest rates. The 8 involvement of Latino-Americans in natural banking 9 institutions and the large amount of 10 Latino-Americans who feel cut out and locked out of 11 that institution. After-school programming, the 12 monies that have been invested and the significant 13 amount of dollars that need to be invested, 14 particularly around Latino-American and 15 Haitian-American involvement. Affordable housing, 16 as well as capital investment at lending rates 17 through congregations who are trying to rehabilitate 18 their buildings and to strengthen themselves in the 19 area of environmental accessibility and rehab 20 categories. 21 We were convinced by the representation of 22 those that we met with on yesterday that Bank of 23 America will have a strong commitment to working 24 with us in regards to these issues. As a matter of . 0122 1 fact, they put in place a series of meetings that 2 should lead to significant concessions in these 3 areas. We were also persuaded by their commitment 4 to leave in place Gail Snowden and Michael Galivan 5 and others who locally have developed a significant 6 relationship with us. 7 So we find no reason to oppose this merger 8 at this point. Rather, we look quite favorably on 9 the merger, and our request is that the Federal 10 Reserve Board will pay close attention to the 11 details of these commitments and other commitments 12 that Bank of America has made over the course of the 13 next 30 days to determine the credibility of such 14 efforts as they will happen here in the state and 15 around the country. Thank you. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 17 much. Did you have some remarks? 18 MR. MIRANDA: Thank you. I will take the 19 opportunity. Just a couple of concerns I would like 20 to express. 21 Number 1, we were very impressed with the 22 sincerity projected by the members of the Bank of 23 America who were present at the meeting yesterday. 24 One concern that I do have of the Hispanics . 0123 1 is that if Bank of America seeks to establish a 2 relationship with Hispanics here in the New England 3 area, it be very much aware of the diversity of the 4 Hispanic community; that they do not rely on 5 achievements that often relate more to the 6 Mexican-American component of the Hispanic community 7 of the United States -- California, Texas, even 8 Chicago -- and that they really be aware that 9 Hispanics in the northeast are a different 10 composition. 11 We have here a predominant number of 12 Caribbean people, people from central America and a 13 good number of South Americans as well. So this 14 really presents a challenge and an opportunity for 15 Bank of America to engage us in a new, creative sort 16 of way and to see us as something to be acknowledged 17 for what we are, and that we enter into a 18 relationship that recognizes our specificity as a 19 community here. And that therefore Bank of America 20 do not rely on past achievements in that regard. 21 One last thing concerns is our need to hear 22 of a specific, concrete commitment on the part of 23 Bank of America, as it refers to financial 24 investment in this community, that the Bank of . 0124 1 America does not rely again on systems that have 2 been established in other contexts to sort of 3 bolster its image of being altruistic and being 4 engaged in the community, but really that they take 5 a close look at how they can invest here, how they 6 can increase their investments, how they can adjust 7 their investments to the conflicts that they are 8 facing here. So these would be two concerns I'd 9 like to express. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Would you repeat 11 your name for the record. 12 MR. MIRANDA: My name is Roberto Miranda, 13 and I represent COPANI. 14 MS. ROBINSON: I have a question for Mr. 15 Cofield. 16 You said in your meetings yesterday that 17 you had reached agreement on two matters. What were 18 those matters? 19 MR. COFIELD: No. We reached agreement on 20 several matters. There were certainly two that 21 remained outstanding, which I wanted to present. 22 And those two were employment opportunities and 23 opportunities to sell goods and services on an equal 24 basis. . 0125 1 MS. ROBINSON: What matters did you reach 2 agreement? 3 MR. COFIELD: The things you've heard 4 today, the SoftSecond Program, maintaining 5 membership in the Home Loan Bank Board. 6 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Well, thank you 7 very much for coming this morning. 8 MR. BUTTS: Good morning. My name is 9 George Butts, and I'm Director of Housing Counseling 10 for ACORN Housing in Pennsylvania. 11 I wanted to give a quick overview of why we 12 have confidence that the merger between Bank of 13 America and FleetBoston will improve lending 14 opportunities in our communities. 15 In 1991 our leadership sat down with Ken 16 Lewis and his team at NCNB, and we hammered out our 17 first multi-state community reinvestment agreement 18 for low income mortgage lending with what became 19 NationsBank. At the time this agreement was pretty 20 radical, but today no one thinks twice about the 21 appropriate use of low downpayments, non-traditional 22 credit, food stamps as income, voluntarily child 23 support, or cash on hand. 24 In the early days, plenty of lenders talked . 0126 1 the talk, but NationsBank rewrote their mortgage 2 program and within a year we were doing 300 and 400 3 mortgages a year in cities like Houston and Dallas, 4 Texas, where other lenders told us about how low 5 income people could not handle owning a house. 6 Bank of America has recognized that 7 community organizations are the vehicle for real 8 access to the community. We have too many banks 9 which believe that a few loans to a community 10 development corporation or a few small grants mean a 11 partnership. Bank of America has invested in 12 building the infrastructure for non-profit community 13 organizations to grow and to produce. We are now 14 working with them in 17 cities, and the results are 15 there today under Ken Lewis's leadership. We are 16 doing 4,850 mortgages worth over $655 million this 17 year alone. These are overwhelming African-American 18 and Latino, low and moderate income home-buyers. 19 FleetBoston has made its own unique 20 contribution to mortgage lending. The northeast 21 United States housing stock in Boston, Providence. 22 Bridgeport, New Haven, Jersey City, and Paterson is 23 high-priced two- and three-unit houses. Fleet has 24 been a national leader in letting us use the income . 0127 1 from the rental units to subsidize the mortgage 2 payment and make these houses affordable to low and 3 moderate income buyers. 4 And Fleet has gone further than any lender 5 in the country to work with our housing counselors 6 to do exception lending -- common sense loans, which 7 fall outside of the rules, but make sense if you 8 know the full story. These are the loans which used 9 to be done by your neighborhood lender, but in the 10 world of automated underwriting have stopped being 11 done. There are $76 million in loans this year with 12 FleetBoston, and we're confident that Bank of 13 America can help us increase these numbers. 14 We know there's plenty more to be done to 15 keep homeownership affordable to low and moderate 16 income people in the northeast, to increase access 17 for recent immigrants, improving the quality of home 18 equity lending, combatting predatory lending, and 19 meeting the needs of people with credit problems. 20 But we also see that the merger of these two 21 problem-solving institutions improves our chances of 22 addressing these issues. 23 Those were my prepared remarks. My real 24 remarks is that, you know, we've had a relationship . 0128 1 with them for a long, long time. I understand their 2 commitment has been long and deep and real on both 3 sides. I'm excited about this. I've been waiting 4 for them to come to Philly for a long time. So I'm 5 happy, because I know our life is going to be better 6 that they're going to be there. 7 The example with Fleet that we know, 8 because we do some stuff with them in Philly -- I'm 9 going to finish -- is that we have just not the 10 exception pool, but the banks in Philly have a 11 program which help provide alternatives to predatory 12 lending. Fleet is involved in that. They think 13 outside the box. They stepped up when the other 14 banks did not and reduced the amount of credit 15 scores people would have to have to get into the 16 program, which is a viable alternative to predatory 17 lending. 18 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 19 much. 20 MS. HURD: Good morning. My name is Maude 21 Hurd. I'm the national president of ACORN. 22 You probably know that when banks are 23 merging, ACORN looks at the record and usually say 24 the banks should do better and usually don't support . 0129 1 mergers. 2 But ACORN and ACORN Housing have a long 3 history of working with both Bank of America and 4 Fleet. And I am here to tell you that we support 5 this bank merger. 6 Bank of America is our largest lender. 7 This year the ACORN Housing Program had done over 8 4,850 mortgages with Bank of America, worth over 9 $665 million dollars. Since 1991, we have done over 10 30,000 mortgages with Bank of America, and these 11 mortgages are worth over $3 billion. 12 This is a real community partnership. Bank 13 of America and our leadership and staff work 14 together in 17 cities. I want to tell you that 15 these are the loans that need to be made. They are 16 loans to single parents, to people without lots of 17 downpayment money, to people in older neighborhoods, 18 to people who just came to this country, to people 19 who are the first people in their family to own a 20 home. And they are not easy loans. 21 For the loans that Fannie Mae and Freddie 22 Mac wouldn't buy, Bank of America put them on their 23 portfolio. For the loans that mortgage insurers 24 wouldn't insure, Bank of America approved the loans . 0130 1 without mortgage insurance. And the best news is 2 that these homeowners pay their mortgage on time. 3 We have less than 2 percent delinquent rate for 60 4 days or greater delinquencies. This is a real 5 success story. 6 I want to talk about our friends at 7 Fleet/BankBoston. Fleet is our second largest 8 lending partner. We have closed 462 mortgages in 9 our ACORN Housing Program with Fleet this year. 10 This is $76 million in loans. We work with Fleet in 11 Massachusetts, Rhode Island, Connecticut, New York, 12 New Jersey and Pennsylvania. As you know, these are 13 high-priced markets with many two or three housing 14 units. Fleet has been the leader in the mortgage 15 market in making these homes affordable to low and 16 moderate income home buyers. 17 This is a proud tradition, which for us 18 dates back to 1995, when Fleet and ACORN signed our 19 first agreement. Both Fleet and Bank of America are 20 lenders who have proven that they can do the loans 21 that need to be done and work with community groups 22 to get where they can't reach. So I would like to 23 thank you for that. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very . 0131 1 much. 2 Mr. Hagan? 3 MR. HAGAN: My name is James Hagan. I have 4 been the president of the Greater Providence, Rhode 5 Island, Chamber of Commence for the past 16 years. 6 We represent 3,400 businesses throughout Rhode 7 Island for the purpose of creating and maintaining a 8 healthy economic atmosphere in our region. 9 Fleet Bank has been a major partner in 10 creating investment and strengthening the cultural 11 and social infrastructure of our community. They 12 have been a leader on affordable housing issues, 13 minority business lending, and community 14 development. They have provided key leadership and 15 financial and human resources in the creation of the 16 Business Development Company of Rhode Island, the 17 Gordon Avenue Business Incubator, the Minority 18 Investment Development Council of Rhode Island, the 19 Options for Working Parents Program, the 20 Hispanic-American Chamber of Commerce and Leadership 21 Rhode Island, all programs or affiliates of our 22 Chamber, with the exception of the Gordon Avenue 23 Business incubator. 24 During my tenure with the Chamber, two . 0132 1 former Fleet executives have served as Chairman of 2 the Chamber, and the current chairman of Fleet, 3 Rhode Island, serves as chair-elect. Literally 4 hundreds of other Fleet employees have volunteered 5 their time, energy and expertise on a myriad of 6 Chamber community improvement projects. 7 In my opinion, Fleet has made an enormous 8 economic, cultural and social impact on our 9 community. I do indeed support the merger of these 10 two fine organizations because of my past experience 11 with Fleet and because of the strong reputation of 12 Bank of America and their commitment to the 13 community. I have talked with my colleague in 14 Charlotte regarding this matter, and he also 15 expressed the same high degree of enthusiasm for 16 Bank of America that we feel towards Fleet. I am 17 confident the combined companies will bring about 18 tremendous benefits to our region. 19 Grow Smart Rhode Island, a statewide public 20 interest group representing a broad coalition of 21 partners fighting sprawl and leading the charge for 22 better-managed growth, also recently reported that 23 they were encouraged by the commitment of Bank of 24 America to the smart growth movement. . 0133 1 Through community development lending, 2 contaminated properties redevelopment, growth 3 management and inner city revitalization, Bank of 4 America has demonstrated a commitment to sustainable 5 development initiatives in partnership with the 6 Urban Land Institute, according to Grow Smart Rhode 7 Island. 8 Also, the recent announcement by Bank 9 America that they would be lending and investing 10 $750 billion for community economic development over 11 the next ten years is further evidence of the impact 12 this merger will have on delivering a greater access 13 to capital and credit to low and moderate income 14 individuals, families and communities. 15 And lastly, the United Way of Southern New 16 England reports that between the combination of 17 Fleet's corporate giving and their employee giving, 18 Fleet contributes over $1 million a year to the 19 annual United Way campaign. This has been a 20 long-standing practice of Fleet that far surpasses 21 the activity of any other major Rhode Island 22 corporation and evidences a tremendous commitment to 23 the many social service agencies funded by the 24 United Way. . 0134 1 And on my way up here this morning I just 2 happened to notice that just yesterday Fleet 3 received the Governor's Housing Heroes Award sought 4 to raise awareness about the need for affordable 5 housing by hosting a housing forum for business 6 leaders and commissioning a study on the connection 7 between housing and economic development. 8 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 9 much. 10 MS. GERECKE: Good morning. My name is 11 Sarah Gerecke. I am the interim executive director 12 and chief operating officer of Neighborhood Housing 13 Services of New York City. 14 NHS of New York City was founded in 1982 15 and is a not-for-profit housing organization whose 16 mission is to promote investment in underserved 17 communities throughout the five boroughs. 18 In 2003, NHS of New York City was directly 19 responsible for an investment of over $215 million 20 in underserved neighborhoods and educated more than 21 13,000 New Yorkers in pre-purchase and post-purchase 22 homeownership classes. About 80 percent of those 23 were people of color. I have a more detailed 24 background report in your package. . 0135 1 My organization does not generally testify 2 on merger applications. We work with coalitions, 3 several of whom are here today, to represent us, and 4 they do a excellent job. However, we felt strongly 5 that the experience that NHS of New York City has 6 had with both Fleet and Bank of America was 7 important to put before you directly as you review 8 this merger application. We're testifying in 9 support of the merger application at our own 10 initiative and without any payment or reimbursement 11 of expenses from either bank. 12 NHS of New York City does its work in 13 partnership with the financial industry, government 14 and residents. Both FleetBoston and Bank of America 15 have played key and unusual roles in helping us 16 reach underserved New Yorkers. 17 Since 1996, FleetBoston has been one of our 18 staunchest and most reliable partners in investing 19 in these neighborhoods. We're also pleased to note 20 that the Bank of America through its mortgage 21 banking business in New York City has been a steady 22 partner to NHS since 1991. I would like to 23 highlight just a few examples of our partnership for 24 the purposes of this hearing. . 0136 1 FleetBoston's partnership with NHS allows 2 us both to reach minority and new immigrant 3 homeowners throughout the city, especially in 4 developing our innovative financial fitness literacy 5 education program. Their charitable commitment has 6 been over $1 million. In addition, when NHS of New 7 York City first engaged in real estate development 8 activities, FleetBoston and their team in real 9 estate finance worked closely in creating the 10 Storeworks Program, an innovative real estate 11 program to develop commercial space below 12 residential units that were donated by the City of 13 New York. 14 Fleet continues to partner with us in new 15 pilot programs for first-time home-buyers. Not only 16 have both banks financially supported NHS programs, 17 but they also have extensive and unusual depth of 18 expertise that they have contributed to our 19 organization, permitting NHS to remain at the 20 cutting edge of community development and 21 investment. 22 FleetBoston volunteers include Jay Sarles, 23 who serves on our advisory board, and Bill McCahill, 24 who is the vice president of the NHS Board of . 0137 1 Directors and serves as the chair of several of our 2 committees. Susan Retzky of the Bank of America has 3 been a member of our Resource Development Committee 4 for a decade. Many other members of both banks 5 serve on various committees that affect our nine 6 locations throughout New York City. 7 Our relationship has been strong and we 8 find their commitment to be genuine. It is critical 9 to increase -- their large investments help us reach 10 our goal of serving low and moderate income families 11 throughout New York City. 12 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 13 much. 14 MR. SCHLEY: Good morning. My name is 15 Stephen J. Schley. I'm the Executive Director of 16 Richmond Economic Development Corporation, also 17 known as REDC. We are located in the state of 18 Richmond, Virginia. I speak in support of the 19 merger between FleetBoston and Bank of America, 20 because we feel that such a merger will benefit the 21 small businesses and low income communities that 22 Fleet Bank -- FleetBoston is presently serving. 23 Our support is based upon the experience 24 and relationship that we have had and enjoyed with . 0138 1 the bank since the inception of our lending 2 activities in 1996. 3 By way of information, REDC is a licensed 4 financial intermediary of the U.S. Small Business 5 Administration's microenterprise development loan 6 program. Under that program, we can provide 7 financing up to $35,000. We also provide training 8 and ongoing technical assistant services. 9 Bank of America provided initial seed 10 funding to REDC back in 1996 in support of that 11 program, which essentially facilitated us obtaining 12 the license through the SBA. 13 In 2000 REDC became a certified community 14 development financial institution, which facilitated 15 the establishment of our second loan pool, that we 16 call the Business Enterprise Zone Loan program. 17 Under that program, we provide financing up to 18 $100,000. Again, it targets businesses that lack 19 accessibility to traditional bank financing. Bank 20 of America also is participating in a bank 21 consortium that provides about $1.7 million in 22 funding for that program. 23 The support that we have received from Bank 24 of America and others over the years has facilitated . 0139 1 the growth of REDC into an organization with assets 2 exceeding two and a half million dollars. We have 3 lowered our standards by $2 million. We manage 4 another $4.8 million in community develop loan 5 programs for the City of Richmond. It's because of 6 that support that we receive from the Bank of 7 America that has provided to the REDC and other 8 community development entities in the City of 9 Richmond -- if that support is indicative of what 10 can be expected in the northeast area, I would 11 support -- encourage the merger of Fleet, and it 12 should have significant impact on small businesses 13 located in this market and the low income 14 communities that they operate. 15 Therefore, I would encourage the Boston 16 community to support and embrace the proposed merger 17 between the two banks. 18 MR. SERVAIS: Good morning. I'm Mike 19 Servais with the Salvation Army in Nashville, 20 Tennessee, testifying in support of the Bank of 21 America. 22 I know absolutely nothing about mergers. 23 Thank you, by the way for today. I admire all of 24 you who are helping us make this possible. The . 0140 1 Salvation Army -- its greatest assets have always 2 been, since 1965, faith, trust and stewardship. 3 Those aren't just words. Those are corporate 4 behaviors and belief systems. And we are 5 faith-based. 6 We have no economic relationship with the 7 Bank of America that's on your radar screen at all. 8 We're not here because of a merger or an economic 9 relationship with the bank. We're here because of 10 Willy's margin. I do know a little bit about 11 margin. I understand margin. And Willy, one of our 12 best customers in Nashville, Tennessee, understands 13 margin, too, because it's because of Bank of 14 America, among other partners of ours, that he's 15 going to have a margin that's going to have a 16 profound impact on himself and his three children 17 very shortly. 18 Bank of America's impact and the Salvation 19 Army's promise to you, in our opinion, are as 20 follows: One, Bank of America has provided the 21 economic stimulus to redevelop the dignity and 22 self-worth -- I heard those words earlier today -- 23 to redevelop the dignity and self-worth of our 24 community that we serve. . 0141 1 The Salvation Army, on the other hand, but 2 in partnership, is going to guard that dignity and 3 self-worth religiously -- and we mean that 4 literally -- as we continue our relationship with 5 Bank of America and with all of our community 6 partners and our 20,000 community customers. We are 7 very serious about that accountability, and we will 8 hold a bank account for it, at least by prayer. 9 I want to paint a quick picture, to get 10 back to Willy's margin. I want us to see this 11 through Willy's eyes for a change -- just a little 12 break in the rhythm of things. The mother of these 13 three children is a crack addict, and we don't know 14 how much longer in her life she'll continue to be a 15 crack addict, but she has been for six solid years. 16 Willy is working really hard on a second 17 shift at Vanderbilt University in maintenance as a 18 supervisor. That was a big community celebration; 19 that Willy makes supervisor. And he is now 20 positioned, because of the community 21 redevelopment -- it's not the bank giving him any 22 money; it's community redevelopment, the stimulus 23 that the bank helped bring in, that is empowering 24 Willy to take his three girls out of foster care, . 0142 1 with their permission, and move from a slumlord 2 apartment next-door literally to a completely new 3 home, three-bedroom. And that's going to happen 4 within a few weeks. I'm here to protect that margin 5 and that possibility. 6 Thank you very much. 7 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Ms. Bourdon. 8 MS. BOURDON: My name is Sister Mary 9 Bourdon, and I'm the administrator of a small middle 10 school for girls in the Anacostia section of 11 Washington, D.C. 12 I am very happy to have this opportunity to 13 tell you about the important contributions that the 14 Bank of America has made to our school. The 15 Washington middle school for girls is 100 percent 16 African-American population. It is housed in the 17 Washington View Apartment Complex, a property owned 18 and renovated by the Bank of America. 19 The entire building, which is called the 20 Make a Difference Center, has been dedicated by the 21 bank to provide services needed by the residents of 22 this complex and others in the neighborhood. Not 23 only does the bank contribute this school space 24 rent-free; they had it constructed to our own . 0143 1 specifications. 2 The executive officers of the Bank of 3 America have become our very good friends. They 4 often come by to encourage and support our students. 5 They show up at our rehearsals, our recitals, our 6 basketball games. They are there with us in this 7 very important journey for these young girls. 8 Their support is especially remarkable 9 because the Anacostia section of Washington, D.C. is 10 the most troubled and least prosperous area of D.C. 11 Most of our students come from 12 single-adult-family-headed households living below 13 the poverty level. Children growing up in this 14 neighborhood experience problems of wide-spread 15 unemployment, substance abuse, teen pregnancy, 16 street and domestic violence. The test scores for 17 students in this section of Washington, D.C., are 18 the lowest. 19 With the help of Bank of America, we are 20 trying to provide quality education to girls who are 21 at risk of dropping out of school prematurely. None 22 of our work would be possible without the assistance 23 of the Bank of America. If it were necessary for us 24 to pay rent, we simply could not do the work that we . 0144 1 are doing. 2 We are very privileged, also, to be part of 3 a neighborhood that has been renovated by the Bank 4 of America. Some years ago the bank purchased this 5 large apartment complex which was run-down and 6 poorly supervised, high crime rates. Each of the 7 residential units has been renovated, and the 8 complex is now a pleasant, quiet place for tenants 9 and their families, with a mixed income. We have 10 found student families in this neighborhood. We 11 have also found volunteers and mentors for our 12 students. 13 In short, we couldn't do any of our work 14 without the Bank of America. Tomorrow our school 15 will be receiving the Martin Luther King Day Award 16 in Washington, D.C., and the Bank of America 17 deserves a part of this. 18 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 19 much. 20 Mr. Guenther? 21 MR. GUENTHER: Good morning. My name is 22 Bill Guenther. I'm president of Mass Insight 23 Corporation and also president of the Mass Insight 24 Education and Research Institute. The corporation . 0145 1 is a think tank focused on Massachusetts. And the 2 Education and Research Institute is the major 3 statewide group working on raising student 4 achievement using new statewide standards and MCAS 5 tests here. 6 We support the merger of these two 7 important institutions and are confident that the 8 critical role of Fleet and its CEO, Chad Gifford, 9 will play in education reform here will be carried 10 on by the merged institutions as partners with us 11 and many others in the state, two bookends for ten 12 years of education reform here in Massachusetts. In 13 1993 a small group of business leaders went up to 14 the State House, met with legislative leaders and 15 the governor. Jack Rennie, unfortunately deceased 16 now, was the leader of that effort on behalf of the 17 business community. Chad Gifford and his 18 predecessor bank, BankBoston, were there as part of 19 that group in helping to lead the effort, as they 20 had done for educational reform in Boston in the 21 prior decade. 22 Just this last fall, the Class of 2003 -- 23 for all of you here from Massachusetts, as you know, 24 the Class of 2003 graduated, as the first class that . 0146 1 had to meet the MCAS English and math standards and 2 exit tests in high school, with more than 95 percent 3 of the class graduating on schedule. 4 That was an extraordinary achievement, and 5 many in Massachusetts deserve credit for it. But 6 Fleet and its leadership, along with a few others, 7 deserve special recognition. Soon thereafter, our 8 state leaders group -- that interestingly, Cathy 9 Minehan from the Federal Reserve Bank here hosts and 10 has done twice a year over the last six years -- met 11 this fall. Fleet hosted that meeting, announced a 12 major new initiative focused on math achievement, of 13 which we are one of the many partners they will have 14 around the state. So they have not forgotten the 15 promise to students in schools around the state. 16 While we finished the first decade of 17 education reform, Fleet and their other partners are 18 focused on the next decade and the next challenges. 19 The key attributes that have made a difference is 20 bipartisan leadership, strong presence from the 21 business community, sustained support -- and that 22 means financial support, but it also means 23 personal commitments of leadership -- and a focus on 24 community and schools, because in education, all . 0147 1 things are local in the end. The states can only 2 play so much of a role. 3 Several quick examples of important 4 initiatives Fleet has partnered with us on -- a 5 parent information newsletter that went out twice a 6 year over the last five years to one million parents 7 across the state working with the Department of 8 Education; an Effective Schools Program to document 9 what effective schools are doing and how to 10 translate those practices to other schools; and 11 finally, to keep the promise initiative, focused on 12 helping the class of 2003 with extra help programs, 13 assuring they're funded, and a three-year effort to 14 research effective practices; what's working and 15 what's not. 16 We look forward to partnering with the new 17 institution over the next decade. And again, I'm 18 confident that the same leadership will be there 19 that we have been so pleased to proceed with over 20 the last decade. 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 22 much. 23 We have a subgroup from the same panel. 24 Mr. Marks was on Panel 6. He asked to have three . 0148 1 people join him, plus a translator. I see that the 2 group has expanded somewhat, but the time has not. 3 So you have ten minutes in total. 4 MR. MARKS: I can't say it's good to be 5 here, because there's been too many mergers and 6 acquisitions in the past and we've been here too 7 often. 8 But given that, my name is Bruce Marks. 9 I'm the CEO of the Neighborhood Assistance 10 Corporation of America, NACA. I think it's best 11 that we would have a major institution based in New 12 England, based in Boston, but that's not the 13 reality. 14 Given the reality, the best possible 15 circumstance would be that Bank of America comes 16 here, because we have had and we've seen them over 17 the ten years. They are an institution that is good 18 to their word. Let me not read the written piece. 19 Let me speak from our experience. 20 Our experience is that they do what they 21 say they're going to do. And when they said that 22 they were going to respect working people, they not 23 only say it, but they put it into practice. So they 24 put together a mortgage product that is the best in . 0149 1 America; that working people, some of whom are here 2 today as the homeowners, can get a mortgage with no 3 downpayment, with no closing costs. Bank of America 4 pays all the closing costs, pays all the fees. 5 There's no PMI. You don't need perfect credit. And 6 the interest rate is 1 point below market. So 7 today's interest rate is 4.875 percent fixed, 30 8 years APR. You can't beat it. Bank of America does 9 it. They do $6 billion worth of that that has been 10 committed. That's a huge amount of money. And that 11 says -- and we hear today about, Where are the 12 specifics. That's as specific as you can get. 13 So with that, let me turn this over to Iris 14 Mathias, who is the Lawrence director for NACA. And 15 she and her staff have transformed Lawrence with 16 over 2,500 loans and with being a community that 17 Fannie Mae said they would not lend in, Bank of 18 America and Fleet have and have changed that whole 19 city. 20 Iris, why don't you introduce some of the 21 home-buyers who are going to speak for just a few 22 minutes, because we keep hearing from the leaders. 23 Let's hear from the results of what's going on out 24 there on a community level. . 0150 1 MS. MATHIAS: Hi. My name is Iris Mathias. 2 I have some of the homeowners that we helped buy 3 them homes. 4 The first person that is going to speak is 5 Fiabola Camilo. 6 MR. CAMILO: (Through Ms. Mathias, 7 Interpreter) My name is Fiabola Camilo. I bought 8 my house through the NACA program. I bought a house 9 for $330,000, four-family house. And it was very 10 good, because I didn't have to pay no downpayment or 11 closing costs. I got an interest rate of 5.5 -- I'm 12 sorry, 5.25. 13 MR. MARKS: When did you buy your house? 14 MS. MATHIAS: She just closed on December 15 1, '03. 16 MR. MATALU: My name is Eddie Matalu. I 17 have five kids. I always had big problem with the 18 kids because I had no room. I was with two-bedroom 19 for $1,500 every month. Then I go to NACA and I 20 talk to -- I only had $1,000 in my account. I said, 21 I don't have no money. NACA said, Okay, we're going 22 to help you. 23 When I go there, they give me credit for 24 $358,000. I said, "How can I buy the house for . 0151 1 350,000 when I have only $1,000?" He said, "Okay, 2 I'm going to take care of you." They said, "You're 3 going to go and buy any house you like. I'm going 4 to help you." They give me the house with no 5 downpayment and no closing costs. I am glad for 6 that. Thank you. 7 Mr. Burgos: (Through Iris Mathias, 8 Interpreter) My name is Raymond Burgos. I bought 9 my house through the NACA program. It has been a 10 year. I pay -- I got the house for $360,000, 11 four-family house, with an interest rate of 5.50, 12 with no downpayment, no closing costs. NACA helped 13 me to resolve everything, and I am being very 14 grateful to NACA. I am very happy with my family, 15 and I thank God because NACA helped me in 16 everything. Thank you. 17 MS. CABRERA: (Through Iris Mathias, 18 Interpreter) My name is Gilmar Cabrera. I bought a 19 house one year ago. It cost me $260,000. NACA 20 helped me a lot, because I didn't qualify in other 21 programs. I bought a three-family house without a 22 downpayment and the closing costs. I'm very happy, 23 and I thank God because I have my house now and 24 thank you to NACA. And God bless you all. And this . 0152 1 is my testimony. 2 MS. OLIVO: (Through Iris Mathias, 3 Interpreter) My name is Angel Olivo. I bought my 4 house through the NACA foundation, three-family 5 house for $275,000 with no closing costs and no 6 downpayment. I am very happy in my house. The 7 interest rate was 5.85. And I hope that everybody 8 can get their house through the NACA program. Thank 9 you and God bless you all. 10 MR. MARKS: Because of what Bank of America 11 has done over ten years, because when they committed 12 $350 billion, people said it's the largest 13 commitment that was ever made. And people said, 14 Well, we want to see the specifics. Well, they've 15 shown me specifics over the last number of years and 16 they've exceeded what they said that they were going 17 to do. 18 So when they say they're going to commit 19 $750 billion, we take that to the bank. So we 20 strongly support the merger. But when you hear from 21 the Bank of America officials, when you hear from 22 the Ken Lewises and you hear from those -- they have 23 a staff that's as dedicated as the NACA staff is and 24 is as dedicated as the other community group staffs . 0153 1 are around here. A lot of the NACA staff is here. 2 And a lot of the Bank of America staff is here. And 3 they are led by a person who the Bank of New England 4 will meet and who they'll respect and whose word is 5 golden, and that is Kathy Bessant. She will be 6 here. The first time we met with Bank of America 7 people said, this is the lady who's going to make it 8 work. She made it work in other parts of the 9 country, and she will make it work in New England. 10 Thank you. 11 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Let's go ahead 12 and start with Mr. Fishback. 13 MR. FISHBACK: Good morning. First of all, 14 thank you very much for sponsoring this hearing. I 15 hope that this better informs your decision-making 16 about this merger. 17 I'm from the Rhode Island Community 18 Reinvestment Association. We take a great interest 19 in this merger, because we're about to lose our 20 oldest bank in the state to a very large bank, and 21 that very much worries us in Rhode Island. 22 Our opposition to this merger is largely 23 based on Fleet's track record, because we've 24 witnessed our home-grown bank grow bigger and bigger . 0154 1 and bigger and forget about us more and more and 2 more as time goes by. We're particularly concerned 3 also, because we've seen other states -- community 4 groups in other states have conversations with 5 financial institutions about developing programs to 6 meet credit needs for low- and moderate-income 7 communities. And that process has yet to begin in 8 Rhode Island. And this reflects our concern that we 9 are being lost in an ever-growing, growing 10 footprint. As everyone knows, Rhode Island is a 11 small state. As the footprint gets bigger, we 12 become more of a spec, and that is very problematic. 13 There have been some meetings in our state 14 with people from Fleet. And when we asked Fleet to 15 bring Bank of America to the table, Fleet tells us 16 that that will happen when there's something new to 17 report to us. Well, this merger is a process. And 18 these hearings are going on. And we're waiting for 19 the news. And we don't want the news to come after 20 the fact. 21 So we would hope that the Federal 22 Reserve -- in fact, we would urge the Federal 23 Reserve to defer acting on this application until a 24 process that's occurred elsewhere occurs in the . 0155 1 state that's the home base of the institution that's 2 about to be bought up. 3 We have also some specific concerns that 4 relate to Fleet's record. For one thing, we are 5 concerned that their record has been overstated. 6 There have been projects that Fleet has done that do 7 nothing to serve low- and moderate-income people and 8 yet, they're counting that in their $14.6 billion. 9 A second concern we have has to do with 10 refinancing rejection rates and also home 11 improvement rejection rates for people of color, 12 which tends to be at times double that for white 13 people. And this is a concern that the Feds should 14 be looking at in New England, because the rates for 15 all the banks don't look that great, but Fleet 16 stacks up even worse than the banks do generally. 17 Finally, we do have one concern relating to 18 Bank of America as it relates to their scoring 19 community reinvestment points at the expense of very 20 low income public housing tenants. 21 Bank of America has participated in the 22 Hope VI program. And through its participation, 23 there's been a net loss of scarce public housing 24 units. This is very problematic in Rhode Island, . 0156 1 because there are very few housing opportunities for 2 very low income people. And if the bank is going to 3 use its community reinvestment record at the expense 4 of public housing tenants and Section 8 tenants, 5 that causes us much concern. 6 We've been told that we will be getting a 7 meeting soon with Bank of America, which we look 8 forward to, and we hope to be able to discuss our 9 concerns with them some more. 10 Thank you. 11 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 12 The panelists have five minutes each on 13 this panel, but do keep an eye on the timer. 14 MS. KEEFE: My name is Kirsten Keefe. I'm 15 a lawyer with the Greater Upstate Law Project in 16 Albany, New York, and I'm here on behalf of the 17 Capital Region Community Reinvestment Task Force. 18 I thank you for this opportunity, and I'd 19 like to limit my comments to two points regarding 20 Bank of America's continued involvement in predatory 21 lending. 22 First, Bank of America's application to 23 acquire FleetBoston Corporation should be denied, 24 unless Bank of America displays that they have . 0157 1 sincerely stopped the securitization of predatory 2 loans. 3 Bank of America's written and oral 4 commitment not to securitize predatory loans is 5 insincere. Bank of America claims to conduct due 6 diligence prior to purchasing loans from third party 7 mortgage lenders, as well as for each pool of 8 mortgage loans purchased by BOA. BOA refuses to 9 reveal, however, what exactly the due diligence is 10 that they conduct. They have asked for confidential 11 treatment, as if due diligence were some sort of 12 trade secret that needs to be protected. BOA should 13 make public what steps it is taking to ensure that 14 they are not capitalizing predatory loans. 15 We do know that BOA uses the narrowest 16 possible definition of what it considers to be a 17 predatory loan. In response to a California 18 community reinvestment group's comment letter, BOA 19 stated that it will not securitize, quote, high cost 20 mortgage loans as defined by the Home Ownership and 21 Equity Protection Act or subprime loans with terms 22 that would trigger similar state lending laws." 23 Congress never intended HOEPA to be the 24 complete definition of predatory lending. If Bank . 0158 1 of America is sincere in its commitment not to 2 securitize predatory loans, Bank of America must 3 expand its definition of predatory lending. For 4 example, Bank of America should not securitize loans 5 which have high points and fees, regardless of 6 whether they meet the high HOEPA threshold; loans 7 that include mandatory arbitration agreements; loans 8 that contain prepayment penalties, especially when 9 those prepayment penalties are coupled with 10 adjustable interest rates; loans that have high 11 debt-to-income ratios, especially when made to 12 low-income folks; loans that leave homeowners with 13 substandard residual income; and loans that have 14 been flipped within at least the last 12 months. 15 Despite rhetoric from the industry, it is 16 not difficult to determine whether a loan is 17 predatory. An investor can tell from the documents 18 whether a loan is high cost. BOA has easy access to 19 FICO scores, loan-to-value ratios, and 20 debt-to-income ratios on loans. BOA can readily 21 track the default rates of loan originators. They 22 can identify notoriously bad brokers, track hot 23 zones for predatory lending and look at other signs 24 that a loan may be predatory. BOA can seek the . 0159 1 advice of state attorney generals regarding problem 2 lenders and of advocacy organizations such as the 3 National Consumer Law Center. 4 Second, bank of America's application to 5 acquire FleetBoston should be denied because Bank of 6 America fails to provide a responsible subprime 7 lending product. By this I mean a subprime lending 8 product to the public, not just a subprime lending 9 product to an organization such as NACA, as we just 10 heard. 11 Bank of America has no subprime product 12 currently and has no plans to develop a responsible 13 subprime lending product. On December 15 BOA 14 acquired an equity interest in Oakmont Mortgage 15 come. The HMDA data on Oakmont shows Oakmont's 16 lending practices to be questionable at best, 17 predatory at worse. Oakmont is a broker-driven loan 18 model, similar to EquiCredit corporation, BOA's 19 former subprime subsidiary and a notorious predatory 20 lender. 21 With the acquisition of FleetBoston, BOA 22 will become the second largest bank in the country. 23 With such a huge market share, BOA must develop a 24 responsible subprime product. Broker-driven models . 0160 1 for subprime lending leads to great abuses. 2 Vulnerable homeowners are targeted by unscrupulous 3 brokers. Brokers who make their living based on a 4 percentage of the loan amount steer borrowers into 5 loans based on the amount of equity in their home, 6 not on the amount they requested. It becomes 7 impossible for a homeowner to get a loan for minimal 8 home improvements. I have heard too many predatory 9 lending victims repeat the ironic statement: "The 10 broker told me I wouldn't qualify for a $8,000 loan, 11 but said I could get a $40,000 loan." Homeowners 12 with below perfect credit must be able to get loans 13 directly through Bank of America loan officers, 14 rather than be pushed off to poisoned subprime 15 products pedaled by brokers through a subsidiary 16 company. 17 Bank of America must offer home repair 18 loans that don't mortgage all the equity in the 19 home. Bank of America must offer a second mortgage 20 loan product that does not require the homeowner to 21 refinance their first mortgage at a higher interest 22 rate, just so that they can get $5,000 to weatherize 23 their home. 24 Bank of America needs to let borrowers know . 0161 1 what kind of credit history leads to what kind of 2 rate and give folks who qualify for prime loans 3 prime rate loans. 4 Bank of America needs to refinance subprime 5 loans with prime rate loans once a homeowner 6 exhibits a regular payment history. 7 I have spent the better part of the last 8 five years litigating predatory lending cases on 9 behalf of low income homeowners against Bank of 10 America and its subsidiary, EquiCredit. Although 11 the doors of EquiCredit were closed in 2001, the 12 opening of Oakmont frightens me and makes me think 13 that the same nightmare is going to come back for 14 low income homeowners. 15 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 16 much. 17 Ms. McNeilly? 18 MS. McNEILLY: My name is Louise McNeilly. 19 I'm a neighborhood organizer in the City of Albany. 20 I also work for a community development financial 21 institution. I'm also here on behalf of the Capital 22 Region Reinvestment Task Force, which is a coalition 23 in our area of community development groups. And I 24 want to share those community development groups' . 0162 1 concerns about the pending merger with Fleet Bank 2 and Bank of America. 3 Fleet is currently one of the largest 4 financial institutions in our market by far. Their 5 strength has been in their local presence, their 6 ability at a high level to make local decisions and 7 have that authority locally, and the involvement of 8 a locally-based CRA officer, who has been a good 9 partner to community development groups in our area. 10 Fleet Bank invests in local community development 11 financial institutions like mine, supports small 12 business development programs, and is a strong 13 contributor to housing groups in my area. 14 Bank of America has not had a presence 15 locally. And representatives so far have declined 16 to meet with us and have not disclosed plans of what 17 to expect in our market. Before approving a merger 18 of this size, regulators should require that Bank of 19 America hold meetings in New York's Capital District 20 with community groups. While our market will be a 21 very small one for the new entity -- we're feeling 22 like Rhode Island in this -- the merged institution 23 will be a very significant financing institution for 24 us. As banks in our area have merged, our community . 0163 1 has been increasingly abandoned. The new larger 2 entities have not had the same interest in our 3 community, and their local practice has been 4 lacking. We are very concerned about Bank of 5 America's ability to be responsive to local capital 6 needs, considering that pre-merger, they're already 7 too big to meet with us. 8 We have been told by Bank of America 9 representatives that a community reinvestment 10 business plan will be developed for upstate New 11 York. A pre-merger commitment to including 12 representatives of these important non-profit groups 13 in Albany, Schenectady and Troy in this business 14 plan task force would be an important first step and 15 would make the plan much stronger. 16 We are also concerned that Bank of America 17 continues to -- has not yet committed to having 18 locally-based decision making CRA managers. Before 19 approving the merger, regulators should insist that 20 Bank of America commit to the preservation of local 21 CRA-officer position with meaningful authority to 22 develop community relationships and be responsive to 23 community needs. We need Bank of America 24 decision-makers that live in our community, care . 0164 1 about our neighborhoods, understand our low-income 2 neighborhoods and market and are easily accessible. 3 Local decision-making is one of our greatest 4 concerns in our area. 5 We cannot evaluate Bank of America's 6 lending in our area, but we do know that Fleet could 7 do better in home purchasing lending in Upstate New 8 York. According to HMDA data, Fleet's distribution 9 of loans to underserved communities is lower than 10 that for other financial institutions in our area. 11 Fleet's market share in underserved communities and 12 among communities of color was lower than its total 13 market share in the Albany MSA. And at the end of 14 my written testimony are some of the details on 15 that. 16 So there is room for improvement by Fleet 17 Bank as well. The acquisition by a bank 18 headquartered far from Upstate New York raises 19 concerns about their knowledge in meeting our credit 20 needs in underserved communities and providing 21 needed services to low and moderate income people 22 and minority populations. 23 On behalf of the low and moderate income 24 populations that we serve in the task force, we . 0165 1 request that Bank of America prepare clear and 2 acceptable multi-year community development plans 3 for the capital region, which builds on and improves 4 on Fleet's investment performance, and that this 5 plan be in place before the proposed merger moves 6 forward. 7 In my written testimony I've also outlined 8 the community development needs in our area. I 9 won't go into all of those, but just in the 10 following area the needs are in affordable 11 homeownership and housing. There are some specific 12 products that we lack and require. 13 Under community revitalization and 14 financial services and banking services. There is 15 much that can be done in micro enterprise and small 16 business lending; community development loans and 17 investments in our areas; there's opportunities for 18 improvement in commercial lending; and then of 19 course under maximize local decision-making control 20 and accountability. 21 We hope that the Federal Reserve Board will 22 take our task force concerns into consideration, and 23 we appreciate the opportunity to be heard here 24 today. Thank you. . 0166 1 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: 2 MS. SALOWE-KAYE: My name is Phyllis 3 Salowe-Kaye. And for the last 19 years I've been 4 the Executive Director for the New Jersey Citizen 5 Action, the state's largest consumer watchdog 6 organization. We have 60,000 dues-paying family 7 members and over 120 organizations affiliated with 8 us; labor, senior, community, environmental, 9 religious and -- a variety of groups. 10 We're a multi-issue organization, but we 11 spend a great amount of time working on housing and 12 community development issues. 13 My testimony has been rewritten a million 14 times in the last four days. It's sort of 15 schizophrenic, as we've had discussions with the 16 banks and other community groups. However, what 17 hasn't changed and what isn't schizophrenic is our 18 belief that as banks get bigger, they must get 19 better. 20 Since Bank of America is a really big bank 21 that is buying New Jersey's biggest bank, we believe 22 that they have an obligation to become the best bank 23 in New Jersey. 24 Over the past 19 years we've negotiated 28 . 0167 1 community reinvestment acts with 28 different banks, 2 totalling more than $25 billion that's been pledged 3 in below market rate mortgages, discounted home 4 improvement loans, construction of permanent 5 financing targeted for non-profits, community and 6 economic development loans, tax credits and grants 7 and a variety of other products and services. 8 When banks come into New Jersey, they know 9 that they are going to negotiate an agreement, a 10 memorandum of understanding, write a letter, a 11 business plan, call it whatever you want, with 12 citizen action. Some do it because they want to. 13 Some do it because they feel they have to. Most do 14 it willingly and a few need additional 15 encouragement. 16 Fleet Bank did it when they came to New 17 Jersey and purchased NatWest. They did it when they 18 purchased Summit. They have become a really good 19 community partner in New Jersey, perhaps the best 20 that we deal with. 21 Part of that is a result of the 22 Fleet/BankBoston merger, which changed our 23 relationship with the bank, but this did not happen 24 by magic. It happened because we had a specific . 0168 1 document that we could refer to with specific 2 monetary commitments, product descriptions and 3 lending criteria that we came back to four and five 4 times a year to measure improvement, to set goals, 5 to reevaluate, if necessary. 6 This would be the point where I would read 7 a few sentences from the Governor of New Jersey, 8 Governor James McGreevey, who has submitted 9 testimony to the board. 10 "Since Fleet's takeover of Summit Bank in 11 2000, Fleet has made substantial commitments to New 12 Jersey. Fleet has committed $1.2 billion in 13 community reinvestment agreements with tailored 14 products through March 2005. 15 "We have 430 branches in New Jersey, with 16 47 branches in major urban areas, representing 18 17 percent of the branches in these areas. Fleet 18 employees thousands and represents a considerable 19 investment in New Jersey. It is this level of 20 commitment that Bank of America should be required 21 to continue should the board approve this 22 transaction. Indeed, we respectfully request as a 23 condition of approval of this merger that Bank of 24 America honor and extend the existing Fleet CRA . 0169 1 agreement that they have in New Jersey." 2 That's what the governor has to say. Now 3 we're back to me. 4 Fleet's $750 billion mega-pledge is quite 5 impressive, but its lack of specificity is 6 disappointing, to say the least. The bank has 7 agreed to develop a state-specific business plan for 8 New Jersey, but only after the merger is completed. 9 There will be some product specificity. 10 However, specific product goals, lending goals have 11 not been committed to, nor is it our ability to make 12 those public if they were. So what we've learned 13 over the past 19 years is that good intentions don't 14 count. And we are urging the board to require that 15 a specific document be put in place in each state. 16 The $100 billion dollars set aside for 17 states in the Fleet footprint falls far short -- 18 about $80 billion dollars short -- of being a fair 19 allocation, since only 13 percent of the total 20 commitment will go to states that will eventually 21 hold 24 percent of the combined bank deposits after 22 the merger. While we have had several meaningful 23 discussions with Bank of America -- and like Mr. 24 Lewis said earlier, the people that we have met with . 0170 1 have been diligent, honest, likeable, even charming, 2 and some of them quite sincere. What they haven't 3 been is specific in terms of committing to what they 4 are going to actually do in New Jersey. 5 We need Bank of America to provide us with 6 straight answers and prove that when they enter New 7 Jersey, they will have a stronger commitment to 8 consumer service, community and economic 9 development, and corporate citizenship. 10 MS. WOLFRAM: I'm Tanya Wolfram from the 11 Community Reinvestment Association of North 12 Carolina. And I'm here to tell you that bigger is 13 not better. 14 Since the 1980s, NCNB has grown from a 15 one-state bank with 172 offices in North Carolina to 16 Bank of America, which will have 5,700 branches in 17 29 states after its acquisition. But while Bank of 18 America executives strive to make it America's bank, 19 they have left the community behind. Bigger is not 20 necessarily better for the community. 21 Bigger is not better for access. Bank of 22 America now has 209 branches in North Carolina. But 23 Bank of America's gain is North Carolina's consumers 24 net loss. Since 1986, Bank of America has closed . 0171 1 147 branches in North Carolina, leaving many markets 2 altogether. What happened in Murfreesboro, 3 Lillington and Harmony, North Carolina, sets 4 precedent for places like Orange, Turners Falls and 5 Fiskdale, Massachusetts, and I'm afraid it doesn't 6 bode well. $750 billion dollars is a big number; 7 but like my colleague up in North Carolina Fair 8 Housing Center said, it is ambitious, but ambiguous. 9 Without state and local commitments, the 10 number has no meaningful impact on the community. 11 What does it mean in Jacksonville, North Carolina, 12 where the bank has closed four branches since 1992, 13 and the only Community Development Corporation in 14 the area has no relationship with Bank of America. 15 Indeed, it is difficult to cultivate 16 relationships on a local level when there is one 17 community development officer for all of North and 18 South Carolina. Bigger is not better. Bigger is 19 not better for lending. Bank of America's size does 20 not translate into more loans for small businesses 21 or more loans for low and moderate income borrowers 22 in North Carolina. 23 In its own hometown of Charlotte, North 24 Carolina, where it has the largest bank presence, . 0172 1 Bank of America is only the ninth largest lender in 2 lending to businesses with less than a million 3 dollars in gross annual revenue. In fact, in 4 mortgage lending, in every North Carolina MSA, Bank 5 of America underperformed the market in lending to 6 low and moderate income lending borrowers. Bigger 7 is not better. Bigger is not better when it fosters 8 predatory lending. 9 Bank of America sold NationsCredit and 10 EquiCredit, only to participate in predatory lending 11 under a different guise. Bank of America is buying 12 subprime loans on the secondary market without 13 screening them for predatory lending. Predatory 14 loans destroy communities. CRA-NC pledges to fight 15 Bank of America on predatory lending. 16 What does it profit a man if he gains the 17 whole world, but loses his soul? Can Bank of 18 America avoid losing its soul? Only if the bank 19 makes a commitment to stay committed to the 20 community by developing state and local CRA 21 commitments that are meaningful; committing to 22 improve lending to small businesses and minority 23 borrowers; engaging regional managers in community 24 economic development issues; in screening subprime . 0173 1 loan portfolios to ensure that they are not 2 purchasing predatory loans that are destroying 3 communities. 4 Therefore, we petition the Federal Reserve 5 to deny the merger until Bank of America 6 meaningfully fulfills these commitments. Because as 7 it stands now, I can tell you, bigger is not better. 8 MR. BEAULAC: Thank you very much. My name 9 is Lee Beaulac. I'm the Senior Vice President for 10 Housing and Economic Development for Rural 11 Opportunities. We're based in Rochester, New York. 12 We're a 34-year old rural regional development 13 organization. We have been directly responsible for 14 almost three-quarters of a billion dollars of 15 investments into rural communities in the form of 16 affordable mortgages, small business lending, 17 services to farm workers, and other residents of 18 disinvested rural communities. 19 Last year we served 102,000 people in the 20 states of New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana and 21 Puerto Rico. We are a CDFI. We are also an 22 intermediary for the U.S. Department of Agriculture, 23 a lending intermediary, as well as an intermediary 24 for the U.S. Small Business Administration. . 0174 1 Our first-time home buyer program has put 2 over 2,000 folks into first-time homeownership, and 3 we have financed over 260 small business 4 enterprises. 5 Access to credit and capital is critical to 6 the health of any community. And I'm talking today 7 from the perspective of a Community Development 8 Corporation. And my remarks are really directed to 9 the need to have an ongoing relationship with a bank 10 wherein there are predictable sources of resources, 11 there are products that are ongoing that are 12 dependable and aggressive and meet the needs of the 13 local communities. 14 The creation of individual wealth depends 15 upon the credit and capital that is required to 16 finance assets. Private financial institutions play 17 a key role. Notwithstanding the fact that we have 18 resources through the CDFI Fund and SBA and the 19 USBA, we could not do anywhere near what we have 20 done without the direct involvement of commercial 21 banking institutions. 22 Banks that are seriously committed to rural 23 revitalization, community development, that approach 24 communities with the understanding that these are . 0175 1 important markets for them as an institution and are 2 prepared to be inventive and flexible and responsive 3 to local conditions are our best partners. 4 It's with this in mind that we greeted the 5 news of this merger with a fair amount of anxiety. 6 At the start, let me say that I have never really 7 ever met a merger that I liked, with the possible 8 exception of one, and I won't tell you what that one 9 is. 10 So I'm not taking a position in favor or 11 against this particular merger. My experience in 12 general has been that mergers don't usually result 13 in improved levels of service to local communities, 14 particularly where the bank that is serving that 15 local community is merged into something larger and 16 from out of state. I'm not here to talk about my 17 experience with Bank of America. I don't have any 18 experience with BOA. 19 I've heard from others from the west that 20 they've been unhappy with the coverage from their 21 community development professionals in the field 22 working with community development corporations. 23 And that's of concern to me. 24 On the other hand, I'm aware of their . 0176 1 substantial rural commitment, which I think is 2 probably one of the largest rural commitments that 3 any bank has made to date. Fleet, on the other 4 hand, I know very well. I will tell you from the 5 perspective of a full disclosure, I'm on the Fleet 6 COC, Community Oversight Committee. I'm also on the 7 committee that advises Fleet folks in Rochester. 8 It's been a great experience, but it's not 9 a bowl of roses or whatever the expression is. I 10 can't think of it. I mean, we've worked for a year 11 and a half to try to get Fleet to disaggregate their 12 CRA data, so folks could better understand what the 13 performance was at the local level. That issue was 14 resolved along with other issues. And I think it's 15 because that Fleet has been listening to other 16 members of the committee that there is a COC. I 17 don't know if BOA has a similar group. But I think 18 one of the things that Fleet has really done well is 19 listen to the community. 20 Fleet's been very important to us. We have 21 cash advance, cash management. We have operating 22 lines of credit, equipment lines of credit, grant 23 support. We've got folks sitting on their boards 24 and they're sitting on our boards. . 0177 1 Two initiatives that I want to talk about: 2 One is Fleet's commitment to the affordable lending 3 alliance, which we have put together in conjunction 4 with a secondary market, private mortgage insurance 5 industry and rural development and the banks. 6 This is a terrific system, we think, where 7 ROI -- and now we're bringing other groups into the 8 fold -- are originating, processing, underwriting 9 loans for the banks. We deliver the loans to the 10 banks and they fund it. Fleet is making available 11 the affordable advantage loan product, which is I 12 think the only below-market product in the Rochester 13 region I think to date; no PMI, one point below 14 market, so on and so forth. We want BOA to 15 recognize that this product is appropriate for the 16 local community, and we'd like them to continue it. 17 The other thing is, we understand that BOA 18 does not do this, and Fleet has just agreed to 19 become a part of the rural home loan partnership 20 program, which blends rates from rural development 21 with their 502 product, with commercial lending 22 products. We're getting blended rates as low as 3 23 percent. So we'd like to encourage BOA to join that 24 program as well. . 0178 1 My final remark is that we've been working 2 with Fleet. They expressed their desire to join the 3 Federal Home Loan Bank of New York. The Housing 4 Finance Board has put up some roadblocks to that. 5 They're in line to do that, and we encourage BOA to 6 essentially pick up where they have left off, if 7 this merger does go forward, and join the Federal 8 Home Loan Bank of New York. 9 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Ms. Maker? 10 MS. MAKER: Good afternoon. My name is 11 Ruhi Maker. I'm presenting testimony on behalf of 12 Matthew Lee, who could not be here today. 13 This is the testimony of Inner City 14 Press/Fair Finance Watch, in opposition to the Bank 15 of America's applications to acquire FleetBoston 16 Corporation. 17 Inner City press and its Fair Finance Watch 18 have submitted five detailed written comments 19 opposing Bank of America's application. Among other 20 things, these comments have demonstrated that Bank 21 of America is deeply involved in problematic 22 subprime lending. For example, it purchases and 23 securitizes subprime loans from Option one, New 24 Century, Accredited Home Lenders, and Wells Fargo, . 0179 1 whose subprime loans are being criticized, 2 correctly, in many states. Even more directly, Bank 3 of America on December 15, 2003 -- less than a month 4 ago -- bought a controlling equity state in the 5 California-based subprime lender Oakmont Mortgage. 6 Significantly, Bank of America is working with the 7 same ma'am that was at First Franklin, a subprime 8 lender BofA owned from 1996 to 1999, before selling 9 it to National City corporation. Bank of America 10 made big claims about getting out of subprime, but 11 the reality is that it is still involved, simply 12 under other names -- the Oakmont purchase was 13 through Bank of America subsidiary CIVC, or 14 Continental Illinois Venture Corp. -- and in other 15 ways. Most of Bank of America's securitizations of 16 subprime loans are done through Bank of America 17 subsidiaries with a misleading generic-sounding 18 name: "Asset Backed Funding Corporation" or "ABFC." 19 Here's a quote from a press release issued 20 by the rating agency Fitch on August 20, 2003 21 concerning ABFC, Asset-Backed Certificates in 2003: 22 "The mortgage loans will be sold to the depositor by 23 Bank of America N.A., an affiliate of the depositor 24 and one of the underwriters, which acquired the . 0180 1 mortgage loans from Option One, the originator." 2 This is significant, particularly in terms 3 of the Comptroller of the Currency's announcement, 4 the same day as BofA's pledge, to which we'll turn 5 in a moment, that it would preempt all states' 6 anti-predatory lending laws, because supposedly no 7 national bank or operating subsidiaries is involved 8 in predatory lending in any way. 9 From Fitch's press release and the 10 underlying SEC filings, it's clear that Bank of 11 America, N.A., the national bank, buys subprime 12 loans from Option One. Consider, as to Option One, 13 that this subprime lender applied for a savings bank 14 charter, but was unable to obtain one due to 15 compliance issues that arose, and ultimately 16 withdrew its application. ICP knows this because it 17 commented to the OTS and FDIC in opposition to 18 Option One's applications, including evidence of 19 predatory lending. 20 Regarding Wells Fargo, for the record, the 21 Prospectus Supplement for ABFC Mortgage Loan 22 Asset-Backed Cert., Serial No. 2003-WF1, states that 23 the pool consists of subprime mortgage loans secured 24 by first liens on residential real properties, 91.42 . 0181 1 percent of which have the consumer trapped in 2 subprime loans by means of prepayment penalties. 3 Bank of America, hiding behind its subsidiaries 4 Asset Backed Funding Corporation and CIVC, plays a 5 predatory lending name-game. 6 BofA's most recent subprime purchase, it's 7 now clear, was made without even the most cursory 8 due diligence review of Oakmont Mortgage Company and 9 its HMDA data. 10 Oakmont's 2002 data shows that 50 percent 11 of loans nationally originated to homeowners were to 12 minority homeowners. Another 20 percent had a race 13 unknown next to them, and only 30 percent were in 14 fact to white homeowners, a very different disparity 15 as compared to a prime lender. 16 Oakmont's 2003 HMDA data shows that in the 17 Detroit MSA, Oakmont reported 130 applications for 18 conventional home purchase loans from 19 African-Americans, all approved and originated, and 20 48 applications from whites, all approved and 21 originated. 22 Oakmont targets a protected class with 23 higher-cost credit, whereas BofA redlines, with 24 normal cost credit, having made in this MSA in 2002 . 0182 1 fully 38 such loans to whites for every one loan to 2 an African-American, while subprime Oakmont made 2.7 3 times more loans to African-Americans than to 4 whites. 5 BofA's responses about its relationships 6 with subprime lenders and its supposed due diligence 7 must be released under the Freedom of Information 8 Act and otherwise, and the comment period must be 9 extended until that is done. 10 Bank of America would clearly like this 11 process to become a referendum on its $750 billion 12 announcement. Is it a big number or not? Well, 13 it's a big number, but it doesn't mean. Even the 14 Federal Reserve says that the focus in this process 15 is supposed to be on the bank's actual record, not 16 on future projects. 17 Bank of America's spin machine, or which 18 the pledge is only the most recent example, allows 19 these disparities to fester and grow worse. On past 20 experience, when BofA and NationsBank made their 21 mega-pledge in 1998, it turned out that they counted 22 toward the pledge loans that have nothing to do with 23 CRA, such as small business loans. 24 Finally, the 10 percent deposit cap. Using . 0183 1 the official numbers from the FDIC, the pro forma 2 institutions would go over 10 percent. 3 And in summary, ICP would request that this 4 merger be denied. Thank you. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 6 much. 7 MS. MEIZHU: My name is Meizhu Lui. We're 8 concerned with the growing economic divide in this 9 country and the damage that it does to our 10 democracy. 11 We're opposed to this merger, because we 12 think it will contribute to increasing economic 13 inequality in general and to racial economic 14 inequality in particular. 15 The wealth gap between whites and blacks is 16 still a yawning chasm, more than a century and a 17 half after the end of slavery. In 2001, the typical 18 black household had a net worth of just $19,000, 19 including home equity, compared with $121,000 20 dollars for whites. 21 38 percent of whites would run out of 22 savings in three months, which is bad enough. But 23 79 percent of African-Americans would last less than 24 three months without income. . 0184 1 These disparities did not happen by 2 accident or due to the poor saving habits of 3 African-Americans or other peoples of color. They 4 are rooted in government policies and practices, 5 some of which have allowed U.S. banks to make money 6 from the exploitation of African-American labor and 7 the expropriation of the assets of hard-working, 8 low-income people and particularly of people of 9 color. 10 Fleet's predecessor company, the First 11 National Bank of Boston, was built on profits from 12 loans used to finance the highly lucrative slave 13 trade. The sons and daughters of slaves are still 14 paying the price, and the inheritors of those who 15 invested in slavery are still reaping the benefits. 16 Both wealth and disadvantage have cumulative effects 17 over generations, and we're still seeing those 18 effects today. 19 Now that we're in the 21st century, we can 20 choose to either continue the process or to 21 interrupt the process of growing the economic 22 divide. 23 While FleetBoston has provided some 24 community benefits, as we've heard over the more . 0185 1 recent years, its vast wealth rests on the legacy of 2 profiting from the buying and selling of humans as 3 property. 4 Institutions should be and have been held 5 liable for human rights and human health violations. 6 Fleet has dismissed the reparations lawsuits as 7 immaterial. 8 If we think back a couple of decades, we 9 will recall that cigarette and asbestos 10 manufacturers took a similar view to suits facing 11 them. In the ensuing years, many firms in both of 12 these industries have been bankrupted by the 13 lawsuits. 14 In the case of this proposed merger, the 15 assets of Bank of America are put at risk by the 16 liabilities faced by the reparations lawsuit against 17 Fleet. A successful suit could absorb all of the 18 assets of the combined banks. 19 The Federal Reserve's job is to protect the 20 financial institutions, their depositors, but also 21 all of us as taxpayers. Because in the end, it is 22 U.S. taxpayers that will be stuck bailing out these 23 banks. Sound public policy would not expose 24 taxpayers to the risks involved in such a merger. . 0186 1 Our tax dollars would be much better spent on 2 programs designed to close the wealth gap rather 3 than to perpetuate them. 4 Thank you. 5 MR. SAMPSON: My name is Reverend Al 6 Sampson. I am pastor of Fernwood United Methodist 7 Church located in Chicago, Illinois. I am also 8 Economic Commissioner of N'COBRA, the National 9 Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America, the 10 premiere organization fighting for slavery 11 reparations today; co-chair of the ministerial 12 commission of a coalition of over 100 organizations 13 working on reparations with Dr. Conrad Worrill, 14 Chairman of the National Black United Front, and 15 Minister Louis Farrakhan, leader of the Nation of 16 Islam, also personal friend and advisor to Chicago's 17 Alderwoman Dorothy Tillman, who authored the Slavery 18 Disclosure Ordinance of Chicago. 19 And since we are on the eve of Dr. Martin 20 Luther King Jr.'s birthday, I must add that I am the 21 only person from the Southern Christian Leadership 22 Conference that Dr. King ordained in the ministry. 23 Esteemed panel, I come to you today to 24 express concerns about the merger of FleetBoston . 0187 1 Financial Corporation and Bank of America. Of 2 particular concerns are reports of FleetBoston's 3 history of financing the transatlantic slave. 4 It is widely noted that the Providence Bank 5 of Rhode Island, a key predecessor bank of 6 FleetBoston, played a significant role in the 7 financing of the transatlantic slave trade through 8 its exclusive banking relationship with United 9 States Customs in Rhode Island. This was done at a 10 time when the slave trade was illegal under Rhode 11 Island and United States law. 12 Historical documentation shows that the 13 economy of Rhode Island was so dependent on the 14 transatlantic slave trade, that it was virtually 15 impossible to launch effective prosecution against 16 violators of slave trade prohibition laws. 17 Indeed, shareholders of the bank came from 18 some of the largest slave trading families in the 19 United States. Some of these shareholders, such as 20 Charles DeWolf, were known for engaging in acts of 21 terrorism against American citizens to prevent 22 prosecution under the prohibition laws. In an 23 effort to thwart a trial against Charles DeWolf of 24 Rhode Island's largest slave trading family, a . 0188 1 private Attorney General was attacked by thugs who 2 visually attacked him, cutting off one of his ears. 3 Many shareholders of Fleet's earliest bank 4 were also notorious for the murder of enslaved 5 people on ships they owned or commissioned for the 6 transatlantic slave trade. One example is the case 7 of James DeWolf whose, ship Captain tied an enslaved 8 African woman to a chair and discarded her into the 9 Atlantic Ocean alive because she was suspected of 10 having smallpox. Later he only regretted the loss 11 of the chair. 12 The number of illegally enslaved Africans 13 by the DeWolfs and other slavetraders of Rhode 14 Island exceeded over 41,000, covering periods when 15 the bank was the exclusive collector of customs 16 duties for ships engaged in trade -- including the 17 illegal slave trade. According to the slave 18 prohibition laws, the bank could have been fined 19 substantially if ever brought to justice. 20 The African-American community has engaged 21 FleetBoston to answer for their crimes against 22 humanity -- to account for wealth they inherited 23 through past mergers as a result of the destruction 24 of African families, forced immigration and brutal . 0189 1 exploitation of African men, women and children 2 solely for economic gain. 3 We have asked that the bank atone by 4 apologizing and paying reparations. Certainly it 5 can afford to pay this debt. To date, the bank has 6 not acknowledged any apology nor shown any remorse 7 for this shameful behavior. 8 We ask that the board consider the fact 9 that the African-American community has not 10 forgotten what this bank did to our ancestors or 11 recognize any successor in interest to the assets of 12 this bank is the successor in liabilities of the 13 bank. 14 With each day that passes, another person 15 learns of Fleet's ties to slavery and is outraged, 16 and a new law is passed to serve as ammunition to 17 rectify the injustice. 18 As it stands, the City of Chicago requires 19 that companies that do business with it disclose any 20 connection they or their predecessors have to 21 slavery, or risk losing lucrative contracts with the 22 City. As you know, Bank of America merged with the 23 Continental Illinois National Bank and Trust. Now 24 Bank of America has a significant presence in . 0190 1 Chicago and services the African-American community. 2 Certainly, if the merger goes forward, Bank of 3 America will become tainted with the crime of 4 enslavement that presently looms over FleetBoston 5 and will inherit the growing disdain many Americans 6 have for Fleet. The bank will be forced to publicly 7 disclose this deplorable history as its own or lose 8 lucrative business with the City of Chicago. 9 Before FleetBoston is allowed to launch a 10 new era in its banking history, we implore them and 11 Bank of America to convince African-American slave 12 descendants, and you -- the regulators -- that they 13 will do everything in their power to rectify the 14 great injustice from the past, or it will continue 15 to haunt them from the courtrooms to the boardrooms, 16 from the streets to the suites. 17 And the question before you as regulators 18 is, are there any blacks on either Fleet Bank's 19 board or Bank of America's board, because we haven't 20 been able to find any. 21 Thank you very much for your time. 22 MR. BARBER: Madam Chairman, before I 23 start, I have a special request of your staff, 24 because I was sitting in the back and I've been . 0191 1 observing this public hearing. I'm a Baptist 2 deacon; and for the little fellow holding those 3 signs, one or two minutes is not sufficient time to 4 address this issue. So I would like to have anyone 5 for the rest of the day yield at least a minute or 6 two for me, so I can finish my testimony. 7 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Well, there's no 8 way to get them to yield in advance. Why don't we 9 give you five minutes. 10 MR. BARBER: That's fine. Before I start, 11 I want to invite all of you to New Jersey and to 12 visit one of my great philosophers. There's a 13 museum on the campus of Montclair State University, 14 and it's the Yogi Berra museum. Yogi's one of my 15 great philosophers. There's a Yogi-ism that says 16 basically that you can see a lot just by observing. 17 And I've been observing for a long time 18 now, and I just want to finish these remarks, 19 because I didn't get a chance to get it completed 20 until about four this morning. 21 My website, first of all, is 22 reparationsgroup.com. 23 Good morning, Madam Chairman and Members of 24 the Board. I'm very happy to be here. My name is . 0192 1 Richard E. Barber, Sr., President of the United 2 States ReparationS group. 3 The group was organized as a not-for-profit 4 corporation in the State of New Jersey in August of 5 2002. Our primary mission is to conduct initiatives 6 to improve the economic, educational and social 7 status of the descendants of enslaved Africans. 8 This historic undertaking challenges the 9 black community to embrace our self-help philosophy 10 and work ethics and to achieve these objectives. I 11 welcome the opportunity to address you today and add 12 my voice to the many others who have and will 13 provide testimony on the proposed merger of 14 FleetBoston and Bank of America. I surmise that 15 many may speak on the financial viability of this 16 merger and its potential positive or negative 17 impacts on the global or domestic economy. 18 Madam Chairman, I will do neither. But 19 rather, I would take you on a journey to inform you 20 as to how I came to sit before you this morning and 21 why I am here, why I came up to Boston on what I 22 call a Moses mission. I came up -- and also, I'd 23 like to remind this group that I am a senior 24 citizen. . 0193 1 I hope to challenge and encourage you to 2 not only focus on the potential mega economic force 3 of this proposed merger, but also to consider the 4 history of Fleet Bank and how they, too, got here. 5 I think the question must be answered as Reverend 6 Sampson just indicated, What road did Fleet travel 7 to get to this point in time today. 8 I will take you on a journey that has taken 9 me from the tobacco fields of North Carolina, 10 through the capitals of Europe as a military officer 11 with a NATO unit, through the private and public 12 sectors, and through urban areas with Dr. Leon 13 Sullivan's OIC, trying to implement economic and 14 community development initiatives for communities. 15 In far too many cases along this journey I 16 have encountered those with the power, the authority 17 and the abundance of financial resources to change 18 the status quo, and create a climate for self-help 19 and progressive community development opportunities, 20 but they chose not to do so. 21 In the spirit of several characters in that 22 Biblical story of the "Good Samaritan," they looked 23 the other way from the real needs and pressing 24 community problems and passed on the other side of . 0194 1 the road. 2 50 years ago this year, I was a 14-year-old 3 student down in a rigidly segregated and so-called 4 separate, but equal school in Jones County, North 5 Carolina. My school was very much separate, but in 6 no ways equal. A school with hand-me-down books, 7 broken chalk, outdated educational materials, 8 outdoor toilets and a school board with members who 9 looked the other way and passed on the other side of 10 the road when it came to providing not equal, but 11 just meager resources so that we could get a decent 12 education. 13 Notwithstanding the Supreme Court 1954 14 ruling on Brown versus the Board of Education, many 15 school officials in the south closed schools or 16 offered firm and stiff resistance, rather than abide 17 by this new law of the land. For me, the Brown 18 versus Board of Education decision offered new hope, 19 new vision and promise for a brighter future. 20 I am the grandson and the great grandson of 21 slaves who worked without a payday, and full 22 employment was the official labor policy of that 23 peculiar institution called "slavery." 24 My father was a sharecropper, which was a . 0195 1 new and improved version of slavery. Loan officials 2 of the Farm and Home Administration of the United 3 States Department of Agriculture did not even have 4 to give him a reason for rejecting his loan 5 application, even though he owned his own farm at 6 that point on my journey. 7 By now you must be getting the picture and 8 beginning to understand that for me, life has not 9 been a crystal stair. So I sit here before you 10 today with both a plea and a request. But before I 11 present either one, let me remind you that my 12 colleague from New Jersey, Phyllis Salowe-Kaye, gave 13 the many compelling reasons that if the merging is 14 to be, it must come firmly committed with an 15 agreement, state-by-state, and with sufficient funds 16 for affordable housing, economic and community 17 development initiatives in Jersey City, New Jersey, 18 Patterson, New Jersey, Trenton, New Jersey, and the 19 other communities across this nation. Phyllis knows 20 all too well of our battles in New Jersey over the 21 last two years with the mortgage banking industry as 22 our coalition for fair lending sought to get 23 meaningful anti-predatory lending legislation 24 enacted. . 0196 1 Deadria Farmer, a fellow plaintiff, my 2 colleague from New York, will provide data and 3 information on the reparations movement, I hope, and 4 hopefully her journey from South Carolina to New 5 York, through law school libraries in search of 6 historical records to prove that many American 7 corporate entities stand today on economic 8 foundations created by the blood, sweat and tears of 9 enslaved Africans. Lest we forget and look the 10 other way, many of those economic foundations were 11 built with the wealth created by enslaved Africans 12 who worked for 246 years without a payday. 13 On my way here on my journey, I stopped by 14 Washington in the late '80s, and I marched on a 15 picket line when there was the South African 16 divestiture movement going on. During this journey, 17 I resided in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, for 12 years, 18 founded New World National Bank and used that 19 institution to leverage financial resources from 20 Melon Bank, Pittsburgh National Bank, and the Small 21 Business Administration into the Hill district and 22 Homewood communities of Pittsburgh. On this journey 23 I've seen banks with numerous Community Reinvestment 24 Act violations and much, much too high CRA ratings, . 0197 1 yet bank regulators looked the other way and passed 2 on the other side of the road. 3 Now, Madam chairman, I will very quickly 4 present my plea. 5 Subsequent to the acquisition of Summit 6 Bank in New Jersey by FleetBoston, when the 7 financial health and future independence of Fleet 8 was being questioned by Wall Street stock analysts, 9 when this newly merged Fleet Bank could not 10 seemingly get its economic traction, in short, it 11 seemed that Fleet Bank management and the board of 12 directors had lost its way. I remember a statement 13 by Michael Mayo, an analyst at Prudential Securities 14 and a critic of Fleet's corporate governance, and I 15 quote -- if you had to pick a song to go with Fleet, 16 it would be Bob Seger's, "We felt the lightning, and 17 we waited on the thunder." We felt the lightning 18 and we waited on the thunder. 19 Madam chairman, part of the reason that 20 Fleet Bank never seemed to get productive -- 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Could you sort of 22 wind it up? 23 MR. BARBER: One minute? 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Half a minute. . 0198 1 MR. BARBER: Fine. 2 Members of the Board, I hope you understand 3 and reflect on my journey over the last 50 years. 4 You may understand the real message that I am 5 conveying to you today. And that message is that a 6 financially viable merger of Bank of America and 7 FleetBoston, coupled with a truly committed and 8 productive community partnership, will enable future 9 travelers to live their lives with greater economic 10 stability and social well-being. We seek a 11 partnership so that investors from Wall Street to 12 the main streets of urban, suburban and rural 13 communities will truly reap tremendous economic 14 benefits and an improved quality of life. 15 Thank you very much. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 17 much. I know that the time we have allotted you is 18 very short. Where you have written statements, 19 those statements will be part of the written record, 20 so all of your records will be in the record. If we 21 don't have a chance to hear them, we will have a 22 chance to read them. So thank you very much. 23 MS. FARMER-PAELLMANN: Thank you for this 24 opportunity to testify. My name is Deadria . 0199 1 Farmer-Paellmann. I'm Executive Director of the 2 Restitution Study Group, a not-for-profit 3 organization that examines approaches to securing 4 restitution for injuries inflicted upon oppressed 5 people. I am also lead plaintiff in class action 6 litigation pending against FleetBoston Financial 7 Corporation and 18 other corporations due to their 8 historical roles in the enslavement of Africans. 9 This testimony is being given on behalf of 10 the Restitution Study Group and the National Black 11 United Front, a coalition made up of individuals and 12 organizations working together for the benefit of 13 all people of African descent. 14 I come before you today to inform you about 15 the dangers of allowing the merger of FleetBoston 16 Financial Corporation with Bank of America, if Fleet 17 does not adequately address the reparations demands 18 of slave descendants. 19 The pending lawsuit sets forth that 20 FleetBoston Financial Corporation is the successor 21 in interest to the Providence Bank of Rhode Island 22 that was founded by Rhode Island businessman John 23 Brown. Brown owned ships that embarked on several 24 slave-trading voyages during the time the bank was . 0200 1 in existence. Brown was one of very few people 2 prosecuted in federal court for participating in the 3 international slave trade after it had become 4 illegal under federal law. Just prior to John 5 Brown's death he prepared an estate inventory that 6 indicated that Fleet's early bank lent him 7 substantial sums of money at a time that he was 8 engaged in the illegal practice of slave trading. 9 That document is attached to the testimony. 10 Through its earlier bank, FleetBoston also 11 collected custom fees due from ships transporting 12 slaves and earned profits maintaining bank accounts 13 of people who acquired their wealth in the slave 14 trade. Well over 41,369 Africans were enslaved 15 during the time that FleetBoston's early bank 16 collected customs duties and fees on ships engaged 17 in the illegal slave trade. 18 In the Year 2000, I approached Fleet with 19 this information and asked that they verify it with 20 documents from their corporate archives and atone by 21 apologizing and paying restitution on their unjust 22 gains. They chose not to take responsibility for 23 their history. Instead, they issued vague public 24 statements distancing themselves from their early . 0201 1 bank, or denied a connection to the earlier bank and 2 John Brown. All this, while their own company 3 literature boasted about their connection to the 4 earlier bank and identified John Brown as a 5 respected Rhode Island business leader and founder 6 of FleetBoston's earliest predecessor. That 7 document is also submitted to the record as an 8 exhibit. 9 Equitable liability and moral 10 responsibility for the kidnap, forced immigration, 11 slave-ship rape, murder, and torture and the 12 subsequent forced uncompensated labor and forced 13 breeding of African people will survive any merger 14 FleetBoston may undergo. Slavery reparations 15 lawsuits will follow Fleet wherever it goes. 16 This reality presents factors the Federal 17 Reserve Board is required to consider under the Bank 18 Holding Company Act -- such as the financial and 19 managerial resources and future prospects of the 20 companies and banks involved in a merger proposal. 21 The prospects for this merger are clear -- 22 news reports indicate that high profile litigation 23 teams are preparing new reparations lawsuits against 24 companies, including FleetBoston, and will file them . 0202 1 if justice does not prevail in the pending lawsuit. 2 The new Bank of America will be stuck fighting 3 expensive legal battles that FleetBoston could 4 resolve right now. The prospect is that their 5 financial resources will be adversely affected by 6 this litigation. 7 In addition to the litigation, there is the 8 prospect of more financial woes due to actions by 9 state and local governments. Laws are being passed 10 around this country requiring disclosure of ties to 11 slavery. Los Angeles and Chicago have slavery 12 disclosure laws, and New York City and Cleveland, 13 Ohio, have pending disclosure bills. Disclosure 14 laws are making life more difficult for companies 15 that are trying to hide their tainted histories. 16 The laws force them to tell the whole truth about 17 their connections to slavery. When a company 18 reports, it becomes exposed to more reparations 19 lawsuits. If a company is found to have failed to 20 disclose the truth, they could lose lucrative 21 contracts with state and local governments. 22 One example of a company caught in the 23 cross-hairs of Chicago's slavery disclosure law is 24 Lehman Brothers. Alderwoman Dorothy Tillman . 0203 1 introduced the slavery disclosure bill that became a 2 city ordinance in October of 2002 and took effect in 3 the beginning of 2003. Consequently, Lehman 4 Brothers was forced to disclose its connection to 5 slavery, or forego a $145 million contract with the 6 City. Last week, just one month after the media 7 reported on the disclosure filing, a new class 8 action lawsuit for reparations was filed against 9 Lehman Brothers. In addition, an investigation is 10 underway to determine whether or not the disclosure 11 was incomplete. If Lehman Brothers is found to have 12 distorted their history, they could lose their 13 contract with the City. 14 In October, the Providence Journal reported 15 that, if allowed, the FleetBoston merger with Bank 16 of America would create the fourth largest company 17 in the world. If this is true, FleetBoston and Bank 18 of America's financial exposure to ongoing slavery 19 reparations litigation and disclosure laws could 20 have a profound impact on the nation's banking 21 system and the national economy. These are key 22 areas of the Federal Reserve Board's mandate. 23 Considering these factors, this merger should not be 24 allowed to go forward until the reparations issue is . 0204 1 properly addressed. 2 Reparations now. 3 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 4 much. 5 MR. FARASH: Hello. I'm Isidior Farash, 6 and I'm the guy who had two separate accounts 7 purchased by Fleet. The first time the incoming 8 bank management froze over half million dollars of 9 our company's cleared assets without a reason. It 10 took over six weeks to obtain a court order 11 releasing the funds. The stress created by this 12 event contributed to the early death of one of our 13 company's partners. 14 The second time Fleet acquired our account, 15 they disregarded long-standing contracts and revoked 16 lending commitments without a reason. Numerous 17 families have lost jobs due to this event. I have 18 not cashed a paycheck in months. I should also note 19 that a large number of the bank's management was 20 replaced upon acquisition by Fleet. This makes it 21 extremely difficult to continue any long-standing 22 bank policies, as the new managers use such an 23 opportunity to crack their collective whips and, in 24 fact, renegotiate written agreements. . 0205 1 The incoming management also makes it a 2 point to tell the acquired customers of their deep 3 desire to continue with the policies and methods of 4 the old bank. We were told that Fleet greatly 5 valued its acquired borrowers, when in fact, that 6 was never true. Fleet had intended to liquidate a 7 portion of its acquired borrowers, or in the 8 alternative, to squeeze them through a variety of 9 techniques for changes, making these accounts more 10 lucrative for the bank. 11 Fleet's legal firms, in my case, have based 12 their claims on documents that do not exist and 13 asserted that existing signed documents inherited 14 from their predecessor banks are somehow invalid. 15 They actually expect us to pay their ridiculous 16 legal expenses; and accordingly, have been on a 17 litigative spending-spree. 18 Fleet's strategy is to drive its 19 adversaries into bankruptcy and thereby run them out 20 of resources to continue the litigation. Fleet also 21 overstates any reasonable cause of action they might 22 indeed have to portray their adversaries as 23 criminals. 24 As a documented September 11th victim, my . 0206 1 company has received no help from the government, 2 and Fleet has actually officially accused us of 3 committing fraud against Uncle Sam by attempting to 4 borrow SBA disaster relief funds, which were made 5 available specifically for that purpose. 6 I would also ask the Federal Reserve to 7 consider the practical reality that local bank 8 monopolies are bad for business in general. 9 While the federal antitrust provision may 10 not apply to local monopolies, banks are somewhat 11 unique, in that everyone needs them. And also, 12 people make the majority of their market choices 13 based on geography. Therefore, since the basis for 14 antitrust laws in general is to promote market 15 choices, I would ask the Federal Reserve to consider 16 that three semi or many regional bank monopolies has 17 the same practical effect as a single, giant 18 monopoly. If the bank saturates communities, as has 19 been Fleet's practice, they have succeeded in 20 limiting market choices; and thus, have gotten 21 around the intent of the antitrust rules. 22 Lastly, while most Massachusetts people are 23 kind and decent, there is a core group of Fleet 24 executives -- and they know who they are -- whose . 0207 1 primary interest in this merger is to prevent having 2 done to them and their communities what they did to 3 other jurisdictions in the northeast. And to these 4 people, I would join in harmony with my fellow New 5 Jersey brothers and sisters in saying, Let my people 6 go. 7 To the Federal Reserve Board, I would 8 kindly mention that any borrower who can afford to 9 litigate with a bank as big as Fleet does not need 10 to borrow money. And that would only go more so for 11 any merged entity which would be far larger than 12 Fleet. 13 Thank you and thank everyone for listening. 14 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 15 much. 16 MR. TARE: My name is Ramkrishna Tare. I'm 17 informally representing those who are affected by 18 Fleet's previous merger with Summit. I think Mr. 19 Farash provided some information on that, and I 20 think I have a lot more to amplify on that. 21 Accordingly, my testimony today focuses on 22 my firsthand experience involving Fleet's 23 acquisition of Summit Bancorp that affected me and 24 thousands of other customers like Mr. Farash. I . 0208 1 hope that by discussing my findings on that merger 2 will avoid a repeat of a similar catastrophe going 3 forward. 4 Since we are told that a large portion of 5 Fleet's management will remain in place, Fleet's 6 track record in regulatory compliance and managing 7 mergers -- or rather, the lack of it -- is also 8 important. 9 My experience and findings come from 10 litigation in which Fleet prematurely put in 11 default, as a result of a chaotic merger, an alleged 12 $5 million credit in the Year 2001, barely three 13 months after the signing of the credit agreement 14 with Summit. Later, the loan officer was terminated 15 and subsequently deposed and confirmed that the loan 16 was not in default at the time alleged. Yet, the 17 new officers at Fleet put the loan in default three 18 months retroactively, after they took over the 19 management of the loan. 20 During litigation, numerous former officers 21 of Summit testified that there was total chaos and 22 turmoil during the merger with Fleet. Employees 23 were terminated mass-scale, transition of loans was 24 not done in an orderly fashion to new loan officers, . 0209 1 and record retention regulations were systematically 2 violated as important loan documents and brokerage 3 complaint records were destroyed. All this is 4 confirmed by multiple officers during official 5 deposition and/or by other evidence found during 6 litigation. 7 The most important adverse impact of this 8 chaos during that merger was that numerous loans 9 were put into default prematurely. It is unclear if 10 this was the result of the chaotic merger alone or 11 if it was an intentional policy of the newly formed 12 entity to restructure its customer base. 13 In any event, the period after the merger 14 saw the shutdown of hundreds of businesses and left 15 numerous broken families in its destructive path. 16 Litigating with Fleet -- and I have to add I concur 17 fully with Mr. Farash on that -- in New Jersey for a 18 small business, is almost an impossibility, because 19 not only of its size, but because Fleet resorts to 20 every possible tactic, including flagrantly 21 concealing conflict of interests with trustees, 22 receivers and adversary attorneys. 23 I do not make these statement in a vacuum. 24 At least for New Jersey, I can back my statements . 0210 1 with solid data. I extracted litigation data from 2 New Jersey from a system called the Automated Case 3 Management System, maintained by the New Jersey 4 State Courts, and came to some shocking statistics: 5 In the quarter immediately after the previous 6 merger, the number of litigations initiated by Fleet 7 had increased eight-fold. 8 Fleet had filed literally thousands of 9 lawsuits after the merger. Even on a per branch 10 basis, Fleet had the largest number of litigations 11 per branch in New Jersey. Thanks to Congressman 12 Dingell's interests very recently, this matter, as I 13 understand it, is now under investigation by the 14 OCC, based upon evidence that I have been presented 15 with. 16 I have contacted numerous customers of 17 Fleet affected during the merger and have heard many 18 sad stories. I'm here to request that if this 19 merger is to be approved, at the minimum, a thorough 20 investigation be undertaken of those affected by the 21 previous merger and an adequate compensation plan be 22 put into place for those victimized by it. 23 Beyond the antitrust issue of offering 24 banking choices to customers, an issue that has been . 0211 1 approved by the antitrust division already, there 2 are other ways in which a bank can exert its market 3 power as it expands. For example, an analysis of 4 Fleet's litigation statistics and the law firms that 5 represent Fleet, at least in New Jersey, indicates 6 that Fleet has established strong ties with all of 7 the major law firms in New Jersey and particularly 8 those law firms whose attorneys work as bankruptcy 9 trustees or receivers. 10 While concealing such conflict of interest 11 is itself illegal, let alone unethical, Fleet 12 practices it with impunity, because most customers 13 are simply not aware that the very trustee or 14 receiver assigned to this case also represents 15 Fleet. 16 If this merger is approved, the new entity, 17 now a larger one, will have more power to expand 18 such conflicts at the serious detriment to the 19 customers. This is therefore a very important issue 20 that should be addressed before the merger is 21 approved. The newly formed entity should be asked 22 to publicly, and at regular intervals, disclose the 23 list of law firms with which it maintains a 24 relationship or disciplinary actions should be . 0212 1 initiated to prevent this abuse. Small businesses 2 simply do not have the resources to litigate such 3 issues. 4 Fleet also has total disregard to 5 compliance and banking rules and regulations. In 6 fact, one senior vice president, who was also senior 7 in-house counsel for Fleet in New Jersey, when asked 8 if Fleet had a compliance department, he answered he 9 did not know. The word "compliance" sounded like a 10 foreign word to him. 11 The issues I've discussed today also fall 12 under the statutory requirement of adequate 13 management and compliance for approving a merger. 14 Therefore, I respectfully request that these issues 15 be addressed before the new merger is approved. 16 Thank you. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Mr. Edwards? 18 MR. EDWARDS: Good afternoon. Before I 19 start, I want to note that I am acutely aware that I 20 am the last speaker before lunch, so I'm going to 21 try to make my remarks brief. And I would note that 22 I'm submitting written testimony to back up my oral 23 testimony today. 24 Thank you for the opportunity to be here. . 0213 1 I'm Bill Edwards. I'm Executive Director of the 2 Association for Enterprise Opportunity, AEO, and 3 AEO, our national association. We are submitting 4 testimony based on our role as the national trade 5 and membership association for over 500 6 microenterprise organizations across the United 7 States. 8 Our organization and our members work hard 9 to provide low and moderate income entrepreneurs 10 with the opportunity to work their way out of 11 poverty and towards economic stability and 12 prosperity. Our position in polling our members and 13 our background is that the Bank of America has 14 failed to meet the microenterprise credit needs of 15 low and moderate income individuals. 16 I'm here to request that the needs of 17 microenterprise -- not small business; it's a subset 18 of small business -- that the needs of 19 microenterprise be put on the table at this hearing. 20 I'd like to acknowledge a good meeting that 21 we had with senior Bank of America officials at our 22 office on December 18, 2003 in Arlington, Virginia, 23 where we discussed the needs of microenterprise and 24 how Bank of America can make a forward commitment to . 0214 1 the microenterprise needs in the nation and in their 2 banking area. But I just wanted to take a minute 3 and make a clear distinction between microenterprise 4 and small business. 5 Let's first understand that when the Small 6 Business Administration defines "small business" in 7 the United States, they're talking about businesses 8 of 500 and fewer employees, with capitalization 9 sometimes in the millions and hundreds of millions 10 of dollars. 11 Now, when we talk about microenterprise, 12 we're talking about a business with five or fewer 13 employees, we're talking about capitalization that 14 generally is $35,000 in most markets. It's more in 15 a market like Manhattan or some of the urban areas. 16 We were amazed this year to work with some 17 researchers at the University of Vermont, who did a 18 study on a 2000 census data that showed that over 19 16.9 percent of employment in the United States 20 comes from microenterprise. So we're not talking 21 about some small negligible niche. We're talking 22 about a solid part of the American economy. 23 Microentrepreneurs that we serve and our 24 members serve tend to be low to moderate income . 0215 1 individuals with relatively limited credit 2 histories. Thus, the approach to developing jobs 3 and working in microenterprise is for the private 4 sector and non-profit organizations to collaborate 5 together. 6 As a national trade association for 7 microenterprise, we're not in a position to refute 8 the claims of Bank of America in their small 9 business lending. We're also not here to talk about 10 Bank of America in their work in community 11 development and affordable housing. Again, what we 12 want to focus in on is microenterprise. 13 Unfortunately, our research shows that BofA has 14 failed to meet the microenterprise needs in the 15 nation. 16 Many of our member organizations have 17 voiced great concerns over Bank of America's past 18 record of acquisitions and mergers, which show a 19 decline in the bank's activity in the 20 microenterprise development communities. 21 Conversely, our members in the Fleet Bank 22 footprint are especially worried about this, as it 23 would damage some of the very positive and 24 constructive relationships that currently exist . 0216 1 between Fleet Bank and microenterprise. 2 In California, many of our members mark 3 what they call a pattern of abandonment after a 4 merger between Bank of America and other banking 5 institutions. And California, of course, is the 6 original home of Bank of America. Our state member 7 in California says, quote, a "...significant 8 decrease has been noted in Bank of America's 9 contributions and sponsorships to non-profits that 10 help low and moderate income individuals start their 11 own businesses." 12 And we have several members who will be 13 testifying on the needs of microenterprise at the 14 San Francisco hearing on Friday. 15 Absent a forward commitment to 16 affirmatively meet the obligation to address these 17 microcredit needs, AEO expressly opposes the merger 18 of Bank of America and FleetBoston; however, I noted 19 the meeting that we had with Bank of America on 20 December 18th. We look forward to working with Bank 21 of America to cooperatively develop microenterprise 22 in the United States. An investment in 23 microenterprise development can be an excellent 24 business strategy for Bank of America, just as this . 0217 1 has been found to be an excellent business strategy 2 for Fleet Bank. 3 Thank you all very much. I hope we all 4 have a good lunch. 5 (Lunch Recess) 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 0218 1 AFTERNOON SESSION 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We try to use 3 whatever flexibility we have on the timing, and 4 given the size of the group, what we'll do is give 5 you four minutes instead of three. We'll be a 6 little behind schedule, but I think we'll be okay. 7 Were you here this morning for the 8 introduction? Basically what we're asking is that 9 if you have -- that you do have the opportunity to 10 supplement your oral comments by submitting written 11 testimony if you brought it with you. 12 If you didn't, we are giving you one week 13 to submit your testimony or any additional comments 14 you may have. The registration desk has the 15 information about where to send it or fax it. And 16 your deadline is five o'clock a week from today, 17 Wednesday -- if this is Wednesday -- the 21st. So 18 it's five o'clock, Eastern Daylight Time. 19 With that, we'll go ahead and start. The 20 timekeeper will give you signals when you have two 21 minutes level and when you have one minute left and 22 when your time has expired. So with that, we're 23 ready to start. 24 MR. FORTE: Thank you. My name is Dan . 0219 1 Forte. I'm President of the Massachusetts Bankers 2 Association, which represents all the banks in 3 Massachusetts, 220 banks, including some throughout 4 New England, primarily community banks, 95 percent 5 of which are under $2 billion in size, as well as 6 all of the regional banks in the area. 7 From the industry perspective, while we 8 hate to lose another member, we are supportive of 9 the merger and do welcome B of A to Massachusetts 10 from a retail perspective, as they have been up here 11 for a number of years from the lending side. 12 I guess the general consensus of the 13 industry has been that this is really an 14 evolutionary part of the banking business as it 15 evolves into the financial services industry. And, 16 yes, competition will increase for the banking 17 industry itself, but that also brings with it a lot 18 of benefits for consumers as well as small business 19 customers. 20 We may be unique here in Massachusetts, but 21 we've never really or at least seldom have seen 22 issues that have come up as far as big banks and 23 small banks. The competition that we've often been 24 very concerned about are the nonbank competition . 0220 1 which often doesn't have the same type of regulatory 2 platform that the banking industry does. 3 We often point to -- right now we're 4 working on a legislation for CRA for mortgage 5 companies, which do predominant lending in many of 6 the local communities. And you often hear us talk 7 of credit unions that now have even gotten into 8 business lending. The competition has gotten so 9 great that the top 40 credit unions in Massachusetts 10 now make more profits than the entire cooperative 11 banking industry here, which is twice in number and 12 size as far as institutions are concerned. 13 The consolidation will continue, but we do 14 believe here in Massachusetts and New England it 15 will be somewhat retarded in the sense that the high 16 concentration of mutual banks here -- 65 percent of 17 all the institutions are not stock-owner owned here, 18 and that really compresses the consolidation. I 19 think we're going to have a large number of 20 community banks for a very long time to come going 21 forward. 22 Despite the consolidation, I guess one 23 point that's often made is, as the number of banks 24 have gone down, the actual number of branches has . 0221 1 increased, giving consumer access for retail and 2 commercial business as well. 3 From a product standpoint, I think Graham- 4 Leach-Bliley has been a big help. We still have our 5 squabbles with the insurance agents and now the 6 realtors. But the banking industry has truly grown; 7 it has become more financial services oriented. 8 And for community banks there have been a 9 number of joint ventures, some of which have been 10 initiated by Mass. bankers, including the SUM ATM 11 program, where we have over 200 banks and credit 12 unions that offer surcharge-free access to over 1800 13 machines, and that's been a good competitive balance 14 in the marketplace as well. 15 I think in technology, Y2K has been a great 16 equalizer for many of the banks, and I think that's 17 allowed institutions to provide not only a high- 18 touch performance on customer service, but also 19 high-tech in giving them more convenient access and 20 services. 21 As was pointed out today, it's very 22 unlikely that any divestitures are anticipated. 23 That would make it very easy for consumers. They're 24 not going to have to switch branches at all. . 0222 1 We have advocated in the past and we have 2 been very supportive of the model that was created 3 by Fleet/BankBoston, when there are in-market 4 mergers, that smaller institutions, local 5 institutions, do get a shot at those branches, and I 6 think that worked very well the last time. It's 7 going to be very convenient for consumers in this 8 consolidation. We have no concerns. 9 From the B of A perspective, with B of A 10 and Fleet getting together, we see them as a very 11 good competitor. They've had a strong history of 12 consumer-oriented products, a solid reputation for 13 customer service. And I think the fact that they're 14 headquartering their asset management group here in 15 Massachusetts really solidifies Boston as the 16 capital city for that type of business in the 17 future. 18 And last but not least, I think their 19 commitment to community, to their investments, and 20 to the market itself is evidenced in their past 21 history, as well as the industry have seen in the 22 past that doing business with the local community is 23 not only the right thing to do, but it's also good 24 for business. And we look forward to supporting . 0223 1 them as they move forward here. 2 Thank you. 3 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 4 Mr. Washington. 5 MR. WASHINGTON: Good afternoon. My name 6 is Joseph Washington, and I'm Chairman of the Board 7 of Directors and also CEO of the Organization for a 8 New Equality. We are a 20-year-old organization, 9 and our work is primarily in financial literacy and 10 asset building. 11 We have our national headquarters here in 12 Boston, Massachusetts, with offices in Queens, New 13 York, and Myrtle Beach and affiliates in Kansas 14 City, Missouri, and Washington, D.C. 15 The history of financial institutions 16 merging in the United States of America leaves 17 community leaders and nonprofits understandably 18 skeptical and fearful. Boston knows too well the 19 cost of mergers and acquisitions, BankBoston, 20 BayBank, and now Fleet Bank. We as community 21 leaders are now striving to ensure that low-to- 22 moderate-income communities and communities of color 23 do not bear the full weight of these mergers and 24 their costs. . 0224 1 Over the past few months, many concerns 2 regarding Bank of America's commitment to 3 Massachusetts have been expressed. However, since 4 the announcement of the merger, ONE has seen a 5 strong commitment from Bank of America to 6 communities in Massachusetts, especially communities 7 of color. Over the past few months, Doug Woodruff, 8 Cathy Bessant, Gail Snowden and Michael Glavin have 9 been working closely to meet with community groups 10 and leaders throughout the State of Massachusetts. 11 While mergers have presented challenges for 12 ONE and other nonprofits and the community as a 13 whole, ONE believes that this merger could be good 14 for the communities of colors and communities 15 throughout Massachusetts for several reasons. 16 First and foremost, Bank of America has 17 shown a strong commitment to working with community 18 groups throughout Massachusetts and a willingness to 19 address the concerns of the community. 20 Bank of America has reinforced their stated 21 commitment to maintaining employment and charitable 22 giving levels by naming several senior leaders among 23 Fleet's top leadership to join the ranks of senior 24 management within Bank of America. They have also . 0225 1 committed to lend and invest $750 billion for 2 community economic development over the next ten 3 years, and $100 billion of this new goal will be 4 achieved through lending and investments in Fleet's 5 markets. 6 Bank of America has also committed 7 $6 billion to Boston-based Neighborhood Association 8 Corporation of America and another $500 million for 9 3,000 local mortgage loans to low-and-moderate- 10 income residents. 11 Thirdly, in terms of philanthropic grants, 12 Bank of America has committed $1.5 billion over the 13 next ten years, which is a 40 percent increase for 14 both banks. 15 I have also had personal relationships with 16 Fleet and Bank of America, and while it has been 17 challenging at times with Fleet, we have maintained 18 a strong and solid relationship over the last 19 several years. Both banks have committed to 20 financially empowering communities of color through 21 financial literacy and asset development, an 22 integral part of economic and community development. 23 Bank of America also is a national 24 diversity leader. According to Diversity, . 0226 1 Incorporated, Bank of America was ranked ninth on 2 the Top 50 Companies for Diversity list. Also, Bank 3 of America was ranked fifth on the Top Ten Companies 4 for African-Americans and ranked seventh on the Top 5 Ten Companies for Latinos. 6 Additionally, as a national bank, Bank of 7 America has the ability to bring more resources to 8 our communities. Also, our community agencies have 9 the opportunity to work with a national bank and use 10 our best practices across the nation as a whole, 11 which could give rise to making local 12 initiatives scale to a national level. 13 With these mergers the banks can never do 14 enough for our communities, but it is important to 15 maintain a relationship with these institutions. We 16 have a relationship with FleetBoston Financial, and 17 it has sometimes, as I said, been quite a challenge. 18 But nonetheless, Fleet continued to work with us and 19 we continued to work with them to address the needs 20 of the community. 21 We've also had a relationship with Bank of 22 America and strongly look forward to building a 23 stronger relationship with them. We are certain 24 that they too will be responsive to the needs of the . 0227 1 community and continue to work with community 2 leaders to ensure that this merger will benefit the 3 community. 4 Lastly, we believe that Bank of America 5 will stand by its financial commitments to low- 6 income communities of Massachusetts and the 7 remainder of New England, and for these reasons ONE 8 supports the merger. 9 Ken Lewis stated that the Bank of America 10 is determined to be the number one community leader 11 and the bank of choice in our growing ethnically and 12 culturally diverse markets. In order to do this, 13 Bank of America must work in collaboration with the 14 community organizations of Massachusetts and the 15 entire nation as well. 16 Thank you. 17 MS. COMPERE: Good afternoon. My name is 18 Lauren Compere. I'm the Chief Administrative 19 Officer at Boston Common Asset Management, a social 20 investment firm here in Boston. I appreciate the 21 opportunity to express our concerns about the 22 proposed merger of FleetBoston with Bank of America. 23 I've been following personally both banks 24 since the mid-1990s as a social researchers. Boston . 0228 1 Common filed resolutions with FleetBoston and Bank 2 of America, asking for a detailed report on the 3 impact of the merger on director and executive 4 compensation, job losses, charitable giving and 5 community reinvestment initiatives. We were joined 6 by a broad-based coalition of our colleagues within 7 the social investment community in asking these 8 questions. 9 The members of our colleagues include the 10 Interfaith Center on Corporate Responsibility, a 11 coalition of faith-based institutions with assets of 12 almost $100 billion, mutual funds like Domini Social 13 Investments and Ethical Funds, and other social 14 investment firms, such as Trillium Asset Management 15 and Walden Asset Management also here based in 16 Boston. 17 I would like to submit for the public 18 record a copy of the shareholder resolution we filed 19 with the Bank of America and a letter that we 20 jointly wrote with Domini and Walden asking for more 21 information on the impact of the merger on all 22 stakeholder groups. 23 In addition to significant financial risks 24 posed by large mergers, mega-mergers like this one . 0229 1 with Bank of America may pose broad risks to 2 society, the environment and the economy. Boston 3 Common and our colleagues in the social investment 4 community are specifically concerned about the 5 impact of the merger on three critical stakeholder 6 groups: employees, communities and customers. 7 In terms of job losses, while Bank of 8 America officials have stated they expect to save 9 almost $1.6 billion in cost savings from the merger, 10 some of it will come from job cuts. Boston Common 11 is concerned that these job cuts will mostly hit 12 back-end employees, the lowest paid and least 13 equipped to deal with layoffs. We would like more 14 detailed information about the company's plans for 15 those layoffs and any plans to mitigate the impact 16 of these layoffs on its employees. 17 Executive compensation: We're interested 18 in understanding what incentive structures are in 19 place for the successful completion of the merger, 20 most particularly what bonuses and other financial 21 benefits will accrue to senior management and 22 directors at both companies. 23 In terms of the community, Fleet has been a 24 leader in everything from volunteerism to community . 0230 1 reinvestment. Losing this leadership will be a blow 2 not only to Boston but all the communities served by 3 the newly merged bank. 4 Fleet has won accolades for the work of its 5 subsidiary First Community Bank, under Gail 6 Snowden's leadership, who we really see has an 7 innovative approach to serving multicultural and 8 multilingual customers. We would hope that Bank of 9 America would maintain the First Community Bank 10 post-merger and build on this unique model 11 everywhere Bank of America does business. 12 In terms of charitable giving, Fleet's 13 annual $25 million in regional philanthropic giving 14 makes it the most generous locally. Chairman 15 Gifford has committed to maintaining Fleet's current 16 level of charitable giving. However, we remain 17 concerned that the charitable giving will lose its 18 regional focus post-merger. 19 We would encourage Bank of America to 20 maintain the FleetBoston Financial Foundation or 21 similar entity to ensure the continuation of Fleet's 22 strong legacy of civic leadership, community 23 service, and enduring community partnerships. 24 We are encouraged by the advertisements . 0231 1 from the banks stating that that merger will benefit 2 the banks' customers, employees and communities. We 3 believe that positive relationships with all 4 stakeholder groups are essential to a company's 5 long-term prosperity. 6 Through constructive dialogue, Boston 7 Common and others in the social investment community 8 look forward to hearing specifically how the bank is 9 planning to improve relationships with these 10 stakeholders by means of the merger and how the bank 11 is working to mitigate any potential damage to these 12 critical relationships. 13 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 14 much. 15 Mr. Harvey. 16 MR. HARVEY: Thank you. I'm Bart Harvey, 17 Chairman and CEO of The Enterprise Foundation, which 18 is a national nonprofit that has invested over 19 $5 billion to help produce 155,000 homes for very- 20 low-income people across the country and helped put 21 to work into entry-level jobs over 40,000 people and 22 improve neighborhoods through a network of 2,400 23 nonprofits in 850 cities or localities across the 24 country. . 0232 1 We support this merger. We have had a ten- 2 year relationship with Bank of America, starting 3 when it was NationsBank and Hugh McColl was running 4 it and Cathy Bessant was the principal community 5 investment officer. 6 I think some principles are important here. 7 Their commitment -- this was Hugh's and Cathy's -- 8 was to find every possible profitable way to meet 9 the needs of the underserved in NationsBank's 10 service area in order for the bank to be able to 11 grow at a rate that exceeded the population growth 12 of that service area. 13 They put two important principles to work 14 at NationsBank. The first was that community 15 reinvestment was to be an integral part of the 16 normal services of the bank, that it was to get 17 extra attention in order to be implemented, and that 18 it would be field-tested. This commitment was 19 communicated from the CEO down throughout the bank. 20 Secondly, NationsBank wanted to get an 21 Outstanding CRA rating, and NationsBank would 22 support community reinvestment as a critical part of 23 its mission and at a level that would result in an 24 Outstanding rating reflective of full implementation . 0233 1 of community reinvestment throughout the bank. 2 These two principles have been at work over 3 the last ten years, and we have worked with 4 NationsBank when it became B of A and with the 5 change of the CEO from Hugh McColl to Ken Lewis. 6 Enterprise has found a continuing willingness by 7 Bank of America to lend people, resources, capital, 8 innovation and the persuasion of its most senior 9 executives to carry out its community reinvestment 10 principles. 11 We have worked with B of A and have 12 committed over $800 million of B of A's resources -- 13 that's equity, lending, grants -- to meet the needs 14 of very-low-income people in neighborhoods across 15 the country. And the recent announcement of an 16 extremely large, $750 billion commitment for 17 affordable housing and community development, and a 18 substantial increase in the merged companies' 19 combined charitable contributions, is merely the 20 latest reaffirmation of B of A's commitment to 21 communities. 22 Furthermore, it should be noted that this 23 acquisition is of two financial institutions with an 24 Outstanding rating for community reinvestment. . 0234 1 I am certain, from the printouts that I get 2 of the ratings of B of A's CRA performance on a 3 state-by-state basis, that there are areas where 4 improvements in aspects of community reinvestment 5 can be made and should be made. There is no 6 question that advocates need to be vigilant in 7 keeping such a large institution operating at a high 8 level across each state and each area it serves. 9 At different times, improvement in specific 10 places is necessary, and Bank of America should be 11 accountable to its own goal of excellence in 12 community reinvestment. Such advocacy serves an 13 important role that allows a very large institution 14 to carry out its CRA mandate across all of its 15 markets. 16 Bank of America has the same information I 17 do. The key question for us is whether there is the 18 will, capability and talent to rectify situations 19 that may arise. From our experience with Bank of 20 America's senior management, there certainly has 21 been a long track record of will, capability and 22 performance, and that is why we -- with that 23 outstanding performance, that is why we are 24 supportive of this merger. . 0235 1 Thank you. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 3 MR. STITH: My name is Charles Stith, and I 4 was intimately involved in crafting the first 5 comprehensive CRA agreement in the country, which 6 was done right here in Boston. And among the other 7 jobs that I've had since then, I formerly worked 8 for -- I was employed by the organization that Mr. 9 Washington now heads. 10 At the onset, let me say I support the 11 merger. In a perfect world, as has been said by a 12 number of my colleagues on the dais, FleetBoston 13 would continue to exist as a separate entity. When 14 you lose a flagship institution like that, it 15 impacts on a community in a sundry of ways. 16 But having said that, I know the record of 17 all the institutions involved. I've known 18 intimately the top level leadership in all of the 19 institutions, from Dick Rosenberg and Terry Murray 20 to Hugh McColl and Chad Gifford. And I think that 21 we can expect, as a result of this merger, to see 22 comparable commitments to those that we've seen in 23 the past. 24 As was mentioned earlier, that Bank of . 0236 1 America has committed to maintain the asset 2 management group here in Boston is a plus; that Bank 3 of America had no substantial franchise in the 4 region also probably means that there will be less 5 in terms of jobs loss. 6 But that a merger of this consequence would 7 cause some anxiety is to be expected. The 8 unprecedented numbers of individuals and 9 institutions offering testimony is a reflection of 10 this fact. And herein lies the challenge for this 11 merger to be deemed a success. 12 The biggest challenge will not be in 13 merging systems or consolidating product lines. The 14 biggest challenge is in reassuring the community and 15 the market that this bigger bank will be responsive 16 to the extent that it's always been. The fears and 17 apprehensions in this region and the broader market 18 will only be assuaged if this new and improved bank 19 continues to do what it has done well over the 20 years, and that is communicate clearly its 21 commitments to service and then follow through. 22 The bank must demonstrate that it's 23 sensitive enough to hear the varying communities' 24 needs and savvy and nimble enough to develop product . 0237 1 consistent with those needs. The bank also needs to 2 articulate that the economies of scale that come 3 from a merged and efficient institution do not 4 result in, quote-unquote, economies of options and 5 opportunities. Folks need to be reassured that the 6 sum of the parts will not be less than the whole 7 they've come to rely on relative to their banking 8 needs. 9 Given what I know about these institutions, 10 I have no apprehension that it will pass the test. 11 Given what I know about these institutions, in the 12 final analysis, I feel like this merger will be an 13 asset to the region. 14 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 15 much. 16 MR. GUZZI: Good afternoon. My name is 17 Paul Guzzi, and I'm president and CEO of the Greater 18 Boston Chamber of Commerce. Let me try to summarize 19 written testimony to move the process along. We 20 represent more than 1700 businesses in the Greater 21 Boston area, and I testify in support of the merger 22 essentially for four reasons. 23 First, the record of leadership of Fleet in 24 the entire community and in this business community . 0238 1 has been and continues to be significant. My 2 understanding of Bank of America is of the same 3 caliber of leadership. And the fact that Chad 4 Gifford and others in the senior management team 5 will continue here over a predictable period of time 6 is significant. That record and that capital is 7 important. 8 Second, employment. There is a commitment 9 to maintain levels of employment within our region. 10 The fact that there is not duplication of branches 11 essentially within this area is very significant. 12 It has been noted, obviously mergers and 13 acquisitions result in some downsizing. I think 14 this is a better model in terms of employment. 15 Third, it's already been referenced, 16 commitment to community. It's very important to 17 have a healthy community. It's very important for 18 major institutions to be involved philanthropically, 19 to spend time as well as money in the community. 20 And it's already been noted, there has been and 21 continues to be a significant commitment to 22 community, including philanthropy. 23 And lastly, let me mention the area of 24 housing. It may sound somewhat strange that a . 0239 1 Chamber of Commerce is very committed to and 2 understands that housing is a competitive issue. 3 The commitments that Fleet and the new entity have 4 made are very significant. They will help us 5 maintain a competitive advantage. 6 For these and other reasons, I testify in 7 support of the merger, and we look forward to having 8 another world-class financial services institution 9 here within Boston. 10 Thank you. 11 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 12 much. 13 Mr. Jones. 14 MR. JONES: Thank you. My name is Dewitt 15 Jones, and I'm the Chief Operating Officer of Boston 16 Community Capital and the President of its affiliate 17 Boston Community Loan Fund. On behalf of Boston 18 Community Capital and Elyse Cherry, our CEO, who is 19 out of town today, I'm here to support the merger of 20 FleetBoston Financial and Bank of America. 21 Boston Community Capital is a community 22 development financial institution whose mission is 23 to help build healthy communities where low-income 24 people live and work. . 0240 1 Our lending has focused on loans and 2 projects that are unbankable, nonconforming, or 3 otherwise difficult to get financing from 4 conventional institutions. Throughout 5 Massachusetts, we have financed over 4500 units of 6 affordable housing, child care facilities and 7 schools that now serve 1300 low-income children, and 8 450,000 square feet of inner-city commercial space. 9 In addition, our equity investments support 10 businesses across the Northeast and have helped 11 create or preserve more than 1300 jobs in low- 12 income communities. 13 Boston Community Capital has grown from a 14 tiny Boston-focused nonprofit, capitalized with just 15 $3500 of religious money, to a regional organization 16 able to operate at a scale sufficient to have a real 17 and positive impact on the communities we serve. 18 Moreover, although our immediate focus is 19 the Northeast region of the United States, our 20 interests are national. Together with our peer 21 institutions across the country, we work to create a 22 national industry, now with more than $10 billion 23 under management, capable of effectively serving 24 low-income communities and of helping those . 0241 1 communities harvest the benefits that can emerge 2 from increased access to commercial capital markets. 3 Our growth at Boston Community Capital and 4 the growth of our industry would not have been 5 possible without the firm and unwavering support and 6 partnership of many institutions and individuals. 7 Banks have particularly been important partners, and 8 within that larger banking community, Fleet's 9 support has been significant, timely and innovative. 10 For example, Fleet was the lead investor in 11 our two community development venture capital funds, 12 and its early commitment encouraged investments from 13 other banks and investors. Fleet has also been an 14 important and innovative partner in our affordable 15 housing lending. 16 For example, Fleet committed funds for a 17 first-in-the-nation secondary market transaction 18 that reduced interest costs and generated 19 substantial equity for two nonprofit organizations 20 providing housing for homeless and low-income 21 families on Cape Cod. 22 Fleet partnered with us in an innovative 23 structure that provided a low interest rate, an 24 interest rate cap and reduced transaction costs for . 0242 1 low-income housing projects in Mattapan and Mission 2 Hill. And working with Fleet, we have been able to 3 provide early stage financing for construction of 4 new homes in both Holyoke and Roxbury, projects that 5 have turned large, long-vacant sites into vibrant 6 new residential communities. 7 In addition, through the development of 8 First Community Bank under Gail Snowden's 9 leadership, Fleet has created a national model for 10 the effective distribution of banking services in 11 low-income and minority communities. In short, by 12 partnering with CDFIs and other community 13 institutions, Fleet has effectively extended its 14 reach and ours to the benefit of the communities we 15 serve. 16 Mergers of large banks create uncertainties 17 for low-income communities and for the institutions 18 that serve them. Questions inevitably emerge about 19 the ongoing commitment of the newly merged and 20 substantially larger institution about whether 21 investment promises will be made and kept, about 22 whether decision makers will continue to be 23 available in the local market. 24 In this instance, however, we believe the . 0243 1 proposed merger of Fleet and Bank of America 2 presents an opportunity for two strong financial 3 institutions to join together to commit new 4 resources to finance underserved and low-income 5 communities, to enhance support for the innovative 6 financial products we seek to develop, and to 7 generate access to capital markets and create strong 8 and effective partnerships with CDFIs regionally and 9 nationally. 10 We look forward to an expanded relationship 11 with a much larger institution with far greater 12 means that can expand the resources and 13 opportunities available to its community development 14 partners. Indeed, as our industry grapples with the 15 challenge of growing to scale within a vastly 16 changed economic landscape, access to the strongest, 17 largest and most sophisticated bank partners is 18 critical to ensuring that the low-income communities 19 we serve are not left further behind. 20 We believe that the merger of Fleet and 21 Bank of America will provide new and expanded 22 opportunities, as we continue to build a national 23 industry of effective CDFIs, and we are therefore 24 pleased to support the application. . 0244 1 Thank you. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 3 much. Thank you for coming this afternoon. 4 This panel has been allocated four minutes 5 each, and so with that, we'll start with Mr. 6 Phillips. 7 MR. PHILLIPS: Thank you very much. My 8 name is Ron Phillips, and I'm President of Coastal 9 Enterprises in Maine, and I came down here from some 10 cold weather to get this warmer weather, and so I 11 appreciate the opportunity to talk to you. 12 I'm a founder of this organization, which 13 is a community development corporation and a 14 community development financial institution. I'm 15 also on the Board of Directors of the National 16 Community Capital Association and the National Board 17 of Directors of the Local Initiatives Support 18 Corporation, and also part of LISC's Rural Advisory 19 Council. 20 So I have been quite active with this field 21 for many years, in fact for 25 years, and I have 22 here a storybook of our organization which 23 chronicles the rise and growth of our entity to 24 finance small businesses, micro-enterprises, . 0245 1 affordable housing, community facilities such as 2 child care, and a number of other projects, 3 particularly the natural resource industries in the 4 State of Maine. 5 Fleet Bank has been a major supporter of 6 Coastal Enterprises. Bank of America has not been 7 in this region. I have tried to get them there, but 8 they have not been. This will be an opportunity for 9 us to try to induce them to be involved in our 10 organization. 11 Fleet Bank and CEI are in a strong 12 partnership. They serve on our Board of Directors. 13 Currently a commercial loan officer, Suzanne Dargie, 14 chairs our investment committee. There is a lot of 15 hard work and volunteer work that goes into that, to 16 put out the millions of dollars we put out annually 17 in targeted social investing. So this is very 18 helpful. 19 Before I came here, I calculated the level 20 of Fleet Bank's involvement in CEI. I was quite 21 surprised. Out of $100 million worth of community 22 investing, of socially directed investing, Fleet 23 Bank has participated in something like $25 million 24 worth of that. . 0246 1 And without their leadership, and without 2 their involvement in anything from our venture 3 capital funds, which they have helped start up -- 4 and by the way, we're also doing venture capital 5 outside of Maine, in other parts of New England -- 6 they have also been involved with our 7 micro-enterprise programs. 8 They have also supported our work with 9 refugees, new immigrants. They have even supported 10 our efforts to help the Native Americans in Maine. 11 I don't know how much you have been aware of the 12 fact that the Native Americans in Maine tried to get 13 a casino established to create some economic 14 opportunity for their tribes, and that failed in the 15 referendum in the State of Maine. 16 But outside of that, institutions like 17 Fleet, the Governor, all of us are trying to find 18 ways to do major development projects, and we think 19 Fleet has been stepping up in that regard. 20 Now, a couple of things I want to say if I 21 could about rural markets and rural regions, because 22 one of the things we're more experienced with in 23 community development is rural development and the 24 challenges we face there. . 0247 1 We have aging populations. We have out- 2 migration of youth. We face real challenges in 3 liveable-wage jobs. For example, in the State of 4 Maine alone, which has experienced, like the country 5 as a whole, a rapid decline in manufacturing jobs, 6 probably 25 percent of the net new jobs created, 7 mainly in the service sector, pay a liveable wage. 8 There is rural sprawl, there is 9 encroachment on farmland, there is acquisitions of 10 waterfront properties for other development other 11 than access for fisheries or other traditional uses. 12 The State of Maine has a coastline, I think, of 13 something like 3,500 miles. Only 25 miles of that 14 are currently involved in working waterfront 15 activities. 16 Fleet Bank, by the way, is looking at 17 helping us to capitalize and expand our 18 capitalization of a working waterfront loan fund. 19 So that gives you an example of at least that 20 institution's interface with an important rural 21 development strategy. 22 Micro-enterprises in the small business 23 sector are vital to the rural economies, and the 24 smaller size of the spectrum creates much more of . 0248 1 the employment opportunities than the larger 2 businesses. And this continues to be a challenge 3 for all of us, including Fleet Bank, and it will be 4 for Bank of America. 5 Let me try to conclude with the points I 6 want to make here. There are several things that we 7 think would be important to go forward with this 8 merger. We're not actually taking a position for or 9 against it, but believe, if it goes forward, the 10 Federal Reserve Board should make sure that state 11 plans are developed with the specific types of 12 measurable outcomes that have been listed here, and 13 I won't go into those for lack of time. But they 14 can include such things as micro-enterprise 15 development, commercial real estate, support for 16 community groups like the Native Americans and so 17 forth. We can work very closely with them. 18 Another point that I think would be 19 important is that the Bank of America or Fleet Bank 20 take a good hard look at the Federal Home Loan Bank 21 membership they would have in New England and see 22 what they can do to create a type of an economic 23 development initiative similar to the affordable 24 housing program. This is a leadership question that . 0249 1 these banks like Fleet or a merged bank can step up 2 and do something more innovative within that system. 3 The next thing they can do is talk about 4 specific goals around the capitalizing of the 5 revolving loan funds, micro-funds, and those sorts 6 of things. And that's a very important part of the 7 work we do to create new ventures and jobs in these 8 rural communities. 9 Finally, let me say one more thing. There 10 is one federal program that is currently active 11 called the New Markets Tax Credit Program. You may 12 have heard about it. This is a $15 billion 13 initiative. Fleet Bank is now and Bank of America 14 are getting involved with that. We think it is very 15 important that they get involved in that through the 16 CDFI and CDC networks that initiated that program 17 and that are targeting those kinds of investments 18 and can bring those to the table. 19 And last but not least, I would like to 20 mention that we're doing a little bit of research 21 now about predatory lending in Maine. I've been 22 listening to some of the comments here. We've been 23 discussing this issue with the Attorney General's 24 Office in the State of Maine. . 0250 1 We have been doing some work on it, and we 2 have seen already a surge in sub-prime lending. We 3 don't know a lot of the details behind all of this, 4 but we think it's a very important issue to keep 5 track of, and we would like to help Fleet Bank and 6 Bank of America come up with policies or apply 7 policies that are not going to violate people's 8 opportunities in that area. 9 Thank you very much. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 11 Mr. Taylor. 12 MR. TAYLOR: Thank you, Madam Chair. 13 Before I begin my remarks, I want to recognize that 14 this may be the last or second-to-the-last such 15 hearing that you will preside over, because after a 16 very distinguished career with the Federal Reserve 17 Bank, you are retiring. And I wanted to recognize 18 you for the commitment and the stand you have made 19 for community development in that capacity. 20 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 21 MR. TAYLOR: I want to thank the Federal 22 Reserve Bank in general for hosting this incredibly 23 important event, this discussion about the merger 24 between an important regional bank, Fleet Bank, and . 0251 1 the Bank of America. 2 I am the President of the National 3 Community Reinvestment Coalition, which is a 4 coalition of 500 community organizations. We've 5 come together actually for this kind of purpose. 6 We've been around since 1990, and our purpose is 7 economic justice, to see to it that traditionally 8 underserved communities are not overlooked by the 9 private financial sector. 10 So this hearing is precisely what the 11 National Community Reinvestment Coalition is all 12 about. The fact is, though, probably most citizens 13 in this Commonwealth and New England actually have 14 very little interest in this merger, ironically. 15 But for those of us who would testify today and 16 later in California, we know the profound 17 significance of this merger. 18 We also know that in the future, those 19 average citizens, who really aren't following this 20 as closely as many people in this room, will be 21 greatly impacted depending on the quality of forward 22 commitments and performance of the Bank of America 23 as it absorbs this incredibly important financial 24 institution from this area. . 0252 1 What the average citizen may realize 2 probably not too much later, is that Boston and this 3 State in New England is increasingly becoming a 4 banking colony, not uncommon for a lot of states. 5 But by this I mean that one more of the 6 ultimate decision makers, the people who run these 7 institutions, are going to be people who no longer 8 live or reside in the states where the institution 9 has branches, and this will be no exception for the 10 Fleet Bank. While there will be obviously people in 11 management capacities, for the most part, the 12 ultimate decision makers will be from outside of 13 Massachusetts and outside of New England. 14 In Massachusetts we call ourselves a 15 Commonwealth. And make no mistake about it, much of 16 our common wealth, of our assets, our capital, will 17 now be managed by new stewards who at the highest 18 levels, as I mentioned, will be from other areas of 19 the country. 20 As regional economies ebb and flow, these 21 new financial stewards will determine how much risk 22 tolerance they have for New England and elsewhere, 23 and such tolerance must relate to the Bank of 24 America's national business model and strategies. . 0253 1 What will be the commitment to invest in 2 Boston, Worcester, Hartford, Concord, Newark, New 3 Jersey, and Portland, Maine? What will be the 4 commitment when the micro-economies of these 5 communities are challenged? What about the rural 6 areas in our New England states? Will Bank of 7 America be there through thick and thin? What will 8 be their commitment to underserved communities? 9 As you know, there is a law that 10 affirmatively obligates this institution to serve 11 the credit needs of low-and-moderate-income 12 communities. What can we expect to be their 13 commitment to small businesses, affordable 14 multifamily housing, to operate full service bank 15 branches that employ people and make basic banking 16 services available to the people in this 17 Commonwealth and throughout New England? 18 To give credit, the Bank of America has 19 made an incredible announcement that represents the 20 single largest financial commitment in the history 21 of this country from a financial institution. They 22 are to be applauded for this. 23 That commitment, though, lacks details and 24 specific targets for individual loan geographies. . 0254 1 Not having these clarities is like having an all-pro 2 athlete without a team or a city to play in. We 3 know his commitment is great, but without a forward 4 commitment of what city and team he intends to play 5 for, it's hard for us to get excited. 6 In the case of the Bank of America's 7 commitment, they have put forward a whole team of 8 super-athletes, but we don't know what sport they 9 will be playing and what towns will benefit from 10 that athleticism. Enough of the sports analogy. 11 Congress gave the Federal Reserve Board the 12 responsibility to ensure that our capitalist system 13 works for all citizens. The Federal Reserve Bank 14 has been given the specific charge with ensuring 15 that all our citizens have fair and equal access to 16 credit and capital. 17 The decision here today is simply not a 18 matter of considering the approval of this merger, 19 but to provide direction, oversight and guidelines 20 to the banks in this merger as it relates to the 21 interests of consumers in this Commonwealth, in New 22 England, New York, New Jersey, and the rest of the 23 Bank of America's footprint. 24 This decision by the Federal Reserve Bank . 0255 1 will have a pervasive and historic impact on the 2 future of community development, affordable housing, 3 small business lending and overall bank lending, not 4 only in New England, but for us as a country as 5 well. The decisions you make or don't make 6 regarding the forward commitments of this financial 7 institution will be the future standard for other 8 banks that will undoubtedly merge. 9 The Federal Reserve Bank must encourage and 10 support these community efforts that seek clarity 11 and forward commitments from the bank. Bank of 12 America must make clear and quantifiable lending 13 commitments to serve the credit needs of those 14 cities and towns currently served by Fleet Bank. 15 There must be a detailed commitment to serve 16 minority and low-and-moderate-income geographies in 17 all of Bank of America's footprint. 18 Some nonprofits, community organizations 19 today have applauded the Bank of America for what 20 they have done and what they have done through those 21 organizations, and they should do that. NCRC 22 recognizes the Bank of America and Fleet for their 23 commitment to these partnerships and the resulting 24 good that has come from it. . 0256 1 But we must keep in perspective that 2 serving the credit needs of underserved communities 3 is more comprehensive than simply making grants or 4 loans to intermediary organizations. We are just 5 that, we are intermediary organizations that are 6 there to serve and to assist the lender in serving 7 low-and-moderate-income consumers. 8 But it continues to remain the 9 responsibility of the bank to in fact successfully 10 provide the needed loan products and banking 11 services to underserved populations. It remains the 12 responsibility of the bank regulatory agencies to 13 ensure that the actual volume and types of loans to 14 low-and-moderate-income borrowers meet the 15 respective credit needs of the various geographies. 16 Grants to nonprofits organizations are but 17 one measurement in this effort. The ultimate 18 measurement is the percentage of mortgage and small 19 business loans, the presence of full service bank 20 branches, the amount of community development 21 lending and investment that this bank makes in 22 traditionally underserved communities. 23 NCRC urges the Federal Reserve Bank to 24 support the community calls for two things: One, a . 0257 1 substantial community reinvestment plan; and two, a 2 commitment from the Bank of America that ensures 3 that it will put safeguards into place to ensure 4 that any of their sub-prime purchasing doesn't 5 contain any predatory lending practices. 6 Let me close -- I'll finish by saying, it's 7 in this building that 20 years ago I challenged the 8 First Bank, and it was then called Somerset Savings, 9 on the very top floor, with then an employee, who is 10 still an employee of the Federal Reserve Bank of 11 Boston, Bill Spring, sitting there with the bank and 12 myself discussing what needed to be done in the City 13 of Somerville, that I had my first experience. 14 And it was a good experience, because the 15 Federal Reserve then, and I hope now, really got the 16 import of what these hearings mean and what these 17 discussions mean, and the fact that a forward 18 commitment, clarity on what that commitment is -- 19 and we've heard bits and pieces of it. I don't mean 20 to say that there's been nothing. There certainly 21 has been. And I can speak to the character of many 22 of the people involved, in both banks. And, you 23 know, if that was the only measurement for me, I 24 think things would look terrific. . 0258 1 But the fact of the matter is, employees in 2 banks change, boards of directors change, things 3 change as time goes on. And to the extent that you 4 have a written document that commits very 5 specifically to underserved communities by 6 geographies, by loan products, by amounts, we can be 7 assured that that commitment will be followed 8 through. That's what happened when I met with this 9 bank. 10 I know that some of the bank personnel kind 11 of -- it's kind of difficult for them to hear some 12 of this criticism, but they need to understand that 13 it is difficult for us, as we work in underserved 14 communities, with all the people who are trying to 15 create their own dream of home ownership, of 16 starting small businesses, of having the kind of 17 quality of life that they deserve as hard-working, 18 tax-paying Americans, that all banks, not just Bank 19 of America, are incredibly important to that dream 20 and that goal. 21 So that is what this is all about, it is 22 about fairness. So NCRC urges the Federal Reserve, 23 when the hearings are over and the doors are closed, 24 to the extent that you can get as much detail about . 0259 1 that forward commitment, I really applaud you and 2 urge you to do that. 3 Thank you very much. 4 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 5 Mr. Anderson. 6 MR. ANDERSON: My name is John Anderson, 7 and my company is called The Real Estate Analyst, 8 and I have a couple of caveats first. I'm going to 9 use a couple of examples speaking, and there is more 10 information in the text which is submitted to the 11 Fed. And so you can look at it and read more about 12 it, or you can use it to line the birdcage or 13 whatever the case is. 14 Two is the fact that one of the things that 15 I concentrate on is not, for example, the $9 billion 16 that Bank of America gave to Bruce Marks and his 17 organization, NACA, but I look at how that money 18 transfers down to the individuals who are buying 19 houses and what the results of that money are. So I 20 would like to go on from there. 21 Unlike a lot of people who support this 22 merger, I think the merger should not be allowed. 23 As some of you know me, eight years ago at the 24 Fleet/Shawmut hearings, I pointed out that convicted . 0260 1 felons and others were buying and flipping real 2 estate in Dorchester, Roxbury and Mattapan, using 3 the targeted loan products of Fleet. 4 The Fed required Fleet to look at a very 5 small subset of the data that I gave them, and they 6 corrected far fewer. I've been told they only 7 corrected three. In the past year, two homes of 8 that subset were sold before the foreclosure auction 9 because prices have gone so high, and a third 10 property was refinanced before the second scheduled 11 foreclosure auction. 12 For this reason alone, the merger should 13 not be allowed, but of course the Fed did nothing 14 then, and the Fed will do nothing now. So let's 15 move on to another issue. 16 There is much in the news on targeted loan 17 programs. There is much about the amount of money 18 being loaned, the number of loans, the racial and 19 ethnic makeup of the buyers, but very little on the 20 results of home ownership. 21 Several years ago I pointed to out to Dr. 22 Jim Campen over at UMass Boston that it was common 23 to see homeowners with targeted mortgages in 24 foreclosure or bankruptcy or borrowing from . 0261 1 predatory lenders. He acknowledged that it happens, 2 but asked, "How often?" I told him, "Every day," 3 from what I could tell, and started a little e-mail 4 list to send out examples of how often this was 5 taking place. 6 I could give you lots of examples, but I 7 decided to let the Boston Globe pick an example for 8 me. Nine years ago the Boston Globe ran an article 9 that showed an Ana Martinez and the home that she 10 purchased through Fleet with the assistance of Bruce 11 Marks's UNAC, now NACA. She was ecstatic at the 12 time she purchased her house, which should be 13 wonderful. But it's a different story after the 14 last eight years. 15 After initially borrowing additional money 16 from Fleet and from other prime lenders, she turned 17 to sub-prime lenders. Her principal now is three 18 times what it was when she purchased her home. Is 19 this a success story? Does anybody know this is 20 taking place, and does anybody look at it? 21 Then I would like to -- skipping over a few 22 other examples for the Fed that the Fed has, I would 23 like to give you an example combining some of the 24 elements I've been talking about, which is . 0262 1 speculators who are using targeted loan programs to 2 get minority and other low-income buyers to pay far 3 more for their homes than they're worth, and two 4 elements that the Fed likes to pretend they care 5 about, which is sub-prime and predatory lending. 6 A few years ago, at the hearing the Boston 7 Fed held on predatory lending, I testified that 8 while I was working with Bay State Banner reporter 9 Yawu Miller, we stumbled upon an 82-year-old woman 10 who was losing her home to the second of two 11 sub-prime loans she received. Nobody stepped 12 forward to help her, and she lost her house. 13 That should be bad enough, but the buyer of 14 the home at the auction was a speculator who doubled 15 the price of the property and sold it again to a 16 buyer with a NACA-originated Fleet loan. 17 But the bad news doesn't stop there. The 18 owner starts borrowing additional money from Fleet 19 before starting to borrow sub-prime money. The 20 principal on the latest mortgages is now more than 21 twice what the original mortgage was, and that's in 22 a three-year period. 23 While activists and others are wringing 24 their hands over the lack of equity in the black . 0263 1 community, just look at that property. Equity is 2 removed when the woman loses her home of 48 years. 3 Then equity is lost when the buyer pays twice what 4 the speculator paid for it a few months earlier. 5 And then more equity is lost when the homeowner 6 borrows against the value of his property. That's 7 how you lose equity in the black community, and 8 there is NACA and Fleet right in the middle of it. 9 But it's not just NACA. One more example 10 I'll bore you with. There is a group of people who 11 are -- I'm supposed to be finishing, so I won't give 12 you the last example. 13 I'll simply finish by saying I've been 14 bringing this to the Fed's attention for the last 15 eight years, several people here have had to put up 16 with me, and still nothing has been done about it, 17 and it's happening now. We do know one thing: The 18 only good thing that will definitely come out of 19 this merger is that we'll no longer have to waste 20 our time in these hearings. 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 22 much. 23 MS. PSORAS: Hello. My name is Andrea 24 Psoras, and thank you also for having this forum to . 0264 1 address this proposal between FleetBoston and Bank 2 of America. 3 Although I'm not an urban activist, I am 4 here to oppose this proposed merger, this proposed 5 acquisition of FleetBoston Financial by Bank of 6 America, based materially out of North Carolina, a 7 non-New England state. 8 I am here as an expert of sorts who has 9 provided bank and thrift consulting services not 10 exclusive to business combination advice and 11 recap/bailout work for sick banks and thrifts, with 12 that work often having engaged New-England-based 13 banks and thrifts in the late '80s and '90s. One of 14 my former employers actually was owned by Advest 15 Group, a regional broker/dealer based in Hartford, 16 an area where FleetBoston provides its banking 17 services and products. 18 While engaging in our advisory services to 19 the financial community throughout New England, I 20 observe that its economy had and has suffered more 21 deeply and more broadly during economic slowdowns 22 than virtually any other region in the United 23 States. 24 One can look at the headlines of a lot of . 0265 1 the community investment and/or merger-related 2 contributions into community reinvestment activity. 3 A recent one, "Bank of America pledges $756 billion 4 for affordable housing," and another, "Communities 5 benefit from bank partnerships." 6 Since the Community Reinvestment Act of 7 1997, and more frequently of late, when community 8 activists have pressured bank management and the 9 Federal Reserve Bank to withhold approvals for 10 mergers unless banks and similar depository 11 institutions committed to reinvesting in the 12 communities from which the banks are looking to 13 obtain business of any sort, we regularly have been 14 seeing headlines describing community development 15 assistance to improve those neighborhoods that had 16 suffered from bank redlining and other forms of 17 discrimination, flawed federal, state and local 18 policies, and urban planning that have produced 19 urban battlefields and scorched earth, some areas 20 which still bear these scars. 21 I coincidently live in Harlem, and I can 22 attest to the fact that that area of the city still 23 reflects the redlining, in spite of all of the 24 contributions with regard to community reinvestment . 0266 1 and merger activity. 2 Despite these nice proposals for more 3 banking welfare, and this particular from Bank of 4 America, formerly North Carolina National Bank, 5 perhaps because Acorn and a number of these other 6 community groups have relied heavily on these CRA 7 proceeds, they are dependent and biased, you know, 8 by the financial influence that the banks have. 9 You know, without Wall Street merger 10 experience, however, many of these activist groups 11 are looking at the seemingly large ransom they can 12 leverage from these banks -- to which they would 13 have access anyway, even without the merger, under 14 the current Community Reinvestment Act -- but their 15 ignorance of the law promotes their thinking that 16 they need to get the proceeds from bank mergers. 17 Although some would laud, on behalf of New 18 England, the sort of business headlines that I had 19 mentioned, and it would augur well for any bank to 20 commit to broad and deep community development in 21 its market area, these shallow proposals and 22 well-meaning endeavors remain insufficient to 23 address the deeper needs of the New England region, 24 and arguably throughout the economy around the . 0267 1 United States. 2 This scorched earth, the banks themselves 3 have contributed to this, and CRA, although it has 4 really helped improve the situation, I can't see 5 that, unless these banks address some of the other 6 practices that have promoted -- I wouldn't go quite 7 so far as to say urban decay, but have somewhat 8 impaired the thriving economies, one of which had 9 been New England. 10 I attribute these serious problems in part 11 to, although this is not a forum for this particular 12 subject, to free trade. Anyone well informed on the 13 commercial fraud of free trade understands the only 14 benefactors of it are the corporate management, the 15 lobbyists and the politicians receiving the campaign 16 contributions in order to get access to imported 17 goods without tariffs. 18 New England's economy was based on various 19 sorts of value-added manufacturing and primary 20 manufacturing, which has been seriously eroded and 21 negatively impacted by things like free trade. 22 If you follow the argument that I 23 described, the domestic market for which we produce 24 disintegrates when our neighbors feel that what we . 0268 1 produce and what they in turn will be charged for 2 our work is perceived to be too expensive. 3 Since my time is at an end, I'll submit the 4 rest of my comments, already having added that. 5 Although today I'm here to oppose this 6 proposed acquisition of FleetBoston by Bank of 7 America, I will further condemn the offenders who 8 are looking to benefit from it, as well as 9 condemning the perpetrators of the economic 10 deterioration in New England due in part to the 11 things I've described, I believe again one of which 12 would be Bank of America, which I think would ignore 13 the real needs of the New England economy. 14 I think too-big-to-fail has enabled large 15 institutions to engage domestically and globally in 16 marginal commercial and banking practices. Both 17 Fleet and Bank of America have practiced this, based 18 on an ability to have protection with regard to the 19 doctrine of too-big-to-fail. 20 As an expert, I worked on bank and thrift 21 recap work. Many of the little banks were just 22 severed, closed, whatever the rest of the lingo, but 23 the large banks were given largesse. And although 24 not directly on the taxpayer's wallet, . 0269 1 unfortunately, it weakened the banking environment. 2 I think FleetBoston's investment and 3 banking/stock strategies had its costs, and I could 4 go on with regard to its forays into what eventually 5 deteriorated with the bubble. 6 But I would propose either fire the board, 7 you know, which you can do. You don't have to sell 8 the bank in order to get the bank to, you know, 9 operate in a more efficient way. But by selling the 10 bank to another potentially more harmful competitor 11 would be a serious misstep for the other 12 stakeholders, one of which is the New England 13 economy. The price is too low to give up such a 14 strategic position in this region. 15 Management should be more cautious than to 16 reveal their glee at the thought of getting their 17 pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, while 18 shafting many of the other stakeholders not enjoying 19 the millions that the FleetBoston senior management 20 and Bank of America management will enjoy with 21 regard to the exercising of their golden parachutes. 22 I believe we see an agency problem 23 dramatized in this acquisition proposal. And since 24 that is the case, it would also disserve so many if . 0270 1 the Fed permitted this merger. Management has 2 everything to gain with little to lose, while 3 virtually everyone else in two regions in the 4 Eastern U.S. have more to lose with little upside 5 gain under the Bank of America banking model. 6 As we ignore the root of the problem that 7 acts as an undertow on which the sale of the bank is 8 predicated, selling FleetBoston to the Bank of 9 America would maintain the dysfunctional status quo, 10 and this we must oppose. 11 Thank you. 12 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 13 Mr. Cole. 14 MR. COLE: Thank you very much. My name is 15 Chris Cole. I am Regulatory Counsel for the 16 Independent Community Bankers of America. It is a 17 trade association representing approximately 4600 18 banks nationwide, at 17,000 locations. We represent 19 many of the community banks in New England, and in 20 particular many of the mutual thrift associations in 21 the New England area. 22 ICBA is very concerned with the continued 23 concentration of banking assets in the U.S. and the 24 effect that concentration has not only on bank . 0271 1 competition, but on consumers, on small businesses, 2 and on communities. This merger will catapult Bank 3 of America into the second largest bank holding 4 company in the United States, in terms of assets, 5 and will mean that the top eight financial 6 institutions in this country will control 7 approximately 51 percent of total U.S. banking 8 assets. 9 Unfortunately, the evidence shows that 10 increased concentration in the banking industry has 11 not benefited bank customers and has not had a 12 positive effect on the convenience and needs of the 13 communities served by the acquired banks. 14 For example, large bank mergers often have 15 an adverse effect on consumer deposit pricing and 16 often result in higher fees to consumers. We have 17 several studies to support that. We therefore urge 18 the Federal Reserve Board to examine closely the 19 effect that this merger will have on deposit pricing 20 and on fees in the New England area. 21 Since large bank mergers often have an 22 adverse effect on small business lending, we urge 23 the Board to look at the impact that the merger will 24 have on small business lending in the New England . 0272 1 area. 2 Along with consumers and small businesses, 3 it is often the case that local communities are 4 adversely impacted when statewide banks are acquired 5 by large national bank franchises located outside of 6 the state. 7 ICBA notes that Bank of America has pledged 8 $750 billion for community economic development over 9 the next decade, and that $100 billion of that is 10 earmarked for loans and investments in Fleet's 11 markets in the New England area. 12 However, the details of this commitment are 13 unclear, as everybody has been bringing up. In this 14 regard, ICBA thinks that the large national banks, 15 like Bank of America, should be examined locally, 16 under the CRA, as community banks are examined right 17 now, instead of simply at the main office of the 18 bank. 19 During the first two CRA exams following 20 the merger, we would urge bank examiners from the 21 OCC to review Bank of America's commitment to the 22 New England community, to see if they are indeed 23 spending the money they have pledged to spend, and 24 to compare their actual community spending in New . 0273 1 England with Fleet's programs prior to the merger. 2 Finally, we note that Bank of America has 3 interpreted the Reigle-Neal Act very broadly to 4 comply with the 10 percent cap in that statute, 5 which prohibits a merger if the resulting bank would 6 control more than 10 percent of the total deposits 7 in this country. ICBA is not convinced that it was 8 Congress's intention to interpret that statute that 9 broadly. 10 In any case, consumers, small businesses 11 and local communities often suffer when large 12 national banks merge and dominate the banking 13 industry. That is why community banks will resist 14 any attempt to increase the 10 percent cap imposed 15 by the Reigle-Neal Act or to try to broaden the 16 definition of deposits under that statute. 17 Thank you very much for this opportunity to 18 testify. 19 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 20 MR. MARSICO: Good afternoon. My name is 21 Richard Marsico. I'm substituting for Jim Campen, 22 who could not be here this afternoon. I will be 23 presenting Professor Campen's testimony. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Four minutes or . 0274 1 less. 2 MR. MARSICO: In four minutes or less. 3 Professor Campen is Associate Professor of 4 Economics at the University of Massachusetts Boston 5 and a member of the Boards of Directors of the 6 Massachusetts Affordable Housing Alliance and the 7 Fair Housing Center of Greater Boston. 8 Although the proposed merger raises many 9 issues, this testimony will address just one of 10 them, the very dramatic decline of home purchase 11 mortgage lending in Boston and in Massachusetts by 12 Fleet since its merger with BankBoston in 1999. 13 On July 7th, 1999, Professor Campen 14 testified at the public hearing on the Fleet/ 15 BankBoston merger that was held here. The previous 16 month he had released a report entitled "Does One 17 Plus One Equal More Than Two or Less Than One: A 18 Study of Mortgage Lending Before and After Recent 19 Mergers by Fleet and BankBoston." 20 The main finding of this study was that, 21 both in the City of Boston and in all of 22 Massachusetts, lending to African-American, Latino, 23 and low-and-moderate-income borrowers by Fleet in 24 1998 was approximately half of the total lending to . 0275 1 these borrowers by Fleet and Shawmut combined in 2 1995. That is, the result of the Fleet/Shawmut 3 merger was one plus one equals one. 4 Fleet's performance, but not that of 5 BankBoston, fell far short of meeting the criteria 6 of one plus one is greater than two that was 7 emphasized by CEOs Murray and Gifford at their March 8 15th, 1999, press conference announcing the proposed 9 merger. 10 In his testimony, Professor Campen cited 11 the example of LMI borrowers purchasing homes in the 12 City of Boston. In 1995, such borrowers received 13 274 loans from Fleet and 400 loans from Shawmut, for 14 a total of 674 loans. In 1998, Fleet made 335 15 loans, for a decrease of almost exactly half, 50.3 16 percent. 17 This particular finding was chosen as 18 representative, not extreme. The same general 19 pattern existed whether one looked at Boston or the 20 entire state, at loans to African-Americans, to 21 Latino or to LMI borrowers. 22 The point of Professor Campen's testimony 23 at the 1998 hearing was to highlight the possibility 24 that the Fleet/BankBoston merger would turn out like . 0276 1 the Fleet/Shawmut merger and that total mortgage 2 lending would dramatically decrease after the merger 3 was completed. 4 It turns out that Professor Campen's 5 worries, shared by many of those who testified at 6 the July 1999 hearing, were fully justified. Home 7 purchase lending by Fleet in 2002 was dramatically 8 lower than lending by Fleet and BankBoston combined 9 in 1999, the year of their merger. 10 Professor Campen focuses on home purchase 11 lending because of its great importance to creating 12 home ownership and because that was the focus of his 13 1999 testimony. 14 In this testimony Professor Campen will 15 focus on what has happened to the level of Fleet's 16 lending in the City of Boston during the 1999 to 17 2002 period. Fleet and BankBoston combined made 18 1,006 home purchase loans in Boston in 1999, but 19 Fleet made only 400 loans in 2002, a decrease of 20 60.2 percent. The 2002 total was less than one 21 quarter of the 1,714 home purchase loans made in 22 1995 by BankBoston, BayBank, Fleet and Shawmut 23 combined. 24 When we consider the number of these loans . 0277 1 that went to minority and lower-income borrowers, we 2 find similar trends that are included in the tables 3 that he submitted in his testimony. 4 In each of these cases, the result of the 5 Fleet/BankBoston merger was one plus one is less 6 than one, a very long way indeed from the one plus 7 one is greater than two that Chairmen Murray and 8 Gifford said would result. 9 Professor Campen believes that these very 10 substantial falls in home purchase lending in the 11 City of Boston, the Boston MSA and the State of 12 Massachusetts in the aftermath of the 13 Fleet/BankBoston merger deserve your careful 14 scrutiny, and he thanks you for the opportunity to 15 present these comments. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 17 much. Any questions? 18 Thank you for coming this afternoon. 19 We'll start with Ms. Callahan. 20 MS. CALLAHAN: Thank you. 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: You have four 22 minutes each. 23 MS. CALLAHAN: Distinguished members of the 24 Panel, thank you for allowing me to appear today to . 0278 1 express the perspective of small property owners on 2 the proposed merger of Bank of America and 3 FleetBoston. Further consolidation in the banking 4 industry is detrimental to the interests of local 5 communities, citizens and taxpayers. Therefore, the 6 application of Bank of America to acquire 7 FleetBoston should be denied. 8 I am Pat Callahan. I live in Washington, 9 D.C., but was born and raised in Boston. I'm also 10 the president and founder of the American 11 Association of Small Property Owners, the voice of 12 small landlords and real estate investors. I am a 13 community organizer from the property-owning class. 14 I have been working with groups in Massachusetts and 15 around the country for ten years. I consider our 16 most notable accomplishment getting rid of rent 17 control in Massachusetts in 1994. 18 Unlike many others in this room, I am not 19 here to extort money from the banks. I am here to 20 demand accountability from the banks and from the 21 regulators. 22 You, the regulators, are supposed to be 23 protecting the public from fraud. Fleet Bank and 24 others like them can treat customers and the public . 0279 1 with impunity. They act like they are accountable 2 to no one. Fleet has no fear of you. 3 You have heard extensively about community 4 development and other services and programs, like 5 education, but you need to look at management to get 6 and evaluate the basics of banking. 7 FleetBoston is the poster child for bad 8 corporate behavior. The management problems at 9 Fleet are so severe that the Federal Reserve should 10 delay any merger considerations and immediately 11 undertake an investigation to determine why 12 FleetBoston is not using due diligence to protect 13 customers' monies from fraud. 14 While my experience with AASPO would 15 provide a wealth of reasons to support our position 16 to deny the bank merger, my own personal story 17 graphically illustrates what is wrong with the 18 present trend toward consolidation. 19 I had money taken from my account on a 20 forged signature in Boston at Fleet Bank six years 21 ago, and despite my considerable effort and 22 resources -- I am a lawyer -- I have been unable to 23 get my money returned. Fleet Bank has at every 24 juncture treated it as my problem, not theirs. . 0280 1 In 1998 I discovered that Fleet Bank had 2 cashed three checks totaling $88,000 with my 3 endorsements forged. Five and a half years later, 4 after stonewalling, they now claim that the statute 5 of limitations has run, and, "Hey, lady, you're out 6 of luck." 7 Fleet doesn't deny that my signature was 8 forged. You can see for yourself, in the materials 9 I provided, how different the signatures are. Fleet 10 cashed a $50,000 check, apparently without requiring 11 identification. Fleet will not accept 12 responsibility and reimburse me for my loss. Fleet 13 instead engaged in a cover-up with such consistency 14 that I suspect that this MO has been applied to many 15 others. 16 First Fleet said that I was not an owner, 17 that I was a mere convenience, but I disproved that. 18 They then hid behind the UCC, claiming that the law 19 creates a legal presumption that all signatures on 20 negotiable instruments are valid, and that if they 21 thought it was genuine, it was genuine. Well, 22 that's pretty twisted logic. Finally, Fleet 23 produced a phony affidavit that had nothing to do 24 with the checks, but my money still has not been . 0281 1 returned. 2 Before Fleet disappears and Gifford takes 3 his millions, I want my money returned. The only 4 way to hold this arrogance in check is by 5 regulation, oversight and penalties, with the money 6 from penalties going to the U.S. Treasury, not Bruce 7 Marks. 8 I have written more than six times to Fleet 9 officers and directors, specifically Chad Gifford 10 and Gary Spiess, and seven outside directors, 11 including the Dean of Faculty at the Harvard 12 Business School, but they have all ignored me. 13 Having been a lawyer at SEC, I know that corporate 14 governance requires directors to exercise 15 independent judgment over corporate management. 16 Here there is a glaring failure to do so. 17 FleetBoston has not protected customers or 18 the public from financial fraud, and in fact Fleet 19 management has established a pattern of avoiding 20 responsibility, even when criminal acts are brought 21 to their attention. 22 Finally, in determining whether to approve 23 a bank merger, the Board considers several factors. 24 The fifth factor is managerial resources and . 0282 1 includes consideration of the competence, experience 2 and integrity of the banks' officers and directors. 3 Clearly and unequivocally, Fleet's officers and 4 directors fail on this point. 5 Thank you. 6 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 7 Mr. Wong. 8 MR. WONG: Aloha. My name is Al Ku'ahi 9 Wong. I am the President of the Boston Hawaiian 10 Club here in Boston. We're a group of about 100- 11 plus folks from Hawaii, both folks who have the 12 native blood, in addition to those who have lived 13 there or like our culture. 14 Our core mission in our club is to preserve 15 and perpetuate native customs and Hawaiian values. 16 Notice "perpetuate." We cannot perpetuate and 17 pursue the life, liberty and happiness unless we 18 have the common tools to do so, such as mortgages. 19 I'll be surprised if those in the audience 20 here have not seen an article in the Boston Globe 21 today -- I got a call yesterday from the writer -- 22 which starts off, "Unless Bank of America provides 23 more mortgages to Native Hawaiians, the Boston 24 Hawaiian Club in adamant. It wants the Federal . 0283 1 Reserve Board to deny approval of the bank's merger 2 with FleetBoston Financial Corporation." 3 Here is why. Excuse me. You have copies 4 of my full written testimony, and if you care to 5 follow it, I'm on Page 1, the second paragraph, 6 which starts, "Bank of America's $150 million 7 Hawaiian Commitment to FHA-247. In December of '93, 8 based on evidence of illegal discriminations against 9 Native Hawaiians and Filipinos, the Hawaii Fair 10 Housing Coalition proceeded to formally protest Bank 11 of America's application to the Office of Thrift 12 Supervision for regulatory approval to merge with 13 Liberty Bank. 14 "The Coalition then transmitted its 15 analysis of Bank of America's lending practices to 16 the U.S. Department of Justice. As a result, the 17 DOJ began investigating Bank of America for 18 violation of fair lending laws. Confirmation of 19 this investigation was made in a January 4, 1994, 20 letter from the FBI's Honolulu office to a key 21 member of the Coalition. 22 "The protest was deemed substantial, and 23 five months later the OTS held a hearing in Hawaii 24 on the matter. In May of 1994, as a result of the . 0284 1 Coalition's actions, the Federal Reserve Board order 2 approving Bank of America's acquisition of Liberty 3 Bank incorporated the fact that Bank of America 4 recently announced a comprehensive program to 5 enhance service to the Native Hawaiian and Filipino 6 communities. The program included a four-year 7 commitment," four years, "to provide $150 million in 8 residential mortgage loans for Native Hawaiians 9 seeking housing on Department of Hawaiian Home 10 Lands." 11 As you can see, I have the appropriate 12 citation down there that gives where that 13 information is from. 14 I am now on the last paragraph on Page 2: 15 "The $150 million commitment to FHA-247 loans was to 16 be carried out between July of 1994 and June of 17 1998. This was one of the primary commitments made 18 by Bank of America to the Federal Reserve Board in 19 connection with the Liberty Bank application, and 20 pursuant to its regulations the Board made the 21 commitment a written condition of its approval." 22 Since then $30 million was spent in this 23 effort. Five and a half years late, there are 24 monies owed still. If we as a mortgage owner were . 0285 1 five days late with a lending institution, they 2 would say something. If we're five months late, we 3 don't have a home. 4 Now I'm on Page 4, the last paragraph: 5 "NationsBank and Bank of America Executives arrive 6 in Hawaii. On August 10th, 1999, Cathy Bessant, 7 President of NationsBank Community Development 8 Group" -- she is currently the chief marketing 9 officer for BOA -- "Doug Woodruff, as well as 10 another NationsBank executive and an executive for 11 BOA, arrived in Hawaii for meetings regarding BOA's 12 commitments to the Hawaiian people. On August 11, 13 1998" -- I want to backtrack. August 8, 1998, was 14 the 100th anniversary of the legal annexation of the 15 Kingdom of Hawaii, a sovereign nation, to the United 16 States, so on August 11th there were thousands of 17 people in Hawaii recognizing this occasion. 18 Anyway, these bankers met with, as I say, 19 all these elders and all these folks on the Palace 20 of Iolani, Iolani Palace in Honolulu. At this 21 occasion they confirmed that BOA would complete the 22 $150 million Hawaiian obligation without delay. 23 I can see that I have been given a 24 heads-up, so I'm going to see if I can move along . 0286 1 faster. It's not easy. I'm not a banker. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Why don't you 3 just decide what last point you want to make. 4 MR. WONG: Okay. I'll close with saying 5 that we urge the Federal Reserve Bank not to approve 6 the application of this merger until this commitment 7 has been satisfied. They have made no notions of 8 their intent to do so. 9 I appreciate this opportunity. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 11 much. 12 MR. COLEMAN: How much time do I have? Is 13 it three minutes? 14 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: You have four 15 minutes. 16 MR. COLEMAN: I'll read a little more 17 slowly, then. 18 My name is Joseph Coleman, President of 19 RiteCheck Financial Services Centers in New York, 20 and director of FiSCA, Financial Service Centers of 21 America, a national trade association representing 22 over 5,000 check cashers in local communities across 23 the country. 24 I come before you today as a mythological . 0287 1 beast. According to myths told around the campfires 2 of some banks and federal offices, the so-called 3 check-casher beast preys on low-income Americans, 4 charges them high fees, deprives them of bank 5 accounts, and launders money to boot. 6 One glance at the real life lived in low- 7 income areas, as opposed to this invented 8 mythological realm, and this beast undergoes a 9 metamorphosis into the local hard-working 10 businessmen and women who provide an absolutely 11 essential bottom rung on the ladder out of poverty. 12 Check cashers provide transaction-based, 13 low-cost financial services. Check cashers provide 14 three critical low-income necessities that banks, 15 with their relationship-based business model, cannot 16 provide. These necessities are liquidity, access 17 and service. I would love to elaborate on those 18 three more, but I'll go on. 19 Check cashers provide these necessities at 20 lower costs than banks can. In short, ours is the 21 model that succeeds at providing financial oxygen to 22 low-income Americans and minorities. 23 Another myth is that check cashers are high 24 risk for money laundering. This is a particularly . 0288 1 pernicious myth that some federal examiners use to 2 scare bankers away from check cashers. 3 Check cashers are less prone to money 4 laundering than banks. Check cashers are 5 structurally encumbered from money laundering. 6 Launderers want to get money off the street and into 7 the banking system. The check casher earns his 8 living by taking money out of the banking system and 9 putting it onto the street. 10 Our association was in the vanguard of 11 developing comprehensive training programs for our 12 member companies to comply with the Bank Secrecy Act 13 and the U.S. Patriot Act. And if that is not enough 14 to convince, James Sloan, previous director of 15 Treasury's Financial Crimes Enforcement Network, 16 stated that, quote, check cashers do not represent a 17 heightened risk for money laundering, unquote. 18 So what does all of this have to do with my 19 industry's opposition to this acquisition? Echoing 20 an unproven assertion by the OCC that check cashers 21 are at high risk for money laundering, both these 22 institutions have summarily closed all of their 23 check casher accounts. 24 Check cashers cannot operate without a bank . 0289 1 to provide cash and clear checks. When two banks of 2 such extensive geographical reach take such a 3 draconian position regarding an entire industry, it 4 puts upward pressure on the fees that check cashers 5 must charge and threatens the very existence of 6 these companies in the areas that most need them. 7 And make no mistake, many people use our 8 services because what banks offer is useless to 9 them. Driving out check cashers does not somehow 10 magically lead to people having bank accounts. It 11 just pushes the bottom rung up out of poverty even 12 more out of their reach. 13 It is FiSCA's view that the Federal Reserve 14 Bank should require, as a condition to approving the 15 acquisition, that Bank of America make commercial 16 banking facilities available to check cashers and 17 prohibit the bank from enforcing its discriminatory 18 blanket withholding of services from the entire 19 industry. 20 If we can improve the quality of 21 partnerships between check cashers and banks, we 22 will see the beauty in the beast. 23 Thank you for this opportunity. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. . 0290 1 Ms. Maker. 2 MS. MAKER: Good afternoon. My name is 3 Ruhi Maker, and I'm here testifying under my own hat 4 today, as it were. And I am here to testify against 5 the approval of this merger. I co-convene the 6 Greater Rochester Community Reinvestment Coalition 7 in Rochester, New York. 8 We are requesting that the Federal Reserve 9 condition this merger on Bank of America making 10 Upstate New York specific commitments on how it will 11 address community credit needs in Upstate New York. 12 It is Bank of America's position that they 13 will work out the specifics of their $750 billion 14 pledge post-merger. That, in my opinion, is not 15 good enough. The last Fleet merger with BankBoston, 16 in which I testified here as well, Fleet announced a 17 five-year commitment that broke out the pledge by 18 small business loans, affordable mortgage lending, 19 consumer lending, et cetera. 20 In 1999, right in this room, the details of 21 that pledge were shared with this community. 22 Ironically, we felt that was not detailed enough at 23 the time. However, we hope we can prevail upon 24 Fleet to advise Bank of America what made sense in . 0291 1 1999, with two Mass. banks merging, makes even more 2 sense with the creation of a 29-state bank. 3 Fleet also provided breakouts in its 4 progress reports so that a community group can 5 ascertain by state and type of commitment, i.e., 6 affordable housing, community development, et 7 cetera, where Fleet is in making progress on that 8 five-year commitment. 9 We have gone to the Website of Bank of 10 America and tried to reconstruct where this $165 11 billion has been spent, and we haven't been able to 12 do that. I was told this morning by one of Bank of 13 America's officials that such detail does in fact 14 exist, and I would urge the Fed, as this merger goes 15 ahead, that everyone should know publicly where this 16 trillion dollar bank is spending this money by 17 assessment area and by type of loan. 18 We are pleased that Bank of America has 19 come to Rochester, New York, and has met with me and 20 with coalition members, and they have agreed to a 21 business plan post-merger. However, unfortunately, 22 it still hurts me to say that it's not enough to 23 say, "Trust us. This is a good merger for 24 Rochester," particularly in light of the concerns . 0292 1 that the colleagues in North Carolina and California 2 have raised post the NationsBank merger. 3 I'm particularly disturbed about the true 4 value of this commitment when I read a quote in the 5 Boston Globe that says, and this was a quote that 6 was referred to in this morning's testimony, "I feel 7 pretty certain that they're not putting $750 billion 8 into high-risk lending, which is what minority 9 lending tends to be. The term 'community economic 10 development' in my view can mean just about 11 anything." 12 This quote is not a community activist who 13 is disaffected; this is in fact Richard Bove, who is 14 a managing director at Hoefer & Arnett, and this is 15 referred to in the Boston Globe story. 16 The reality is today -- and I represent a 17 lot of minority lending clients; I think I have over 18 100 clients, and I stopped counting after the first 19 100, most of whom are members of the protected 20 classes, and most of whom are senior African- 21 American women -- racism still results in disparate 22 impact in access to credit in minority communities 23 in this country, and in particular to African- 24 Americans, and we must not forget that. . 0293 1 This lack of lending hurts, and hurts 2 deeply, as we have heard from other groups, and I 3 think that needs to be addressed. 4 I would like to end on a positive note. 5 While we have been working on increasing access to 6 lending for over ten years, we found that there were 7 minority census tracts in Rochester that, despite 8 all our goals that were met for the city and for 9 blacks and Hispanics and low-income households, 10 there were still census tracts with no prime loans, 11 all they had were sub-prime loans. 12 In a previous merger with another Rochester 13 bank, we specified 34 census tracts, and we said, 14 "We know you have met all your other goals in the 15 past, but in this agreement we want loans in these 16 34 census tracts." It was a three-year term. They 17 met their goal in one year. 18 We met with them recently and said, "That's 19 amazing. This is fantastic. How did you do it?" 20 They said, "Well, we used our branch network, and we 21 did a radius around the branches, and we made the 22 loans, and it made good business sense." 23 So in light of this, I urge the Fed to 24 condition this merger on specifics, and perhaps it . 0294 1 is naive of me to believe that, in light of the 2 testimony presented today, the Fed will do the right 3 thing. Thank you. 4 MR. MARSICO: My name is Richard Marsico, 5 and I now I am presenting my own testimony. 6 I am a professor at New York Law School and 7 director of the school's Justice Action Center. I'm 8 also a member of the National Community Reinvestment 9 Coalition. 10 Thank you for this opportunity to testify 11 here today on the proposed merger of Bank of America 12 and Fleet, the largest bank merger up to this point 13 in United States history. If approved, the merger 14 would create one of the largest banks in the United 15 States, with branches and customers throughout the 16 country. 17 One cannot underestimate the significance 18 of the Federal Reserve's decision on this 19 application. Your decision will have an impact on 20 tens of thousands of low-and-moderate-income and 21 minority persons in communities across the country 22 who seek banking services and loans for homes, small 23 businesses and small farms. They face a reduction 24 of banking services and loans if this merger is . 0295 1 approved without conditions and, as frequently 2 happens when bank services are reduced, an increase 3 in predatory lending. 4 Your decision will have an impact on 5 sub-prime lending practices and supporting 6 activities, not only for the banks before you, but 7 for all banks involved in the sub-prime market. 8 Finally, your decision will tell banks in 9 the community whether banks can get away with vague 10 and unilateral commitments to lend, or whether the 11 Federal Reserve will seek meaningful, detailed 12 promises, negotiated with and based on input from 13 community organizations. 14 For these reasons I'm testifying in 15 opposition to the merger unless the Federal Reserve 16 conditions it on submission of a plan by the Bank of 17 America that includes at least the following three 18 components: 19 First, a plan to increase lending in its or 20 Fleet's areas where their lending lags behind 21 industry averages. 22 Second, a promise to at least maintain 23 lending and service levels in areas where Fleet's 24 and Bank of America's lending equals or is better . 0296 1 than industry averages. 2 And finally, a promise by the Bank of 3 America to follow the best practices of Fannie Mae 4 and Freddie Mac regarding sub-prime lending, which 5 would be an agreement not to purchase sub-prime 6 loans with single premium credit insurance, loans 7 with points and fees exceeding 5 percent of the 8 loan, loans that have mandatory arbitration clauses, 9 and loans that have prepayment penalties after three 10 years. 11 There is not sufficient time to review in 12 detail all the relevant data, but research that has 13 been done by the National Community Reinvestment 14 Coalition and its member organizations, much of 15 which has already been submitted to the Federal 16 Reserve in individual comment letters including my 17 own, show the following salient facts about Fleet 18 and Bank of America's lending: 19 First, in many cities and rural areas 20 around the country, Bank of America or Fleet's home 21 mortgage and small business lending to low-and- 22 moderate-income and minority persons and communities 23 lags behind the industry's averages. These areas 24 include New York City, Los Angeles, San Diego, . 0297 1 Chicago and Baltimore. 2 In 2002 in New York City, for example, Bank 3 of America was 48 percent below industry averages in 4 home mortgage lending to African-Americans and 5 Latinos, 35 percent below in loans to low-and- 6 moderate-income persons, 28 percent below in lending 7 to low-and-moderate-income census tracts, and 38 8 percent below in lending to predominantly minority 9 census tracts. 10 Second, following Bank of America's merger 11 with NationsBank in 1998, the lending of the 12 combined bank decreased in many states, including 13 California, Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, 14 Nevada, and North Carolina, at rates faster than 15 other banks, or the lending increased more slowly 16 than other banks. Its percentages of branches in 17 low-and-moderate-income neighborhoods declined, 18 compared to an increase for all lenders. 19 Bank of America's commitment to make 20 $750 billion in community economic development loans 21 is not sufficient to address these concerns with its 22 record. The commitment does not contain details 23 such as where it will make the loans and what they 24 will be for. . 0298 1 A Wall Street analyst quoted in the Wall 2 Street Journal agrees. He said, "The term 3 'community economic development' in my view can mean 4 just about anything. This is such a big, broad, 5 meaningless statement that we don't have to worry 6 about it," while residents of low-and-moderate- 7 income and predominantly minority neighborhoods do 8 have to worry about it. 9 I therefore ask the Federal Reserve not to 10 grant this application unless the Bank of America 11 makes a meaningful and detailed commitment to meet 12 the credit needs of the communities it serves. 13 Thank you. 14 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 15 much for your comments this afternoon. 16 We are back to three minutes, please. 17 We'll start with Ms. Richter. 18 MS. RICHTER: Thank you. Madam Chairman, I 19 ask your indulgence and that of the panelists 20 because I need to make an airplane, so I'll try to 21 do the three minutes. 22 My name is Lisa Richter, and I thank you 23 for the opportunity to testify on behalf of National 24 Community Investment Fund in favor of the Bank of . 0299 1 America/Fleet merger. 2 I will describe Bank of America's support 3 for NCIF and the support for improved delivery of 4 banking services in low-to-moderate-income 5 communities that it represents. 6 In so doing, I would like to suggest that 7 Bank of America approaches its community development 8 investing, lending and partnerships with an approach 9 that exceeds the letter of the law, seeks innovative 10 and substantive solutions for underserved 11 communities, includes significant risk taking, and 12 works closely with community partners and other 13 financial institutions to manage that risk. 14 Since I'm submitting comments, very 15 briefly, NCIF is a certified CDFI, it's a nonprofit 16 trust, and we invest in insured depositories, that 17 is, banks and credit unions, operating in distressed 18 communities with a primary mission of community 19 development. 20 We were launched in 1995 through then 21 NationsBank, which funded our organizational costs 22 and supplied additional capital in the form of an 23 extremely flexible $15 million loan for ten years at 24 1 percent. . 0300 1 The vision at that time and still today was 2 that NCIF would increase the number and capacity of 3 domestic depository institutions that are both 4 effective agents of local community development in 5 distressed markets and sound financial institutions. 6 With Bank of America's backing, combined 7 with its commitment to creative and innovative 8 product development and its guidance, delivered by 9 numerous senior executives over the years who have 10 interacted with NCIF as trustees or loan officers, 11 we have been able to build a fully national 12 investment fund with $23 million in assets and 13 investments in 28 development banking institutions 14 that provide credit and financial services in 15 distressed urban, rural and reservation communities. 16 I might note that while this by no means 17 begins to meet the need, one example would be 18 Hawaiian Community Assets, which is an entity 19 designed to promote and enhance home ownership by 20 Native Hawaiians. NCIF has an investment, and I 21 believe Bank of America also has a direct investment 22 with that entity. 23 Their extremely flexible financing set a 24 precedent for us to raise additional capital from . 0301 1 institutions like MBNA and Washington Mutual. And 2 when those later investors came in, although BOA's 3 investment was much larger, they conceded any 4 priority in terms of how the funding would be 5 directed, and they set a standard for sort of a 6 strategic use of proceeds where investments were 7 made nationwide where they were most acutely needed, 8 such as on the Hawaiian homeland, and where they 9 could be most effectively deployed. 10 The vast majority of NCIF's investment are 11 in banks or credit unions that serve minority, low- 12 income urban or rural communities, with the balance 13 in rural underserved communities that may not have 14 high minority populations. 70 percent of the 15 institutions in our current portfolio are in urban 16 and 40 percent in rural and reservation markets. 17 Some are in both. 82 percent are minority focused, 18 and 67 percent of the dollars are in minority-owned 19 institutions. 20 Since we began tracking the activities of 21 these portfolio institutions in 1999, they have 22 generated almost $1 billion in development loans, 23 over 11,000 loans tracked, geocoded to distressed 24 communities and low-income borrowers. . 0302 1 Since I'm getting the signal to end, I 2 would like to say that the structure of this 3 financing allowed us to not only make these 4 investments, make them on terms that were of the 5 highest value to the institutions, namely tier one 6 capital and development banks in many cases, but 7 also supply working capital for us to provide 8 technical assistance to the management of these 9 organizations, so that they could raise capital from 10 other sources to enhance their development impact 11 through product development. 12 This was acknowledged or recognized by the 13 Honorable Donald E. Powell at the FDIC when he 14 created a partnership with us in 2003 to see how we 15 could leverage the workplace to get to low-income 16 workers and get them into the mainstream, and 17 finally to help the institutions become more 18 efficient. 19 With that I thank you very much, and I look 20 forward to the increase in impact that can be 21 achieved when you bring together the resources and 22 commitment of the institutions that we're talking 23 about today. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very . 0303 1 much. 2 Mr. Egan. 3 MR. EGAN: Good afternoon, Madam Chairman. 4 I am Conrad Egan. I'm the President and Chief 5 Executive Officer of the National Housing 6 Conference. And since I have already submitted a 7 formal statement for the record, I would 8 respectfully request that that be placed in the 9 record and that I just deliver some briefer remarks 10 today. 11 First of all, let me describe the National 12 Housing Conference. It is the nation's oldest and 13 most broad-based housing advocacy organization, 14 having been in this business, so to speak, for 70 15 years. And I want to indicate very clearly up front 16 that we are fully in support of the application for 17 acquisition before you these days. 18 I also want to make it very clear, and I 19 support the comments by one of the earlier 20 presenters, Ms. Wilkerson, that sunshine is good. 21 Both Bank of America and Fleet are significant 22 contributors to the National Housing Conference. We 23 are very proud of those contributions, and I assume 24 the institutions are proud to make them. . 0304 1 With their assistance and the assistance of 2 many of our other members, significant members, 3 including some of whom have appeared before you 4 today, we have conducted some really groundbreaking 5 research, particularly about the challenges that 6 working families face in the area of housing 7 opportunities. 8 In fact, in one of our recent reports, 9 which just received extensive national publicity, we 10 point out that over the four-year period, just the 11 four-year period from 1997 to 2001, the number of 12 working families in this nation paying more than 13 half of their income for housing increased by 60 14 percent, just during that four-year period. And my 15 assumption is -- that was between '97 and 2001. My 16 assumption is that that has increased even more 17 significantly now. 18 Also, through support from Bank of America, 19 Fleet, and our other members, amongst our other 20 activities have been our regional senior executive 21 round tables which we have held in communities in 22 this region, such as Providence, Rhode Island; 23 Portland, Maine, just up the street; and also in 24 Charlotte, North Carolina. . 0305 1 In fact, Mayor McCrory, who was in front of 2 you earlier today, was part of one of those round 3 tables where we bring together business leaders, 4 other private sector leaders, academic leaders, 5 public officials, and housing and community leaders, 6 to talk about strategies for better community 7 development and increasing housing affordability in 8 those areas. 9 I would like to bring two matters to your 10 attention which I think lend credence to the 11 approval of this application. First of all, Bank of 12 America particularly has taken the lead on 13 supporting very creative financing. 14 Again, Mayor McCrory referred to this 15 earlier, but I don't think he was strong enough in 16 saying how much Bank of America has done on a 17 nationwide basis to support the revitalization and 18 the recapitalization of the public housing portfolio 19 across this nation. In fact, I would like to say 20 that one of their senior officers participated along 21 with the other staff of the housing commission in 22 supporting that particular proposal. 23 Also, as Congressman Frank indicated 24 earlier today, the Bank of America has been very . 0306 1 active in supporting and using the affordable 2 housing program of the Federal Home Loan Bank 3 system, so we are very pleased to see that the bank 4 has committed itself to keeping its charter in the 5 Northeast so that it can continue to participate in 6 that system. 7 Let me close by thanking you for being here 8 today. I have been here all day, not just in 9 appearing before you and offering these humble 10 comments, but also being able to learn the kinds of 11 things I have learned today. Let me assure you I 12 will go back to Washington with a greater resolve to 13 deal with many of the problems and challenges that 14 have been identified today. 15 Thank you. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 17 much. 18 MR. FLORES: Good afternoon, buenas tardes. 19 My name is Ramon Flores, and I along with my wife 20 own La Plaza Del Mercado, a supermarket located 21 inside a popular multistore building located in Park 22 Street, Hartford, Connecticut. I am here today to 23 voice a favorable opinion on the merger of Fleet 24 Bank and Bank of America. . 0307 1 I am testimony of the American dream, a 2 dream that started about ten years ago, in which I 3 wanted to establish my own business in Hartford, 4 Connecticut. Today I am here to give a resounding 5 thank-you to Fleet for allowing me to live my dream. 6 It is with this affection that I have to stand up 7 and state publicly that if there were more banks 8 such as Fleet, many of our inner-city economic 9 problems could be resolved. 10 It was through one of Fleet's very 11 successful partnership community loan funds that I 12 was able to obtain my first loan to purchase 13 equipment and expand my business. Without the 14 Fleet/HEDCO/SAMA Loan Fund, I would not be here. 15 This fund, which provides loans at very 16 favorable interest rates for businesses that 17 otherwise do not qualify for traditional bank 18 lending, provided me and my wife the capital to 19 continue to run my business during a period of time 20 when many businesses were failing. The 21 Fleet/HEDCO/SAMA Loan Fund allowed me to establish 22 and improve my business so that six months ago I 23 applied to another loan, and I was approved by a 24 conventional line of credit from, guess, Fleet Bank. . 0308 1 Speaking to my Hispanic business friends, 2 they all agree with me that it is Fleet that is 3 visible and active in the area of not only lending 4 money, but also educating them through a program 5 especially geared for the Hispanic business owner, a 6 program such as SAMA's Passaporte Community Training 7 Program, which my wife and I took two years ago, and 8 sponsored again by Fleet Bank. 9 I only expect better things to happen in my 10 street from the merger of Fleet Bank and Bank of 11 America. Park Street needs more economic 12 development, and it will not likely come from 13 another area bank. This merger could only advance 14 the plans we merchants have, envisioning a strong 15 and lasting Park Street, one in which the corner of 16 Park Street and Main Street will finally be 17 developed. 18 Fleet Bank's financial hand is over Park 19 Street not in the thousands of dollars, but in the 20 millions of dollars. I encourage the people here 21 today who have to decide on the merger to make a 22 walk through Park Street, and you will see what I am 23 talking about. Block upon block, Fleet Bank has 24 committed its financial resource. . 0309 1 Fleet Bank sees the value and strength of 2 our Hispanic community. Now they know that it makes 3 good business sense to lend in our community. 4 Therefore, I do not expect that commitment to 5 diminish with the merger, but to grow as strongly 6 with benefits to the Hispanic community, not just in 7 Hartford, but through all the cities that will be 8 served by the new bank. 9 Thank you very much. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 11 much for your comments. 12 MR. GAGLIARDI: Good afternoon. My name is 13 Peter Gagliardi, and I currently serve as the 14 Executive Director of HAP, Inc., a regional housing 15 partnership that serves the 43 cities and towns of 16 Hampden and Hampshire Counties in Massachusetts with 17 a wide variety of affordable housing programs. 18 I speak today in support of the proposed 19 merger, subject to a number of expectations that are 20 based upon a long and very fruitful relationship 21 with Fleet Bank. 22 Our relationship with Fleet spans virtually 23 the entire period since they entered the Western 24 Massachusetts market. Fleet, for example, was . 0310 1 instrumental in the creation of our first-time home 2 buyer program, through which over 3,000 people have 3 graduated and more than 1500 have been able to 4 purchase their first home. 5 Nearly 500 of HAP's first-time home buyers 6 have accessed the Soft Second Loan Program through 7 Fleet, and I was delighted today to hear that Bank 8 of America has committed to 3,000 soft second loans 9 over the next ten years. 10 There are many other relationship items 11 that I have cited in my written testimony, but in 12 the interests of time, I'll ask you to please look 13 at those, but move on. 14 Fleet's personal interest in the success 15 and growth of our business, our business as a 16 nonprofit affordable housing corporation, has been a 17 critical asset. Fleet's Western Massachusetts staff 18 person in their community development area has been 19 a major part of that resource, helping us to grow by 20 establishing a strong banking relationship and by 21 providing guidance and support to us as an 22 organization. 23 The presence of an effective partner 24 knowledgeable in the area of community development . 0311 1 has allowed the relationship to grow and our 2 business to flourish, to the benefit of low-and- 3 moderate-income people in our region. 4 Our expectation going forward is that Bank 5 of America will continue to provide the resources 6 and services that have been instrumental to our 7 efforts in Western Massachusetts. 8 That brings me to, I think, my most 9 important point. As we like to point out to our 10 politicians here in Massachusetts, there is a 11 Massachusetts beyond Route 495. There is another 12 Massachusetts that's not the same economy, the same 13 market as the one in this area where we're sitting 14 today. 15 It's a very separate and distinct market, 16 one that's not seeing the economic boom that the 17 eastern part of the state experienced in the 1990. 18 Our area is characterized by an economy that has 19 grown only slowly after a prolonged recession. Our 20 urban areas continue to suffer the ravages of 21 abandoned housing, vacant lots, boarded-up buildings 22 and other conditions of urban blight. 23 In January 2000, we took a survey just of 24 the two principal cities, Springfield and Holyoke, . 0312 1 and there were nearly 2,000 vacant and abandoned 2 dwelling units in those two cities alone in January 3 2000. 4 We have issues that remain, and I've given 5 you, for your benefit, some photographs with my 6 testimony of some of the neighborhoods, both in 2000 7 when we did the study and today, in one little 8 neighborhood of 5,000 people that has 130 vacant 9 abandoned parcels, some with houses still on them, 10 some not. 11 We need the new Bank of America's support 12 to continue the revitalization of neighborhoods like 13 this and to bring decent jobs, good-paying jobs, and 14 opportunities to the low-and-moderate-income people 15 of Western Massachusetts. 16 Thank you. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 18 much. 19 Mr. Sierra. 20 MR. SIERRA: Good afternoon. My name is 21 Angel Sierra, and I am a business owner in Hartford, 22 Connecticut. 23 First I would like to thank the Federal 24 Reserve for allowing me the time to come before this . 0313 1 body to speak about my support for the merger of 2 Fleet Bank and Bank of America. 3 I am the owner of Hispana Vision, a small 4 eye-care business located in the heart of Hartford's 5 Hispanic community, and also the president of the 6 Spanish-American Merchant Association, better known 7 as SAMA. 8 In 1993, I risked leaving the private 9 sector to establish my own business, Hispana Vision, 10 and it was during this period of time that I 11 understood what it really is to have the backing of 12 a Fleet Bank in the community. Fleet Bank, since my 13 inception, has been there to support my growth. 14 They have been -- they have supported my business 15 with three loans, each allowing me to grow my 16 business. 17 One of these loans was for me to purchase a 18 vacant property in an area of Hartford that needed 19 development. This loan, which was used to renovate, 20 build out and relocate my business, could not have 21 been possible without Fleet. 22 In addition, it was through another loan 23 fund sponsored by Fleet and managed by HEDCO and 24 SAMA, known as the Fleet/HEDCO/SAMA Loan Fund, that . 0314 1 my building got completed. This loan fund served as 2 a subordinated equity to allow the rest of the 3 lenders to finance this risky project. 4 Not only in this instance was Fleet there 5 for me, but only just last year I was given the 6 opportunity to purchase an adjoining empty lot in 7 the rear of my building. And Fleet gave me not only 8 the money to purchase the lot, but also restructured 9 my loan to help me lower my monthly payments, very 10 important. 11 I am also a proud graduate of a computer 12 training program through SAMA geared to Hispanic 13 merchants that was funded by Fleet Bank, which 14 provided valuable training to merchants such as 15 myself who understood very little about computers 16 used in today's business. Without the training, I 17 would not have been able to expand my business, 18 without understanding the technology available 19 today. 20 Today my new business employs seven people 21 and is associated with five optometrists and several 22 ophthalmologists. Hispana Vision is the first 23 Hispanic-owned full-service optical business in the 24 Greater Hartford area. . 0315 1 I plan in the near future to expand my 2 business into other towns, and I know that Fleet 3 Bank will be there to assist me. I continue to look 4 forward for new challenges as my business grows and 5 believe that the merged banks will be there for the 6 growth. 7 Bank of America has a very strong 8 commitment to the Hispanic minority community. 9 There is still much to be done in our Hispanic 10 community, especially in the area of Park Street, 11 and we need strong institutions that have performed 12 well in the past and will be there for us in the 13 future. 14 Thank you. 15 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 16 Mr. Rothman. 17 MR. ROTHMAN: Good afternoon. I'm George 18 Rothman, President and CEO of MANNA. We're a 19 21-year-old faith-based and community-based 20 nonprofit affordable housing developer and producer 21 in Washington, D.C. 22 I am not here because Bank of America 23 provides my organization with large grants, because 24 it doesn't. We do get some small ones. I'm here . 0316 1 because I support this merger. In my opinion, Bank 2 of America represents community lending and 3 participation at a very high level. They are 4 certainly the best at it in D.C. 5 Not long ago I opposed a proposed merger 6 between a large North Carolina bank and a 7 mid-Atlantic one. I did this because the acquiring 8 bank had a very lackluster record of community 9 lending; in the current slang, they talked the talk 10 but didn't walk the walk. I opposed it even though 11 my organization regularly received grants and/or 12 sponsorships from the acquiring bank. 13 What I like and respect about Bank of 14 America is that community involvement and social 15 responsibility are not simply a means of meeting CRA 16 requirements, but are generally perceived as 17 admirable goals and good business. 18 Even though we are small by developer 19 standards, my organization is fortunate enough to 20 have established a strong track record in Washington 21 over the years, such that we're in a position that 22 we can select the banks with which we want to work. 23 Getting loans for our projects are the least of our 24 problems. Many banks want our business. . 0317 1 But we have chosen to work with only three 2 of them on a regular basis, and B of A is one of 3 them. This is because of a multiplicity of factors, 4 which include a thorough understanding of our 5 business, flexibility in lending, and most of all a 6 caring and concern about our mission. 7 However, I do not for one minute think the 8 concern is philanthropic, nor does the bank act that 9 way. What makes them so good? In addition to the 10 aforementioned reasons, let me give a specific 11 example. 12 Not a lot of lenders really care about 13 getting community input and then respecting and 14 implementing it on projects in which they have huge 15 equity investments, which B of A has done in 16 Washington with residents of the Hillsdale 17 Neighborhood. 18 In one of those projects, B of A sought 19 community input through a charrette process, and 20 followed through on major recommendations made by 21 neighborhood residents, even though several of the 22 recommendations reduced the profit potential for the 23 project. 24 In that project we are a partner, and it's . 0318 1 a project to develop and renovate a portion of an 2 old garden apartment complex into condominiums. If 3 other banks were in a similar situation, they would 4 probably go out and hire a well-known architect and 5 general contractor to design and build the project. 6 Not Bank of America, and I'm talking about 7 a $12 million project. They asked us to do the 8 architectural design and act as the construction 9 manager, general contractor, and real estate agent. 10 I don't know of any other bank which would do that, 11 because none has. 12 Recently we formed our own mortgage 13 company, the first and only nonprofit mortgage 14 company in D.C. To serve a very-low-and-low-income 15 minority clientele better, we decided to establish 16 wholesale business relationship with three lenders. 17 We selected B of O as one of them because of the 18 variety of affordable mortgage products they 19 offered, their understanding of our needs, and their 20 willingness to work with us. For them we were less 21 than a drop in the bucket. 22 To make this arrangement work 23 administratively, B of A had to jump through many 24 more hoops than MANNA did, and MANNA had no track . 0319 1 record of mortgage lending. Now, that's unusual. 2 In D.C., all of the former large hometown 3 banks, except one, have been purchased by out-of- 4 town banks. The one exception is the one I'm least 5 likely to do business with. 6 Based on our long-time experience dealing 7 with Bank of America and its predecessor 8 NationsBank, and because of its outstanding 9 performance in doing business in underserved and 10 distressed communities in Washington, D.C., with my 11 organization and other nonprofits, I don't think 12 there is any better large bank for a community to 13 welcome than Bank of America. 14 Thank you. 15 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 16 MS. MICELI-VASQUEZ: Thank you for the 17 honor to speak today in support of the Bank of 18 America/FleetBoston merger. 19 My name is Elaine Miceli-Vasquez from Fort 20 Lauderdale, Florida. I co-own the pioneer Spanish 21 newspaper El Heraldo de Broward and a multicultural 22 firm called Latin Power, Incorporated. And next 23 time I visit Boston, I promise to bring some Florida 24 sunshine. . 0320 1 I am active on more than 15 nonprofit 2 boards in the community. Presently I serve at the 3 Governor's pleasure on a post-secondary education 4 planning commission that among other duties creates 5 the master plan of education from K through 20 in 6 the State of Florida. 7 When I heard about this opportunity, I 8 simply had to speak openly and honestly about Bank 9 of America, as I feel I represent a good profile of 10 the Bank of America customer in Fort Lauderdale. 11 My sister recently retired from Fleet Bank 12 after a merger with Northeast Savings in Schenectady 13 and has moved down to Florida, and with her 401(k) 14 growing, she told me to say, "I have to come to 15 support this merger." 16 Ironically, my sister is now working at my 17 newspaper three days a week coordinating all of the 18 Bank of America sponsored events. Talk about a 19 change there. 20 Selecting a bank is very personal. It's 21 like going to a doctor. You have to be honest, you 22 can't tell any lies, your history is on paper, and 23 you're always waiting for an answer that you hope is 24 good. . 0321 1 Small business owners like me assume we 2 aren't important enough for a big bank. But small 3 business is what makes Bank of America the bank it 4 is today in Fort Lauderdale. 5 In the early 1970s, as a single mother at 6 age 26, I had three daughters, ages four and twins 7 three months old, so you could count the numbers on 8 my age. It was nearly impossible to find any bank 9 that would even talk to me as a single parent. 10 In 1989 I was offered the opportunity to 11 co-own a newspaper and took the leap, although I had 12 two teenagers in high school and one in college. I 13 didn't know how I would begin selling advertising in 14 my free Spanish newspaper. 15 As the census had just come out in 1990, I 16 knew what was ahead of me with the Latin market, but 17 major companies wouldn't even talk to me. It was 18 just not on their marketing radar screen, until I 19 met Linda Stepenovitch of Barnett Bank in 1991. We 20 were at a luncheon, and both of us participated on a 21 newly formed CRA board in the county, and I was 22 hoping to encourage Barnett to join me in the 23 emerging market and collaborate with the culture. 24 That meeting began a journey of my banking . 0322 1 experience and relationship with Barnett and through 2 the mergers with NationsBank and now Bank of 3 America. What began as a mere $1,000 partnership of 4 advertising in 1991 has grown to more than a 5 $75,000-plus relationship with my newspaper for the 6 year 2004. 7 I am proud to say that Bank of America owns 8 the market share of the Hispanic consumer in Fort 9 Lauderdale because of their early vision and their 10 cultural competency. 11 I must admit when the mergers took place, 12 like the one being discussed today with Fleet Bank 13 Boston, I thought that my small-town banking 14 relationship would end. I assumed that I would 15 become a number. I was concerned that all the 16 banking staff that I was accustomed to working with 17 would be replaced by the new bank staff, I would 18 start over again and find another Linda 19 Stepenovitch. 20 I was wrong. Everyone is still there 21 working with us. The market president, Jim Cassidy, 22 is a phone call away. I even have his cell phone 23 number. I can't tell you how many times the 24 president invited me to participate for input in the . 0323 1 community. 2 What started as an early relationship of a 3 one-day event in 1989 called Viva Broward has now 4 turned into a month-long celebration of Hispanic 5 Heritage Month with 50 sponsors in 29 cities and on 6 a national level. 7 In closing, I would like to say that 8 customer service is the key to Bank of America's 9 success. When you walk into a branch, you can 10 almost feel the security that the employees have. 11 The smiles are genuine, and if someone is happy at 12 their job, then it will be passed on to you. 13 I fully support the merger and hope that 14 your customers are as pleased as I have been with 15 Bank of America. 16 Thank you. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 18 DR. VASQUEZ: My name is Erwin Vasquez. I 19 am Elaine's husband. I am a cardiologist in Fort 20 Lauderdale, and I am pleased to be here, 21 unfortunately with this cold reception that I have 22 received. 23 As a sole practitioner, I rely on the bank 24 to understand both my personal and business needs. . 0324 1 I have taken the time from my practice to travel to 2 Boston today to give testimony and support the Bank 3 of America and FleetBoston merger. 4 Any immigrant comes to a new community with 5 language and cultural barriers that present 6 challenges to communicate. These communication 7 challenges are increased when we confront them in 8 the financial world of banking. Understanding of 9 language of loans, meeting IRS requirements and all 10 of the matters pertaining to setting up a business, 11 you can be overwhelmed by that proposition. 12 To many of us coming to the shores of 13 America, this is the first time we encounter such a 14 situation and find ourselves discussing our personal 15 financial matters with a total stranger. It simply 16 doesn't occur in our culture. 17 When I selected a bank in the early 1980s, 18 I went to a local branch that was close to the 19 house. I found Ana in Barnett Bank. Ana speaks 20 Spanish. However, if it came to speaking English 21 too, I tried to speak in English. 22 Today Ana is still my account 23 representative, through mergers with NationsBank and 24 more recently with Bank of America. The continuity . 0325 1 in the banking staff in a neighborhood branch a 2 block from my office has given me a sense of comfort 3 and convenience. 4 My opportunities became greater, obtaining 5 short-time loans for equipment, lines of credit and 6 investment opportunities. 7 My charitable work soon became an important 8 part of my personal growth. I founded a free 9 healthcare clinic for the immigrant pool called The 10 Light of the World Clinic in 1989. That relies on 11 volunteers, doctors, nurses and clerical workers. 12 Many of the patients are served for free and do not 13 speak English. Most came from all over the world. 14 When NationsBank came, they offered me 15 furniture and all of the equipment. Computers were 16 given to us. So that facilitated us to have some 17 data that we could use later on in our granting 18 needs. 19 Then it became Bank of America, which is 20 more than an institution. The bank has a social 21 conscience. For example, a bank volunteer chaired 22 our annual gala, to get more funds for our clinic. 23 The Bank of America Diversity Team came one day with 24 Boy Scout Troops to paint the pediatric room. Bank . 0326 1 of America associates hosted a number of meetings to 2 learn more about the disparity of healthcare that is 3 very prevalent in this country, various children's 4 issues, mentoring programs, education access for 5 minorities. 6 I understand charity, and I advocate 7 volunteerism whenever it is possible. They put 8 their money and support behind United Way, the arts 9 and education issues. They touch the lives of many. 10 Recently I created the Vasquez Family 11 Public Fund, it's more than a million dollar fund, 12 and I asked Bank of America to help me out to put 13 that money in assets. 14 Relationships and loyalty are factors that 15 surrounded my culture. Bank of America knows and 16 understands me and values my input and recognizes my 17 needs. 18 I fully support the merger of Bank of 19 America and Fleet Bank Boston. 20 Thank you, all of you, for the opportunity 21 to share my experience with you. 22 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 23 Lisa Alberghini. 24 MS. ALBERGHINI: Madam Chair, members of . 0327 1 the Committee, thank you for the opportunity to 2 comment on this most important matter. I am Lisa 3 Alberghini, Executive Director of the Planning 4 Office for Urban Affairs of the Archdiocese of 5 Boston, and I'm testifying today in support of the 6 FleetBoston/Bank of America merger. 7 The Planning Office's mission is to develop 8 affordable and mixed-income housing for low-and- 9 moderate-income people, and we began our work 35 10 years ago. I urge you to support this merger 11 because of Fleet Bank's commitment to community that 12 they have displayed in working in partnership with 13 us, and also because of Bank of America's commitment 14 to invest $100 billion in New England. 15 In our experience, Fleet's leadership in 16 affordable housing development has taken two forms. 17 One is an unusual partnership, and the second is the 18 bank's lending and investment practices on specific 19 affordable housing development projects. 20 First, the partnership. Fleet's leadership 21 and vision was responsible for initiating an unusual 22 partnership with the Planning Office of the 23 Archdiocese, which enabled us to dramatically 24 increase our housing production efforts by providing . 0328 1 critical working capital to our office. 2 This is not a typical partnership, and it 3 represents a most important principle, that of 4 prominent business leaders not just talking about 5 what needs to be done to provide affordable homes, 6 but taking action to ensure those homes get built, 7 and there is a very big difference. 8 In April 2001, the Archdiocese joined 9 forces with the Greater Boston Chamber of Commerce 10 to learn about the obstacles to affordable housing 11 development. That work was made possible by a 12 generous contribution of $50,000 from Fleet Bank, 13 and it resulted in the publication of an important 14 study. 15 That report called for the need to build 16 36,000 additional units of housing, including 15,000 17 affordable units. A major theme of the study was 18 collective responsibility or the shared need for all 19 of those in a civil society to do their part in 20 responding to the housing crisis. In our view, and 21 in our very real experience, Fleet Bank has done 22 just that. 23 For its part, the Archdiocese committed to 24 make available some of its underutilized property to . 0329 1 develop more affordable housing, and the Planning 2 Office was faced with the tremendous opportunity to 3 dramatically increase our production efforts, but we 4 needed help. We needed help to develop our capacity 5 and our working capital. To that end and in direct 6 response to the Archdiocesan commitment, FleetBoston 7 Financial partnered with our office and came to the 8 call of collective responsibility. 9 With $2 million from Fleet Bank, the 10 partnership between Fleet and the Archdiocese firmly 11 positioned our office to initiate a five-year plan 12 to increase our production efforts and produce 2,000 13 additional units of affordable housing. 14 The result is six developments under way 15 today, totaling 654 units, and many more in the 16 planning stages, in Boston, Brighton, Hyde Park, 17 Lynn, Brookline, Lowell, and a number of other 18 communities. 19 Thus we have 654 units under way now, a 20 significant jump in our production, and we are well 21 on the way of meeting our 2,000-unit goal. That is 22 an incredible concrete or bricks and mortar result, 23 and it is primarily because of Fleet's vision and 24 commitment. . 0330 1 The lending practices of Fleet have also 2 been extraordinary. They have provided us with a 3 $52 million construction loan on one development and 4 nearly $40 million of commitments on other 5 developments that we have under way. 6 We encourage this, encourage you to support 7 this. I do not necessarily think that big is bad in 8 the banking world. I think it is more and more 9 often a reality, and with it, though, can come 10 immense opportunity for investment and resources. 11 The key to seizing that opportunity is for 12 Bank of America to keep in place the community 13 relationships that Fleet has established, has well 14 established in this region. 15 I believe we should support the merger. We 16 should applaud the $100 billion investment Bank of 17 America has promised. And we should expect and 18 encourage a strong commitment to community to 19 continue under Bank of America, which most 20 importantly should be evidenced by remaining a fully 21 engaged partner directly involved in our work. 22 Thank you for the opportunity to give you 23 our point of view, and I wanted to let you know that 24 I left copies of my written testimony, which is a . 0331 1 bit longer, out front. And attached to it is a copy 2 of an article from this month's Affordable Housing 3 Finance magazine, which describes the partnership 4 between Fleet Bank and the Archdiocese. 5 Thank you very much. 6 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 7 We are still in the three-minute time 8 frame, so if you could stick to it, we can start. 9 MR. GUNTER: Thank you, Madam Chair, 10 members of the Committee, for this opportunity to 11 speak in favor of the merger. 12 My name is Bruce Gunter, and I am the 13 founder, President and CEO of Progressive 14 Redevelopment, Incorporated, PRI, a nonprofit 15 developer of affordable housing based in Atlanta, 16 Georgia. 17 Now 15 years old, PRI has developed a wide 18 range of housing for low-income families and 19 individuals, including transitional housing for the 20 homeless, first-time home buyer townhouses, low- 21 income housing tax credit apartments, and supportive 22 housing mid-rises. We are the largest of our kind 23 in the state, with over 40 employees and almost 24 $120 million of developments. . 0332 1 I began my career in finance working for a 2 major bank in Atlanta and then started and ran an 3 investment counseling firm and then a nonprofit 4 development company. Beginning with volunteer work 5 with Habitat for Humanity in the early 1980's, I 6 have been involved in affordable housing and 7 community development activities for over 20 years. 8 Today I serve on various boards of 9 directors of housing development corporations, 10 homeless transitional housing services, Advisory 11 Board of the Federal Home Loan Bank, and recently 12 the Affordable Housing Advisory Council of Fannie 13 Mae. For five years I was on the board of Habitat 14 for Humanity International, serving three of those 15 as treasurer. 16 So I must say I do find it quite odd to be 17 on this side of the table under such circumstances. 18 In fact, if these hearings produce more of a 19 commitment to affordable housing and community 20 development from Bank of America, then I would be 21 very pleased. But times have changed, and in some 22 respects for the better, and Bank of America 23 epitomizes these changes, in my view. 24 Through CRA, the realization that decent . 0333 1 enough loans could be made in lower-income 2 communities, the realization that healthy 3 communities are in all of our interests, and just 4 the plain old notion of what is right and needs 5 doing, in my view banks today are for more 6 responsive to the needs of poor communities than 7 they were 10 or 15 years ago. 8 However, while all of the above reasons are 9 valid, the most important ingredient in my view is 10 leadership. Leadership sets the tone as to whether 11 the bank views their CRA requirement as simply one 12 more regulation to be fulfilled or as a duty of a 13 responsible corporate citizen at the fulcrum of 14 influence and wealth in our society. 15 Bank of America's leadership put their bank 16 out front on these issues, starting with Hugh 17 McColl, the former CEO. In my work with Habitat for 18 Humanity, I witnessed Hugh McColl's personal 19 commitment to Habitat, not just dollars. I saw him 20 at a building site, long after the cameras had gone. 21 I've seen him at small receptions for Habitat. I 22 know the figures of support from Bank of America and 23 NationsBank and before that NCNB. They are large; 24 they are larger, I believe, than any other bank in . 0334 1 America. 2 Closer to home, I can safely stroll down 3 the street in my neighborhood in downtown Atlanta in 4 part because the then NationsBank became deeply 5 involved in bringing back the historic neighborhood 6 adjacent to the neighborhood where Dr. Martin Luther 7 King grew up. They worked closely in partnership 8 with the local CDC there. 9 As for my own organization, B of A has 10 become a valuable business partner. We enjoy a 11 small line of credit, a construction loan, small 12 grants from time to time, and members of their 13 senior management team have served on our Board of 14 Directors. 15 Therefore, I do testify on behalf of the 16 merger with Bank of America. I'm not qualified in 17 the least to comment on the strategic ramifications 18 of this merger, nor do I know specifically what 19 bearing the merger will have on the lives of low- 20 income people. But I do know what I have personally 21 witnessed by Bank of America in this arena for over 22 ten years, and it is this record that persuaded me 23 to come here today. 24 Thank you. . 0335 1 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 2 much. 3 Mr. Arnett. 4 MR. ARNETT: Thank you. My name is Stu 5 Arnett, and I am the Director of Economic 6 Development for the State of New Hampshire. Also 7 my family is a client of Fleet. We have three small 8 accounts, commercial or residential accounts, and I 9 can assure you they are very small. I'm also 10 probably one of the few of your guests who have come 11 here today to get warmer. 12 The Economic Development Division of New 13 Hampshire basically supervises a number of program 14 areas, but just to give you some idea, a variety of 15 business services, including financing, 16 international trade, and small business counseling. 17 We also work indirectly on community 18 development and housing, affordable housing and 19 housing supply boards. I am a term employee, 20 meaning I'm appointed by the governor and what is 21 called the Executive Council. I was first appointed 22 and then reappointed by Governor Shaheen, and now 23 I'm happy to serve Governor Benson. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Excuse me. Could . 0336 1 we have quiet in the back of the room. 2 MR. ARNETT: I mentioned I was appointed 3 and then reappointed by Governor Shaheen, and I am 4 happy to serve now with Governor Benson. 5 On December 19 I submitted to the Federal 6 Reserve a letter lending my support of the proposed 7 merger, basically because of the exemplary track 8 record that Fleet has with us in New Hampshire on 9 both community development and economic development 10 projects. Although I will say again for the record, 11 though, that they have not invested anything 12 directly as far as money into our organization; it's 13 basically pledging their community assets and their 14 time. 15 My last comment will be to read a letter of 16 support from Governor Benson, dated the 13th, to the 17 Federal Reserve Bank. "Dear Colleagues: I would 18 like to take this opportunity to express my support 19 for the proposed merger of Fleet and Bank of 20 America. 21 "Through the years, Fleet has continued to 22 demonstrate leadership in promoting economic growth 23 and healthy community throughout New Hampshire. 24 Fleet's employees and corporate management in this . 0337 1 state have been leaders in volunteerism and 2 philanthropy. 3 "Based on what we have learned about Bank 4 of America's record of participation in these key 5 areas in other regions of the country, we are 6 optimistic that this merger will result in this 7 outstanding record continuing. 8 "Sincerely, Greg R. Benson, Governor." 9 Thank you. 10 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 11 much. 12 Ms. Greene. 13 MS. GREENE: Good afternoon. My name is 14 Jennie Greene. I'm the Executive Director of the 15 Aquinnah Wampanoag Tribal Housing Authority for the 16 Wampanoag Tribe of Gay Head in Aquinnah, 17 Massachusetts. I am speaking today as the board 18 representative of the National American Indian 19 Housing Council. 20 I speak on behalf of the housing interests 21 of 562 federally recognized tribes located on tribal 22 lands across this vast country, a population that's 23 been barely mentioned today. 24 I wants to thank you for the opportunity to . 0338 1 speak, as Indian Country sorely needs banking 2 services. This merger is of acute interest to the 3 housing industry, which relies on financial 4 institutions in order to provide housing for Native 5 Americans who live on reservations or in tribal 6 areas. NAIHC would like to voice support for the 7 merger with the caveat that there be a binding 8 commitment established for the merged institution to 9 provide more loans and services in Indian Country. 10 It is our fear that because so few banks 11 serve the Indian reservations, as Indian 12 reservations are frequently located in rural and 13 remote areas, diminishing the number of separate 14 institutions will further hurt our chances of 15 getting these desperately needed services. 16 We recognize that housing loans are not the 17 only services that banks can provide to our native 18 people, because consumer economic development, 19 community and other loans are equally important to 20 tribes. 21 Both Fleet and Bank of America have a poor 22 history of providing banking products and services 23 to Indian Country. This is deplorable when you 24 consider that in 1998 the Bank of America committed . 0339 1 millions towards community development for tribes, 2 as part of the Bank of America Rural 2000 3 initiative. However this commitment was never 4 fulfilled, and the native community never received 5 the millions in lending promised to assist them. 6 64 percent of the 2.5 million single-race 7 Native American population resides in the tribal 8 areas. Of that number, 86.4 percent of the tribal 9 work force is employed, ready to open checking 10 accounts, make investments and borrow money for 11 homes and businesses. Yet there are few, if any, 12 available in tribal areas. In some cases, the 13 closest bank is 150 miles away, hardly a convenient 14 place for someone to hop in the car to transact 15 business. 16 The lack of access to financial 17 institutions makes it difficult to establish credit 18 history, start a business, obtain a credit card or 19 even cash a check. It also prevents an honest, 20 hard-working person from getting a mortgage to buy a 21 home, when there is no bank to lend money and no way 22 to prove creditworthiness. 23 In an effort to create home ownership 24 opportunities for low-and-moderate-income Native . 0340 1 Americans, the Department of HUD developed two 2 guaranteed loan programs, the Section 184 Guaranteed 3 Loan Program and the Title VI Guaranteed Loan under 4 the Native American Housing Assistance and 5 Self-Determination Act of 1996. Unfortunately, 6 these programs have not experienced great success. 7 Yet the delinquency or the default rate for the HUD 8 Section 184 program is just over 1.1 percent, and 9 even lower for Veterans Affairs loans to Native 10 Americans, hardly high-risk lending. 11 While NAIHC supports the merger, we request 12 the bank to develop and implement a plan to develop 13 banking products and services to the tribes on their 14 reservations and in Indian areas. Further, we ask 15 that the merger include language with a commitment 16 by Bank of America to take steps to protect Native 17 Americans from being victims of predatory lending, 18 something that is occurring more frequently to those 19 with the least exposure and experience with banks 20 and their products. 21 A study completed last summer found a 22 number of tribal members lost their homes to 23 predatory lending, particularly among the elders, 24 first-time home buyers, and purchasers of . 0341 1 manufactured homes. 2 Bank of America must monitor the practices 3 of its sub-prime lending and work with native 4 nonprofits in developing financial literacy and 5 antipredatory lending initiatives. Native Americans 6 must be provided the same considerations as other 7 races, to prevent discrimination in the provision of 8 services. 9 It is my belief that Bank of America can do 10 the right thing for native people by strongly 11 committing to these recommendations to better serve 12 the underbanked population in this nation. We have 13 provided further testimony with statistics which 14 would help you in your consideration of this. 15 Thank you for your time, and should you 16 have any questions, I will be more than happy to 17 answer them. 18 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 19 much. 20 Mr Kreymeyer. 21 MR. KREYMEYER: Good afternoon. My name is 22 Chris Kreymeyer. I'm the Executive Director of 23 Beyond Housing/NHS in St. Louis, Missouri, and I 24 applaud the bank and its staff for carrying out this . 0342 1 very important but seemingly endless process here 2 today. So in the ninth hour now of this, I will try 3 to be as brief and succinct as I can. 4 For 25 years Beyond Housing/NHS has been 5 helping low-income families in communities in the 6 St. Louis region through a variety of mechanisms. 7 First, the construction and rehabilitation and then 8 renting of single-family homes to low-income 9 families, to single moms with kids, and offering 10 them a wide variety of support services. 11 Secondly, leading broad-based community 12 building work where we are working with several 13 communities and their leadership to build new homes, 14 to buy and rehab existing structures, to give out 15 grants to existing homeowners for code violations. 16 We run two family support centers. We do a wide 17 variety of programming for the children and the 18 seniors in the community. 19 Lastly, we run a home ownership center 20 that's designated by our national partner, 21 Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation. We are one 22 of 200 or so affiliates across the country. 23 That kind of work and the reach that we're 24 able to have day in and day out is only possible . 0343 1 when you have friends and partners like Bank of 2 America. Our work with them has been long, and it 3 has been consistent over many years. They offer us 4 competitive loans, countless charitable 5 contributions, provide us in-kind donations through 6 a wide variety of means. 7 Our work of helping those that we serve is 8 critical. We can't do it without great friends like 9 Bank of America. They are also flexible and 10 creative. They have created a limited liability 11 corporation with our organization to work in a 12 targeted neighborhood in terms of housing 13 construction and housing development. They've also 14 offered us one of their banking institutions to 15 provide some home ownership education curriculum to 16 a part of our community that is underserved relative 17 to that. 18 I'm here today to say that Bank of America 19 is a great friend and great partner. I don't 20 pretend to be smart enough to understand the size 21 and scope of this on a national level, but I want to 22 leave you with one last thought. 23 You have been bombarded with a variety of 24 statistics and numbers and dollars. Behind all of . 0344 1 that is a human face, and what we've seen and what 2 we know is, because of Bank of America, new homes 3 have been built where vacant land used to be. 4 What I do know is, where dilapidated 5 structures used to be, newly renovated homes now 6 exist and families have a place to call home. What 7 I do know is, because of Bank of America's support, 8 children have after-school programs, have access to 9 summer camp. What I do know, because of Bank of 10 America in the St. Louis region, a lot of folks are 11 better off. 12 And my belief is the leadership of the Bank 13 of America, their commitment to our work in St. 14 Louis, can cascade throughout this country if this 15 transaction is approved. 16 Thanks very much, 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 18 much. 19 We're going to take a break. We're going 20 to break just for ten minutes, given that we're 21 behind schedule. So if you could gather yourselves 22 after that. 23 (Recess) 24 . 0345 1 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We're running 2 behind schedule somewhat, so we are holding to the 3 three-minute assigned time that you have been given. 4 Watch the timers, and do try to wind up quickly 5 after you're given the signal that your time has 6 expired. 7 So we'll start with Mr. Grogan, name and 8 affiliation to start with. 9 MR. GROGAN: My name is Paul Grogan. I'm 10 the president of The Boston Foundation, which is 11 Greater Boston's community foundation. I'm glad to 12 be here today. 13 I'll be very brief, and I do want to note 14 that I am not here representing The Boston 15 Foundation, which takes no position on transactions 16 of this kind, but I'm here rather as a long-time 17 housing and community development official in 18 government and in the nonprofit sector that has had 19 extensive experience in working with the two banks 20 that are proposing to merge. 21 I think all of us Bostonians, of course, if 22 pressed, would be delighted if Boston were to be the 23 headquarters of this new combined bank, but the 24 economic realities being what they are, if our . 0346 1 hometown bank is going to merge, it couldn't have a 2 better partner, in my experience, than the Bank of 3 America. 4 I was the president and CEO of the Local 5 Initiatives Support Corporation for 13 years in the 6 '80s and '90s. I'm actually affiliated with a 7 number of organizations you're going to be hearing 8 from subsequently, but what many of these 9 organizations represent is really the cutting edge 10 of housing and community development. 11 Not only have Fleet and Bank of America, in 12 my experience, fulfilled their commitments, they 13 have put outstanding executives to work on issues 14 relating to urban development and housing and 15 community development. They have made it central to 16 their institutions' missions. They've gotten 17 results. 18 And they have been extremely receptive to 19 cutting-edge ideas and new products that have really 20 advanced the whole housing and community development 21 field and account for much of the stunning 22 neighborhood revitalization that we see in our own 23 City of Boston and many other cities around the 24 country. . 0347 1 I think it's fair to say that on a national 2 level the Bank of America has really been one of the 3 principal architects, at least among major banks, in 4 terms of what I think of as the community 5 development banking revolution in the mainstream 6 banking sector, which is the lengthy process, but 7 it's well along now, of legitimating the flow of 8 market capital and bringing real emphasis and 9 standards to that market capital into distressed 10 neighborhoods and into areas where it once feared to 11 go. 12 So I think these are two superb 13 institutions that have fulfilled their obligations. 14 And in my long experience through many, many 15 different organizations, they've fulfilled their 16 commitments, they have been receptive to good ideas, 17 and they're going to fulfill the commitments that 18 they have already declared nationally and locally in 19 the context of this merger. 20 Thank you very much. 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 22 MS. HABIBY: My name is Anne Habiby, and 23 I'm with a national nonprofit called the Initiative 24 for Competitive Inner City. We are Boston based. . 0348 1 Our mission is to make the business case for inner 2 cities and try to accelerate business investment and 3 business growth in inner cities. 4 Clearly a lot of the conversation today has 5 been about mortgage finance. I wish to add a 6 different perspective, and that is around investment 7 in job and business growth, a very important 8 function that commercial banks play. 9 I also wish to unambiguously speak in favor 10 of the merger. Merger is unavoidable, and we have 11 two of the best here at the table together. I think 12 this is a dramatic opportunity. 13 I also wish to sort of tell by way of 14 anecdote the power of the leadership of these two 15 institutions and what we have to gain. 16 In 1997, NationsBank, of course now Bank of 17 America, pioneered a national effort to raise 18 awareness about the job and business potential of 19 inner cities, obviously areas that most had written 20 off. They convened about 100 leaders for three days 21 to talk about change and what we were going to do to 22 move the needle in this country. 23 A group of about ten people worked all 24 night for two nights, and remarkably Cathy Bessant . 0349 1 was one of them. She not only hosted the meeting, 2 but she didn't sleep for three days. Long after 3 everyone was sleeping, she was there, and she meant 4 business. 5 The most important idea that came out of 6 this was in fact a mega-movement for inner cities. 7 We came up with this crazy idea that the president 8 of this country should advance a trade mission to 9 what, our own inner cities, instead of doing trade 10 missions overseas. 11 Cathy Bessant and Gail Snowden took up that 12 charge. They went to their leaders and said, "We 13 must make this so." And lo and behold, President 14 Clinton created something called the New Markets 15 Tour, and didn't stop there, subsequently created 16 something called the New Market Tax Credit. This 17 was a milestone for inner cities. People made a 18 difference, and these two leaders made it happen. 19 But that wasn't quite enough. Three months 20 ago these same leaders, Bank of America, Fleet and 21 others, convened about 200 leaders to once again 22 think about what could be another step forward. 23 Again, people met all through the night to 24 work through these ideas, and to our amazement, . 0350 1 Cathy Bessant showed up. She had not been invited, 2 because she had risen well above the level of 3 executive worker bee. Again she demonstrated her 4 depth of commitment, her sense of urgency for inner 5 cities. 6 One could tell exactly the same story of 7 Gail Snowden, but I don't need to do that, because 8 all of us in this room know her well and are 9 inspired by her work. 10 My point of support for the merger is 11 twofold. It is indeed about people, which is what a 12 lot of people have said today. We have two of the 13 best. They collectively have pioneered what we have 14 come to understand is community banking in this 15 country. Having them join forces is a step forward. 16 Second, much more needs to be done. This 17 morning Massachusetts Senator Wilkerson referenced 18 comments by a very famous Wall Street analyst who 19 cast doubt on the merger. The analyst had the 20 audacity to say, "I feel pretty certain that they're 21 not putting $750 billion into high-risk lending, 22 which is what minority lending tends to be." 23 We should support Bank of America in 24 affirming, with this commitment, the viability of . 0351 1 inner-city markets, and we should stand behind them. 2 Merger is going to happen. We have a tremendous 3 opportunity with these two banks and these two 4 leaders. I submit that this merger is a significant 5 opportunity for the inner cities of the Northeast. 6 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 7 Mr. O'Connor. 8 MR. O'CONNOR: Madam Chairman, thank you 9 very much. My name is Stephen O'Connor, I'm with 10 the Community Development Trust, and as Mr. Grogan 11 said, I am one of the several progenies that have 12 come as a result of his leadership and initiative 13 and dedication. 14 Founded in 1999 by the Local Initiatives 15 Support Council when Mr. Grogan was there, the 16 Community Development Trust, or CDT for short, is 17 the nation's first and only real estate investment 18 trust dedicated to the preservation of affordable 19 housing. We accomplish our mission through direct 20 equity investments in expiring use properties, 21 attempting to capture and preserve these vital but 22 diminishing national assets by preventing their 23 conversion into market-rate properties. 24 Unlike the 180 or so publicly traded REITs . 0352 1 in the United States with access to broader capital 2 markets, CDT's unique mission is achieved through 3 the direct investment of socially minded and 4 dedicated community development institutions like 5 Fleet Bank. 6 Our mission was successfully launched 7 through the private placement of nearly $32 million 8 of equity capital. Fleet Bank was not only one of 9 the first to pledge their support, but they were 10 also one of our largest initial investors, providing 11 $3 million toward our ambitious national goal of 12 affordable housing preservation. 13 Having now leveraged our initial capital 14 into nearly $200 million worth of affordable housing 15 assets, last year CDT set out to once again raise 16 additional capital. And once again, based upon 17 performance and mission, Fleet Bank came through 18 with an additional $3 million investment. 19 While the financial support of Fleet Bank 20 has been instrumental to the success of CDT, we have 21 also benefited greatly from the corporate leadership 22 of their commitment. Currently Mr. Phil Grossman is 23 a proactive and contributing member of CDT's Board 24 of Directors, and we view Fleet's overall . 0353 1 participation in CDT as an integral factor in the 2 success of our mission. 3 In addition, CDT also serves as a pro bono 4 advisor to Habitat for Humanity. Under the Habitat 5 program, simple and decent affordable housing is 6 sold at no profit to low-income families who are 7 otherwise not eligible for conventional financing. 8 While the average Habitat dwelling costs 9 roughly $48,000 to construct, the typical Habitat 10 family only earns between 25 and 50 percent of area 11 median income. To help bridge the affordability 12 gap, each Habitat family is required to contribute 13 between 300 and 500 hours of sweat equity on the 14 construction of their own home, as well as working 15 on the homes of other Habitat families. 16 Currently, there are 1,650 local Habitat 17 affiliates that have collectively built, repaired or 18 renovated nearly 6,000 homes in 2003. To finance 19 these home, the typical Habitat mortgage bears zero 20 percent interest for a term of 20 years. And while 21 we have an effective secondary market in this 22 country for market-rate single-family mortgages, no 23 such vehicle exits for below-market-rate mortgages 24 made to low-income families. . 0354 1 To help remedy this deficiency, as well as 2 to secure the future viability of this program, CDT 3 has helped to develop a securitization program for 4 Habitat mortgages. With approximately 35,000 5 mortgages held in the United States, collectively 6 the Habitat affiliates now hold nearly $750 million 7 in illiquid zero percent mortgages. 8 Under this new program, Habitat issues 9 bonds that are securitized by the principal payments 10 on the zero interest mortgages held by affiliates. 11 In return, investors typically receive between 1 and 12 5 percent interest on these bonds. To date, Habitat 13 has raised $45 million for affiliates through this 14 program. 15 Once again, Fleet Bank has been an early 16 and strong supporter of this program through direct 17 investments of $2 1/2 million in the Habitat 18 offerings. 19 My time is up, so in conclusion, we view 20 Fleet Bank as an active and responsible member of 21 the community development community, and we urge you 22 to support the proposed merger. 23 Thank you. 24 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. . 0355 1 Mr. Thomas. 2 MR. THOMAS: Good afternoon. I am Henry 3 Thomas, President and CEO of Urban League of 4 Springfield, Massachusetts, the largest African- 5 American community-based organization in the western 6 part of the state. 7 I want to first thank you for an 8 opportunity to testify on behalf of the Urban League 9 of Springfield, and we are here to support the 10 merger between Bank of America and Fleet Bank. We 11 think that it will yield some wonderful benefits to 12 the entire region. 13 The proposed merger for which we are here 14 commenting today represents a significant milestone 15 and opportunity for the citizens and businesses of 16 the community within the Commonwealth of 17 Massachusetts -- for communities within the 18 Commonwealth of Massachusetts. 19 In addition to uniting two of the nation's 20 finest and strongest banking institutions, this 21 merger will undoubtedly create a financial 22 infrastructure that will enhance our business and 23 retail climate. 24 While others are inclined to think that . 0356 1 this merger will compromise banking service, 2 quality, jobs stability, et cetera, I believe on the 3 contrary that the result of this merger will bring 4 technological efficiencies and capacity that will 5 enhance employment opportunities, product 6 innovations, and financial sophistication. 7 Moreover, the financial strength of the combined 8 institutions will accrue to greater lending and 9 investment opportunities to grow local businesses. 10 During my tenure as President and CEO of 11 the Urban League of Springfield, I have come to know 12 the Fleet organization intimately and value their 13 commitment and involvement in our community. Our 14 corporate banking relationship eclipses more than 15 three decades and has evolved into a genuine 16 partnership. Without question, Fleet has been a 17 true partner and supporter with us in our efforts to 18 enhance the lives of our low-income community. 19 Our specific work involves advocating on 20 public policy issues affecting the dispossessed in 21 our community, promoting economic and financial 22 self-sufficiency, academic achievement, literacy and 23 proficiency among our city's youth, and developing 24 initiatives that enhance productive aging . 0357 1 experiences for our senior citizens. 2 As our local Urban League affiliate is 3 stalwart in its efforts to positively influence and 4 revitalize the community, Fleet Bank has been a 5 consistent and essential link in the process. 6 Fleet's commitment has provided funding to 7 start and maintain programs, loan financing for 8 necessary capital improvements, lines of credit to 9 help with our funding inconsistencies, partnering 10 for financial literacy, education and home buyer 11 workshops and staff resources to help advance our 12 focused agenda to empower people for self- 13 sufficiency. Whenever called upon, and to the 14 extent possible, Fleet has been a true leader with 15 regard to sharing their financial resources with the 16 community. 17 I hear the bell here, and I'll close in 18 making a final comment. From our vantage point, 19 Bank of America -- the increase of resources by the 20 merger with Bank of America and Fleet Bank will 21 accrue locally and will not diminish the vital 22 corporate assistance that advances our human service 23 work. It is reasonable to anticipate that, 24 following the merger, these two organizations will . 0358 1 enjoy greater financial strength in the global 2 marketplace. 3 CRA is important to Western Massachusetts, 4 and I believe that the combined institutions will 5 demonstrate and fulfill their commitment and their 6 resolve. 7 Thank you for the opportunity. 8 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Mr. Brown. 9 MR. BROWN: Good afternoon. My name is 10 Michael Brown, and I'm the President and Co-Founder 11 of City Year. We are a national organization based 12 in Boston, committed to serving the community by 13 tapping the idealism of young adults for a year of 14 full-time community service. 15 I appreciate this opportunity to share City 16 Year's support for the proposed merger between Fleet 17 Bank and Bank of America. We support this because 18 we trust the new entity will continue investing 19 significantly in our community. 20 That trust and confidence is based not on 21 words but on deeds. It is rooted in the uniquely 22 supportive role, even the catalytic role that Fleet 23 Bank and its chairman and CEO Chad Gifford have 24 played in City Year's development and history over . 0359 1 our 15-year partnership. 2 In 1988, Chad Gifford and the bank he led 3 took a risk on a new civic venture, becoming a 4 founding sponsor of City Year, and the first company 5 in the nation to sponsor a City Year team of diverse 6 young people in full-time service. Today more than 7 350 companies have followed this act of leadership. 8 The bank then became the first company to 9 sponsor a community service team in more than one 10 our cities, and ultimately became a founding sponsor 11 of four City Year programs, in Boston, Philadelphia, 12 Rhode Island and New Hampshire. 13 In 1999, Fleet Bank became the first 14 company to endow a City Year team, and in doing so 15 created the first endowed community service 16 positions for young people in the country. 17 There are countless stories of what Fleet 18 has made possible at City Year. Thousands of 19 children have been tutored and mentored, vacant lots 20 have been transformed into community gardens, scores 21 of community centers have been revitalized, and 22 thousands of citizens have been organized for 23 service through our annual serve-a-thon, all because 24 of Fleet support. . 0360 1 All told, Fleet Bank has sponsored 350 2 full-time City Year corps members, who have 3 contributed more than 600,000 hours of full-time 4 service. On the financial side, Fleet has provided 5 City Year with a line of credit, a critical service 6 to a nonprofit organization. 7 We are now celebrating our 15th anniversary 8 with Fleet. What has maintained that partnership is 9 Fleet's strong commitment to community and its 10 culture of civic involvement and leadership. 11 It is greatly encouraging to know that Chad 12 Gifford will become Chairman of the Board of the new 13 entity of Bank of America and then become chairman 14 of the bank's charitable foundation in New England. 15 We know firsthand of his deep commitment to building 16 communities, to diversity, to social 17 entrepreneurship and especially to young people. 18 Bank of America also has a tremendous track 19 record of community investment. We have every 20 confidence that the new company being formed will 21 maintain this commitment to, in Fleet's own words, 22 "working together to help the future of our 23 community outshine its proud history." 24 Thank you for providing me with this . 0361 1 opportunity to speak today. 2 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 3 MR. RUBINGER: Good afternoon. My name is 4 Michael Rubinger, and I am the President and Chief 5 Executive Officer of LISC, the Local Initiatives 6 Support Corporation. And while we have a long and 7 very productive relationship with Fleet Bank, I'm 8 here this afternoon principally to focus on our 9 equally productive relationship with the Bank of 10 America in markets outside of New England. 11 LISC is one of the nation's largest 12 nonprofit community development support 13 organizations. Since 1980, LISC has invested 14 $4 1/2 billion in low-income urban neighborhoods and 15 rural areas through local development corporations, 16 so-called CDCs. 17 This investment has led to the construction 18 or rehabilitation of over 130,000 affordable homes 19 and 20 million square feet of economic development 20 facilities, employing some 52,000 individuals. We 21 have helped to finance day care centers, health 22 clinics, schools and community centers, all serving 23 lower-income, inner-city and rural residents. 24 LISC now provides about $600 million . 0362 1 annually to CDCs in the form of grants, loans and 2 investments. We have worked extensively in New 3 England, including Greater Boston, Rhode Island, 4 Connecticut and rural Maine, but much of LISC's 5 activity has been in markets that Bank of America 6 already serves. 7 For over 20 years our relationship with the 8 bank has been a close and mutually supportive one. 9 Bank of America has been one of our largest donors, 10 providing us with almost $11 million in grants, 11 $43.5 million in below market loans, and $480 12 million in equity investments. 13 At a total of over half a billion dollars, 14 this is very substantial level of commitment to 15 LISC, but more important to the community 16 development activities in low-income communities. 17 But numbers alone do not tell the full 18 story of our relationship. Bank of America has been 19 willing to invest its time and reputation as well as 20 its money in important and promising ideas. 21 In the early 1980s, for example, Bank of 22 America lent us $10 million, at that time by far our 23 largest bank loan, and an important statement of 24 confidence in us and the community groups we serve. . 0363 1 That expression of confidence and support opened the 2 door to support from other financial institutions. 3 In virtually every innovative new program 4 we've launched, Bank of America has been at the 5 forefront, willing to take risks in the interests of 6 progress. 7 For example, Bank of America helped us 8 create and implement each of the following: a 9 secondary market for community development loans; an 10 equity investment fund for major inner-city 11 supermarkets; the nation's first real estate 12 investment trust dedicated to community development; 13 expansion of our successful urban program into rural 14 America; training and technical assistance programs 15 to strengthen the organizational capacity of CDCs; 16 and a partnership to help public housing authorities 17 access private financing. 18 We have found Bank of America has stayed 19 the course through the tough times, as well as the 20 good, balancing its own interests with the broader 21 mission of building communities. That has been very 22 important to us, to the CDCs we work with, and to 23 the community development field more generally. 24 The Bank of America has been a vital and . 0364 1 productive partner for LISC in our community 2 revitalization efforts on behalf of lower-income 3 families and individuals nationwide. 4 If the merger before you is approved, which 5 we urge you to do, we have every reason to believe 6 that that partnership and those efforts will be 7 deepened and broadened, as the Bank of America 8 expands its community development activities and 9 commitment into the New England region. 10 Thank you very much. 11 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 12 much for coming this afternoon. 13 We'll start with Mr. Nugent. 14 MR. NUGENT: Good afternoon. 15 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: We're in the 16 three-minute frame. 17 MR. NUGENT: My name is Jeff Nugent. I'm 18 the Executive Vice-President of the Development 19 Training Institute, a 23-year-old national 20 organization devoted to supporting the leaders of 21 community organizations, government and the private 22 sector engaged in revitalizing blighted communities 23 throughout the nation. 24 Thousands of leaders of the most successful . 0365 1 community-based development organizations -- and 2 actually a number of those testifying here today -- 3 in the country have graduated from our intensive 4 leadership programs, and over 12,000 bankers have 5 attended our programs on community development 6 lending. I manage the national community 7 development lending school sponsored annually by the 8 Federal Reserve. 9 It's very fitting that I would follow Mike 10 Rubinger of LISC in this presentation. The leaders 11 of many of the organizations that have accomplished 12 the kinds of things that Mike spoke of are graduates 13 of DTI's programs. 14 I'm here to testify strongly in support of 15 merger between Bank of America and FleetBoston. The 16 Bank of America has led the banking industry in 17 supporting the kinds of leadership and management 18 development programs conducted for senior staff of 19 community-based housing and economic development 20 organizations by the Development Training Institute. 21 This investment by the Bank of America has 22 resulted in the development of tens of thousands of 23 affordable housing units and billions of dollars of 24 financing of housing and community economic . 0366 1 development projects throughout Bank of America's 2 service areas. It has also helped to create the 3 next generation of leaders who will continue to 4 articulate new visions and deliver substantial 5 results for their communities. 6 Specifically, these results include the 7 development of over $2 billion in affordable housing 8 and community economic development projects, with 9 over $1 billion of these costs privately financed 10 often by the Bank of America but by other banks as 11 well. In this way the entire community reinvestment 12 industry has benefited from these investments made 13 by the bank in these leaders of community-based 14 organizations. 15 The merger between these two institutions 16 will result in increased innovation and further 17 commitments that will enhance the effectiveness of 18 community-based development organizations in 19 achieving their goals for years to come, and the 20 Development Training Institute is strongly in 21 support of this move. 22 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 23 We'll go to Mr. Banuelos. 24 MR. BANUELOS: Thank you. My name is Fred . 0367 1 Banuelos. I'm the President and CEO of the Alliance 2 for Building Communities, a local nonprofit 3 affordable housing agency which spans five counties 4 in Northeastern Pennsylvania. 5 Headquartered in the Lehigh Valley, the 6 Alliance for Building Communities provides rentals 7 as well as first-time home buyer opportunities to 8 low-to-moderate-income families. We provide home 9 ownership counseling and owner-occupied 10 rehabilitation as well. 11 Since Fleet Bank's presence in the Lehigh 12 Valley two and a half years ago, the Alliance for 13 Building Communities has been able to build a strong 14 working relationship with Fleet Bank that has 15 enabled our affordable housing agency and low-income 16 families to participate in many funding products 17 that Fleet has to offer. 18 They have not only done a good job in 19 reporting on their reinvestment record in the 20 community, but they have worked tirelessly in making 21 sure that they are in touch with the community 22 banking needs. 23 I was pleased to learn that Bank of 24 America, with a strong banking reputation, and Fleet . 0368 1 Bank will soon join forces to continue to work in 2 the community. So here today, I urge this merger 3 and am in full support of it. 4 Thank you. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 6 much. 7 Mr. Sibley. 8 MR. SIBLEY: Good evening. My name is 9 Russell Sibley. I'm Senior Vice-President of 10 Greater Miami Neighborhoods, so I bring greetings 11 from sunny Florida. 12 I want to talk to you today a little bit 13 about the positive experience we have had with Bank 14 of America and its predecessors NationsBank and 15 Barnett Bank in community development activities and 16 give you one example, and perhaps it will help 17 focus. We are here, of course, in support of the 18 merger. 19 Our organization, Greater Miami 20 Neighborhoods, is a mission-driven nonprofit. 21 Although Miami is in the name, we're a statewide 22 organization working throughout Florida. We work to 23 provide housing for low-and-very-low-income families 24 throughout Florida. We have developed over 5,000 . 0369 1 homes and apartments valued at over $400 million in 2 the aggregate. 3 The Bank of America, through our 15-year 4 experience, and its predecessors, understand and 5 support the work that we have as a nonprofit 6 developer. With us in the past, they have served 7 obviously as a lender, they are a tax credit 8 investor in some of our developments, and in one 9 instance they've actually been a development 10 partner, standing side by side, working with us as a 11 development partner. 12 I want to talk about one particular kind of 13 transaction, though, and that is the preservation of 14 existing affordable housing, as we have properties 15 such as Section A properties or others that have 16 been in existence for 20 or 30 years with for- 17 profits owners who are getting out of the business. 18 They need to -- most of them are typically selling 19 their properties. 20 As they do so, in order for us as a 21 mission-driven nonprofit to be competitive, we have 22 to be able to move as quickly as any other buyer. 23 Bank of America understands that, and 24 together we've developed an interim financing model . 0370 1 that lets us acquire these properties quickly, and 2 then over a period of, say, one to two and sometimes 3 up to three years, bring the additional financing 4 that will let us complete the rehabilitation work on 5 these 20-to-30-year-old properties, and then bring 6 subsidized and below-market-rate local government 7 financing and state financing to these developments 8 to provide stability for the long term. 9 The Bank of America understands that and 10 has really worked with us to do that. In the last 11 four years, using this particular model, we've 12 acquired five existing properties. They contain 844 13 units. Loans from the Bank of America have been in 14 the range from $2 1/2 million to almost $8 million, 15 and these loans aggregate $23 1/2 million. 16 These are significant commitments that 17 they've made. We've borrowed the money; we've paid 18 it back according to terms. We've executed on these 19 transactions the way we wanted to, which was to 20 bring in the bond financing, bring in the lower 21 interest rate, state and local subordinate debt. 22 And we have been able to complete the acquisition, 23 complete the rehab, and have these properties be 24 stabilized for the next 20 to 30 years. . 0371 1 An important element of our success has 2 been our work with Bank of America. We appreciate 3 their work, and we expect it to continue following 4 the merger with the Fleet Bank Boston, and we are in 5 support of it. 6 Thank you. 7 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Mr. Pinsky. 8 MR. PINSKY: Thank you. It's a pleasure to 9 be here. I'm Mark Pinsky, President and CEO of 10 National Community Capital Association. We are a 11 national network of community development financial 12 institutions. 13 The CDFI industry today comprises some 14 $10 billion in assets and have done upwards of 15 $12 billion of financing. Both of the banks 16 involved in this transaction, Bank of America and 17 Fleet, have been significant players. 18 I want to make three points today, and I 19 will do it as briefly as I can. The first is just 20 to say that National Community Capital is here to 21 speak in support of the merger of these two banks, 22 based on our experience in the CDFI industry. And I 23 want to identify four things that both banks bring 24 to the table and have demonstrated repeatedly in . 0372 1 their work in the industry. 2 The first is that both banks have embraced 3 community development finance as integral to their 4 core businesses and not treated it as something 5 outside of what their businesses were. 6 The second is they have invested heavily in 7 human capital, expertise, as well as financial 8 capital. You have heard many examples today about 9 the ways that they brought innovation and ideas to 10 the table. 11 The third is they've consistently treated 12 CDFIs as customers and partners, and not, again, as 13 supplicants, if you will. 14 The fourth is that they have pioneered 15 products and services with CDFIs, as well as led 16 other banks into CDFI investments. Again, you have 17 heard other examples of that today. 18 The second point I wanted to make, despite 19 the fact that I come at this from a CDFI 20 perspective, is that CDFIs are only a part, and we 21 hope a relatively small part, frankly, of community 22 development finance in this country and the 23 strategies of both of these banks. 24 And I trust that both banks as they look at . 0373 1 this, and the Federal Reserve as they look at this, 2 will in fact take seriously and think seriously 3 about some of the other issues we've heard about 4 today, particularly as they relate to the 5 specificity of plans going forward. 6 I trust that Bank of America and Fleet, 7 because of the experience that we've had with them, 8 will respond to that. I think that creates 9 transparency and credibility, and I think in fact 10 that this discussion today is an opportunity for the 11 banks to demonstrate that in fact they have done 12 that and that they're committed to doing that. 13 The third is really to recognize, picking 14 up on something that Paul Grogan said earlier, that 15 there has been a revolution in community development 16 finance and that in fact we're entering a new era, 17 and that in fact the way community development 18 finance gets done in the future is going to be 19 markedly different than the way it got done in the 20 past. 21 The creation with this merger of a national 22 bank creates all sorts of opportunities to create 23 systems that deliver capital, that bring people from 24 outside the economic mainstream into the economic . 0374 1 mainstream and brings the economic mainstream into 2 the lives of those people in those communities in 3 the context of this merger, and again we urge to you 4 support it. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Mr. Foss. 6 MR. FOSS: Thank you for this opportunity 7 today. I'm the senior director for ACCION USA. 8 We're a private nonprofit organization that provides 9 credit and business training to micro-entrepreneurs, 10 low-and-moderate-income self-employed women and men. 11 ACCION is comprised of a micro-lending 12 network of five independent organizations serving 13 low-income communities in Greater Chicago, New 14 Mexico, San Diego, Texas and New York, along with 15 three direct lending offices in Atlanta, Southern 16 New England and Miami. They are all directly 17 managed from our Boston headquarters here, although 18 we'd prefer probably to be in Miami at this point. 19 To date, ACCION has dispersed over 20 $83 million in micro-business loans to 16,800 home- 21 based and storefront business owners, helping them 22 to expand their businesses, increase their income 23 and improve their families' well-being, individuals 24 very much like Mr. Flores who spoke on Panel 12 a . 0375 1 few minutes ago. 2 The purpose of my testimony today is to 3 describe the overall positive interaction and 4 relationship ACCION has had with both banks for over 5 a decade and to speak in support of the merger. 6 Every ACCION program is located in a city 7 or community where Fleet and/or Bank of America have 8 an active presence and therefore a responsibility. 9 Bank of America and Fleet have both 10 provided significant financial support to our 11 network for over a decade. This includes ongoing 12 grants and support from Bank of America for ACCION 13 programs in Chicago, New Mexico, San Diego, Texas, 14 Miami and Atlanta. It also includes current support 15 from Fleet Bank for our work in New York and 16 Southern New England. 17 In addition to grant support, Bank of 18 America has invested in our loan pools as well. For 19 example, the bank made a $1.2 million loan to ACCION 20 Texas at a below-market rate. This timely 21 investment by the bank enabled ACCION Texas to 22 leverage it and match it with the CDFI Fund. 23 As important as the financial support, both 24 banks have served generously on the boards of . 0376 1 directors and advisory boards of a number of our 2 network programs. We have two individuals, Gail 3 Snowden from Fleet and Mary Schultz Brown from Bank 4 of America, who serve on our national ACCION USA 5 Board of Directors. 6 Finally, we have worked closely with both 7 banks to establish joint customer referral programs. 8 When the banks aren't able to provide small business 9 loans to a potential customer, they will often refer 10 this lead to us. It tends to be a big part of our 11 business overall. Many of our current borrowers 12 came to us from bank referral programs. 13 Because of the support of Bank of America 14 and Fleet, ACCION has been able to help thousands of 15 hard-working micro-entrepreneurs with no other 16 access to loans. These small business owners in 17 turn have helped not only themselves but their 18 families, their employees and their communities. 19 We at this point look forward to building 20 on the fruitful and long relationship that we've had 21 with both institutions. 22 Thank you very much. 23 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 24 MR. UMANSKY: Good afternoon. My name is . 0377 1 David Umansky. I'm the director of Civic Builders. 2 Thank you for the opportunity to speak out in 3 support of the merger. 4 Civic Builders is a not-for-profit real 5 estate developer of charter school facilities in New 6 York City. Charter schools are a type of public 7 school which are given independence from boards of 8 education in exchange for strict performance 9 accountability standards. They receive dollars from 10 the State and Federal Governments, and in New York 11 tend to serve economically disadvantaged 12 neighborhoods. 13 Charters do not receive a separate stream 14 of funding for facilities, and consequently the 15 funding of charters' facilities is difficult to 16 finance. Civic Builders depends on lending partners 17 like Bank of America to do its deals. 18 This past October we closed on a 19 $4.7 million real estate deal which includes a 20 $3.3 million loan in senior debt from the Bank of 21 America. The facility is in the Hunt's Point 22 section of the Bronx, which is the poorest district 23 in the country, according to the 1990 census. 24 With Bank of America's help, a blighted . 0378 1 former salami factory is being turned into the Bronx 2 Charter School for the Arts, which will serve 280 3 neighborhood kids. I believe that anybody who would 4 have joined me at the groundbreaking for the Bronx 5 Charter School for the Arts and seen the 280 smiling 6 faces would support this merger. 7 Thank you. 8 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 9 MS. MIRANDA: Good afternoon. My name is 10 Grace Miranda, and I'm the Housing Director for 11 Corporation to Develop Communities of Tampa, Inc., 12 located in Tampa, Florida. 13 The Corporation to Develop Communities of 14 Tampa, which I'll refer to as CDC of Tampa from now 15 on, is celebrating our 11th year of providing 16 services to low-and-moderate-income residents in the 17 East Tampa area, which is one our inner cities. 18 Our mission is to raise the economic, 19 educational and social levels of residents of 20 economically depressed areas of Hillsborough County, 21 and this is done through creating jobs, providing 22 job training, building community pride, promoting 23 entrepreneurship, revitalizing community areas, and 24 building affordable housing. . 0379 1 Bank of America has supported the 2 revitalization efforts in partnership with our 3 organization for over four years now, and as 4 partners we share the belief that healthy 5 neighborhoods are built upon strong economic and 6 educational opportunities. Bank of America has 7 committed to the development of affordable housing 8 and support services for residents of East Tampa. 9 An example of that would be we are a 10 partner in a Greater Miami neighborhood to build a 11 low-income rental property which has been referred 12 to as a rose in a desert, because it's a first, and 13 it's of high quality. It's an apartment complex 14 that I would want to live in. 15 Bank of America also provides training and 16 technical assistance to our organization. I 17 received my home buyer education and training 18 certification because they sponsored and they 19 continue to sponsor a lot of our luncheons. 20 Practically anything that we venture out to do, they 21 have been very supportive. 22 Bank of America has also been the corporate 23 leader in providing operating grants, donation of 24 furniture, and our corporate office was donated at . 0380 1 that time by NationsBank. 2 The bank understands a key factor in 3 sustaining a productive community is the ability for 4 individuals to build and maintain access. So with 5 this merger, we believe that it will continue to 6 allow Bank of America and Fleet to provide services 7 and funding that will enhance and strengthen the 8 inner city. 9 And in recognition of Bank of America's 10 excellent record of community involvement, ongoing 11 identification of regional needs, and innovative 12 service provisions that have fostered the continued 13 economic growth of both this region and its 14 citizens, the banks have our respect and support. 15 Thank you. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 17 much. 18 We have three minutes for each of you, and 19 we will start with Mr. Bright. 20 MR. BRIGHT: My name is Robert Bright. I'm 21 the founder and President of Talson Solutions, and 22 we're located in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Thank 23 you for this opportunity to express my support for 24 the merger and express my experience as a minority- . 0381 1 owned small disadvantaged business owner. 2 Talson provides construction consulting 3 services to improve the financial control 4 surrounding large capital projects. We perform 5 contract compliance reviews and risk assessments on 6 project management, design and construction 7 contracts. 8 I personally have over two decades of 9 engineering and financial consulting experience. I 10 hold degrees from two of the top universities in 11 engineering and business schools. I actually worked 12 for some of the most respected companies in the 13 United States, Exxon and PricewaterhouseCoopers. 14 I state the former in order to say that I 15 found BOA, Bank of America, to be very professional 16 and receptive of our firm's development. This is 17 especially through their minority supplier 18 development program. As a minority business owner, 19 I am pleased to find aggressive supplier 20 participation targets. More importantly, I am 21 pleased to be in a position through Talson to verify 22 the enforcement mechanism that hits the bottom line 23 for many design firms and general contractors. 24 I found many majority general contractors . 0382 1 were initially surprised by Bank of America's 2 commitment and compliance to supplier diversity. 3 But once again, they only recognize that their 4 commitment is the only way of doing business with 5 the Bank of America. 6 After working with Bank of America for the 7 past five months, the bank and I are now exploring 8 opportunities for long-term growth for Talson, and 9 because of my firm's success, since its inception in 10 2001, I have not had the need to consider a small 11 business loan. However, I cannot ignore the bank's 12 commitment to small business should the need arise. 13 I wish to reiterate that I support the 14 merger and anticipate greater opportunities for 15 minority-owned businesses with the bank merger. 16 Thank you. 17 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 18 Mr. Torres. 19 MR. TORRES: My name is Felix Torres. I'm 20 the Executive Director of Manchester Neighborhood 21 Housing Services in Manchester, New Hampshire. 22 We're the largest community development corporation 23 in the state. We develop affordable housing for 24 sale or for rent. We have an active home ownership . 0383 1 program which includes counseling, it includes 2 lending, it includes the largest IDA program in the 3 state. 4 We've had a long and very productive 5 relationship with Fleet Bank. They were intimately 6 involved in the founding of our organization over 7 ten years ago. They provided capital to get us 8 started. They provided charitable donations to get 9 us started. They provided human capital in terms of 10 members of the board and volunteers. 11 That relationship has continued over the 12 ten years. And every time there's been a merger -- 13 there's been at least one or two with Fleet -- that 14 commitment has not diminished, it has actually 15 grown. 16 One of the most important things they have 17 done for us is to be willing to take risks with us 18 in many of our deals and many of the things that 19 we're doing. 20 In particular, several years ago we had 68 21 units that were going on the market full of 22 low-income families in the toughest rental market in 23 decades in New Hampshire, and they came up to the 24 plate and gave us the acquisition loan to buy the . 0384 1 properties, an acquisition loan which we 2 incidentally paid back ahead of schedule. And 3 that's the kind of thing that Fleet has done for us. 4 Several years ago, again stepping up to the 5 plate, it was their charitable contributions that 6 enabled the State of New Hampshire to start a home 7 buying network statewide. It was their support that 8 allowed us and other groups throughout the state to 9 provide home buyer counseling throughout the entire 10 state. So time and time again, Fleet has been the 11 catalyst for a lot of the good things that happen in 12 our community. 13 Manchester is a small city, and New 14 Hampshire is a small state, and typically when these 15 mergers happen, people have concerns that the small 16 states will be ignored. In our experience, we have 17 not been ignored by Fleet. We strongly support the 18 merger, and we believe that this combination will 19 provide new resources, a more sophisticated array of 20 products to help the growing needs in our 21 communities. 22 Thank you. 23 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 24 much. . 0385 1 Mr. Ansley. 2 MR. ANSLEY: I am Robert Ansley, President 3 of the Orlando Neighborhood Improvement Corporation, 4 in Orlando, Florida, where the temperature is about 5 75 degrees, but nevertheless I am pleased to be here 6 to speak in favor of our long-time partner, Bank of 7 America, in its merger with FleetBoston. 8 The ONIC, as we are called, is a nonprofit 9 developer of affordable housing in the Orlando 10 metropolitan area, and we were formed in 1985. Bank 11 of America and its predecessors, NationsBank and 12 Barnett Bank, have been a partner with ONIC in three 13 ways. 14 Since our founding, Bank of America has 15 been represented on our Board of Directors 16 continuously. Secondly, ONIC has received modest 17 grants for operating support from the Bank of 18 America Foundation over the last few years. But 19 most important is the participation and the support 20 of Bank of America in our production of affordable 21 housing. 22 Since 1989 ONIC has developed or in some 23 cases co-developed 16 communities totaling over 24 2,000 units. In ten of those, with over 1500 units, . 0386 1 Bank of America has been a lender or investor. The 2 most dramatic of these is City View at Hughes 3 Square. 4 In 1999 ONIC had an opportunity to control 5 four vacant acres in part of downtown Orlando where 6 the census tract data at this location listed the 7 median household income as 37 percent of the 8 area-wide median. To accomplish our vision of a 9 significant mixed-income, mixed-use investment, we 10 needed a partner with horsepower and experience. 11 There was only one organization to call, and that 12 was Bank of America Community Development Banking. 13 We formed a 50-50 partnership, and as a 14 result, in this past November, 2003, the Hughes 15 Square Project opened, the $60 million Hughes Square 16 Project opened, with the following: 266-unit City 17 View Apartments, 107 of which are reserved for 18 households earning less than 60 percent of the area 19 median; 26,000 square feet of neighborhood-oriented 20 shopping; a 1,000-space parking garage; a Bank of 21 America branch; and finally, a 200,000-square-foot 22 national headquarters of Hughes Supply, 23 Incorporated, an Orlando-based company listed in the 24 Fortune 500. . 0387 1 Bank of America invested $9 million of its 2 own money in tax credits and direct at-risk equity 3 at Hughes Square. Needless to say, this development 4 has already become a significant catalyst for 5 revitalization in the downtown Orlando neighborhood. 6 We look forward to the next one. 7 Thank you again for the opportunity to 8 speak. 9 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 10 much. 11 Mr. Place. 12 MR. PLACE: Hello. My name is Joe Place, 13 owner and president of CDS Air Freight. We're 14 located at Washington Dulles International Airport, 15 and our business provides domestic transportation as 16 well as handling import and export shipments from 17 Washington Dulles. 18 Bank of America has had a positive impact 19 on the growth and success of my business, and 20 therefore I am here today in support of the merger. 21 My business relationship with Bank of America began 22 in 1996. Bank of America was able to provide CDS, 23 when other institutions would not, a line of credit 24 that enabled us to manage our cash flow during our . 0388 1 critical period of growth. 2 CDS has a fleet of trucks that was 3 originally financed with high-rate leasing 4 companies, high-interest-rate leasing companies, and 5 Bank of America was able to refinance at a lower 6 rate by actually half. This better ensured our 7 existence and future growth. 8 With the help of Bank of America in 1999, I 9 created another company named Global Solutions 10 Associates. We hire individuals who work as 11 government contractors. We provide both services 12 and product to the government. Bank of America 13 provided GSA, Global Solutions Associates, also a 14 line of credit. That enabled us to manage our cash 15 flow and our growth, which was very critical for 16 being awarded government contracts. 17 With the help of Bank of America in 2000, I 18 began another small company named JP Charters, 19 Incorporated. Bank of America was able to offer the 20 most competitive rate and terms on the purchase of a 21 very large asset. This asset is what generates the 22 revenue and hires the employees to operate and 23 maintain the company. 24 Most recently, in 2003, I purchased a . 0389 1 commercial building. The relationship between Bank 2 of America and the Small Business Administration 3 made this possible. Bank of America was 4 instrumental in facilitating the paperwork needed to 5 close the deal with the Small Business 6 Administration. Bank of America again was able to 7 offer the most competitive rate terms. This recent 8 acquisition will enable me to expand my business and 9 hire more employees. 10 Lastly, and most importantly, throughout my 11 business relationship with Bank of America, I have 12 worked with the same bank representative since 1996. 13 Bank of America has served me well as a small 14 business owner, and I thank you for listening and 15 considering my experience with Bank of America. 16 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 17 MR. WHELAN: My name is Joe Whelan. I'm 18 the Executive Director of St. Joseph's Carpenter 19 Society. We are a 501(c)(3) neighborhood CDC 20 located in Camden, New Jersey. Our focus is to 21 provide home ownership housing, thereby increasing 22 the wealth of people who are relatively poor, by 23 increasing real estate values through investment 24 over time. . 0390 1 We do that through a three-pronged 2 approach. That consists of education, quality 3 construction, and community organizing. 4 Camden, for those who don't know, is always 5 among the poorer cities of the country when those 6 cities are ranked. We are directly across the 7 Delaware River from Philadelphia. We're a city of 8 80,000, we have no middle-income neighborhoods, and 9 until recently we hadn't seen improvement in the 10 public high school dropout rate in years, and it 11 recently went below 50 percent for the first time in 12 quite some period. 13 Unemployment is usually three times the 14 national average, and infant mortality rates are 15 higher than many third-world countries. So that 16 just paints a picture of a place where many see 17 reasons for disinvestment, but Fleet has not. 18 New Jersey is an interesting place. It's 19 got about a quarter of the 25 wealthiest counties in 20 the country, while at the same time we have Newark 21 and Camden who are in great need of investment. We 22 have dozens of other small cities that have been 23 disinvested for decades. 24 And now Fleet's role. Fleet's role with . 0391 1 the Carpenter Society has been the -- they have been 2 the only bank who in our 20-year history have 3 consistently been at our side to respond to our 4 call. Other banks are in and out depending on what 5 their needs may be, but Fleet and its predecessors 6 have always been there for us. They have made loans 7 and lines available to our organization. They have 8 provided residential mortgages. 9 We are currently in the middle of a 10 520-unit project. If I presented 100 homes that 11 were completed with home buyers, I'll tell you today 12 that Fleet will do at least half of the residential 13 mortgages. Such is our relationship with them, in a 14 place that's as broken as Camden. 15 They do those residential mortgages with 16 discounted rates and with underwriting that truly 17 understands the marketplace. They serve on our 18 Board of Trustees. They have provided grants for 19 our educational programs and much more support in 20 in-kind contributions and donations of time. 21 When I look to the future now, upon this 22 merger announcement, I look at Bank of America as an 23 unknown. I was enthused to hear some of the 24 testimony today. I would encourage Bank of America . 0392 1 to fulfill the Fleet agreement currently in place -- 2 I understand they will in New Jersey -- and then 3 renew it. 4 And I want to conclude by saying I 5 respectfully disagree with an earlier witness who 6 indicated bigger is not better. Bigger can be 7 better if you understand your market needs and 8 respond to them appropriately, as Fleet has done. I 9 believe Bank of America will do that, and I support 10 this merger application. 11 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 12 Mr. Owens. 13 MR. OWENS: Good evening. My name is 14 Edward Owens. I'm President and CEO of the Owens 15 Companies of Everett, Mass. Owens Companies is 16 comprised of two companies, a management company 17 that controls about 200,000 square feet, but Owens 18 Companies was also founded by my dad in 1927, Owens 19 Movers. 20 We're the oldest minority firm in New 21 England. We employ over 60 union movers in the 22 Boston area. 95 percent of our employees are 23 minorities. We put about $2 million of payroll, 24 health and welfare into the Roxbury and Dorchester . 0393 1 communities. 2 When I say "we," I mean Owens Movers and 3 FleetBoston partnering through their minority 4 supplier development program. It really is. It has 5 been this way for over -- the last time I was here, 6 I was at the Bank of Boston/Fleet merger, and I had 7 very much concern about that last merger. 8 But the thing that renewed my faith was 9 Bank of Boston, Chad Gifford, people like Chad, 10 people like Gail Snowden. I've been with the bank. 11 I was one of the first minority vendors that Bank of 12 Boston had. It was known as a Brahmin bank, the 13 First National Bank, and I've seen the changes. 14 Ira Stepanian was the CEO at that time, 15 with CRA. And the bank had a culture, and that 16 culture was to be fair. And when the merger came 17 for Fleet Bank, I was very much concerned, because 18 Fleet really didn't have that positive input in the 19 community at the time. 20 But over a period of time, I've learned 21 that Fleet Bank is a great bank. It's been great to 22 over 60 families that work for me. It's given us an 23 opportunity. We were one of the first ones that got 24 a contract with them. It has renewed my faith in . 0394 1 what everything that Chad Gifford said, he did. The 2 commitment that he made with Terry Murray, they did. 3 I'm here today to say that I believe, if 4 Chad Gifford says that this is good for the region, 5 for New England, it's good for me, it's good for 6 minority enterprise, because if there was a Hall of 7 Fame of CEOs, Chad would be number one. He is the 8 guy. 9 I know it took a great deal of pain to 10 merge this with Bank of America, because of the 11 unknown, but I think that with the strength that 12 Bank of America can come with Fleet Bank and the 13 type of person that Ken Lewis is, I have great faith 14 in Bank of America. 15 That's what I'm here to say, as the oldest 16 minority business in New England, one of the first 17 companies to ever do business with a bank in this 18 city, and we presently are enjoying that business. 19 We've done warehousing and distribution for the bank 20 for a number of years, and it's given my company 21 great credibility as far as to do business with a 22 bank. 23 Willie Sutton says, "I rob banks because 24 that's where the money is." For us, it was a . 0395 1 position that we want to do business with banks 2 because that's where the credibility is. For a 3 minority business, credibility is everything. 4 They gave us that opportunity. We're still 5 enjoying that business with them now, and that's why 6 we are very happy to support this merger. For all 7 of the families of Owens Movers, I want to thank you 8 very much, and I'm glad to be here today. 9 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 10 much, all of you, for being here this afternoon. 11 Welcome to the last panel. We're in the 12 three-minute time frame. 13 MS. CRUISE: Good evening. My name is 14 Armentha Cruise. I am the President and CEO of The 15 Aspen Group. Aspen is a full-service human 16 resources management and staffing company, 17 headquartered in Silver Springs, Maryland. We are a 18 minority-woman-owned company, and we have been in 19 business for 15 years. 20 I am pleased to have the opportunity to 21 speak in support of the Bank of America and 22 FleetBoston merger. As a long-term Bank of America 23 customer and a Bank of America contractor, I can 24 provide testimony based on -- I will provide . 0396 1 testimony based on my own personal experience. 2 Bank of America has contributed to Aspen's 3 extraordinary growth by providing access to capital 4 with low interest rates and excellent terms and 5 conditions on our loans. 6 As our company has grown over the years, 7 Bank of America has supported and funded that growth 8 by increasing our lines of credit as needed. The 9 relationship with Bank of America has been an 10 excellent one. I have received outstanding support, 11 guidance and services. 12 Equally important, Bank of America has also 13 supported Aspen's growth over the last 12 years by 14 allowing us to serve as a contractor. Now, when I 15 say "Bank of America," I'm also speaking of its 16 predecessors as well. 17 It is very difficult for a small minority- 18 woman-owned business to win major contracts, 19 especially the magnitude of Bank of America. 20 However, I'm pleased to say that our company, Aspen, 21 has provided staffing support to Bank of America and 22 its predecessors since 1992. We started out by 23 providing these services locally in the Washington 24 metropolitan area, and today those services have . 0397 1 expanded to a national managed services contract 2 award. 3 This is extremely significant and very 4 impactful for our company, because what it does, it 5 pretty much positions us -- it does position us for 6 future growth and viability in the marketplace, 7 because it's a very, very competitive market. And 8 what this contract does, it certainly makes us a 9 major force in the marketplace. 10 With this major contract award from Bank of 11 America, I know that they've demonstrated their 12 commitment to minority and women-owned businesses 13 and small businesses. Because of Bank of America's 14 overall support for our company, Aspen, we are now a 15 national and international company. 16 It is my belief that this merger will be 17 very significant in allowing for further growth and 18 an expansion of opportunities in the marketplace for 19 women and minorities and small companies, as it has 20 done for Aspen. Thank you very much. 21 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 22 We'll go to Pastor Dewberry. 23 PASTOR DEWBERRY: Good evening. My name is 24 Ronald B. Dewberry. I'm the Senior Pastor and . 0398 1 Founder of New Life Community Church in Syracuse, 2 New York. I'm here this evening to express my 3 support, which I believe is the sentiments of many 4 of those who are familiar with the very fine work 5 that Fleet Bank has done in the Syracuse area. 6 Like many urban cities, Syracuse has 7 experienced its economic difficulties. In the area 8 where I pastor on the South Side of Syracuse is an 9 area that is certainly most hard hit as far as 10 minority home ownership and things of that nature. 11 But I am proud to say that we have an 12 agency there by the name of United Neighborhoods, 13 Syracuse United Neighborhoods, which is involved 14 with monitoring lending institutions and their 15 practices as far as home mortgages. And last year, 16 or should I say in 2002, the United Neighborhoods, 17 they had recognized Fleet Bank as being one of the 18 leading mortgage lenders in that ten-census-tract 19 area. 20 So out of all of the potential lenders that 21 might have made a significant impact, Fleet was one 22 of the leading representatives there to assist in 23 that area, giving a little better than a half 24 million dollars. . 0399 1 So I'm here again to express my support for 2 the merger, and I hope that this Committee would 3 give it its strongest consideration. 4 Thank you. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 6 MR. EMBAYE: Good evening. My name is 7 Belay Embaye. And I am the Program Director of the 8 ECDC Enterprise Development Group. I'm happy to be 9 here and support the merger of Bank of America with 10 FleetBoston. 11 We are a nonprofit organization, and we 12 serve minorities in the Washington, D.C., 13 metropolitan area, both as an intermediary of the 14 Small Business Administration, as well as member of 15 the CDFI. Our relation with Bank of America has 16 been fruitful and goes back many years. They 17 supported us in our programs as well as they have 18 given us support in development organization. 19 We have three major programs. One is the 20 micro-enterprise development program. Bank of 21 America gave us a low-interest, long-term loan with 22 $400,000, with which we are able to serve 32 people 23 to start their own business, ranging from $2,000 to 24 $35,000. They also gave us $30,000 as an operating . 0400 1 fund, and both with their loan fund as well as their 2 operating fund, we were able to leverage other 3 sources like from the CDFI. 4 Another program area that we have is car 5 financing. And fortunately, Bank of America, as 6 sympathetic as it is to minorities like us, they 7 lent us $400,000, with which we were able also to 8 leverage another $500,000 from other sources. 9 And the third area where their help has 10 been useful to us is in the area of 11 micro-enterprise -- I mean, IDA program. So far 12 they have serviced more than 400 clients in their 13 banks, waiving all the difficulties, but more 14 importantly, where they have been most useful to us 15 is in lending us $4.7 million to acquire our own 16 building, so that we can expand our services in many 17 areas. 18 Once again, we are very happy with the 19 services that are provided to us by Bank of America, 20 and without their help, I don't think we would have 21 achieved the achievements we have received. So we 22 fully support the merger between Bank of America as 23 well as FleetBoston. 24 Thank you very much. . 0401 1 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 2 much. 3 Ms. Davis. 4 MS. DAVIS: Good afternoon, and happy new 5 year to everybody. My name is Diane Davis, and I'm 6 the Senior Vice-President of Operations for 7 Renaissance Design Build Group of Jacksonville. We 8 are a minority-owned design build firm. Currently 9 we work for a local nonprofit, Oakland Trace 10 Redevelopment Land Corporation. 11 Bank of America Community Development 12 Division has been the lender and partner in 13 rebuilding East Jacksonville with this nonprofit 14 located in the area that is near our newly 15 constructed ballpark and arena in Jacksonville, 16 Florida. By the way, I'm not used to this cold 17 either. 18 Since these homes have been constructed, 19 the property values have appreciated from $72,000 to 20 $85,000, and in a blighted area that's substantial. 21 And this has taken place over a three-year period. 22 With the construction of these homes, we 23 have worked with the construction and permanent loan 24 product offered by Bank of America. . 0402 1 We have found that, in a market where 2 things are generally expected to be difficult and 3 nonexistent, Bank of America has been responsive to 4 this underserved community, funding draws on time. 5 And if we had a process that slowed down at all, we 6 worked on that process together to improve it and/or 7 shorten the period between the next draw or closing 8 where it was required. 9 In addition, I have previously worked with 10 Bank of America and Nations and Barnett Bank. I've 11 been in the building business since 1972. 12 We have utilized their construction loan 13 product, construction permanent loans, acquisition 14 and development loans, and have found the 15 administrative staff, along with the loan officers, 16 to be very knowledgeable, responsive, and helpful, 17 and listening when we needed to make sure that all 18 of our subcontractors were paid on time, closing 19 packages were delivered timely, our agents were 20 given the proper information, and all of it was 21 handled during a reasonable time period. 22 I want to say that I support the merger, 23 and I am sure, with the resources of both of these 24 entities, that they will continue to build . 0403 1 partnerships and relationships with communities in 2 desirable as well as urban areas needing 3 revitalization. 4 I do thank you for allowing me to be here. 5 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 6 much. 7 Ms. Gulley. 8 MS. GULLEY: My name is Isay Gulley. I'm 9 President and CEO of Clearwater Neighborhood Housing 10 Services in the shining city of Clearwater, Florida. 11 It seems like a punishment, when you want 12 to say so much and you have a few minutes to say it, 13 but I'm going to say what I have to say, in the 14 three minutes, and respect the timekeeper. 15 Clearwater Neighborhood Housing Services is 16 a private nonprofit, and it has been in existence 17 for 24 years. I've had the pleasure of working with 18 the organization for 23 of those years. And since 19 my term in office, I have seen many lending 20 institutions come and go, and not many have come and 21 gone and left an imprint in the sand as Bank of 22 America has. 23 Our Clearwater Neighborhood Housing 24 Services, as many of our organizations in our . 0404 1 network, we're nationally chartered. Neighborhood 2 Reinvestment Corporation out of Washington, D.C., is 3 our national partner, and today we have about 235 4 affiliate organizations that are out here in these 5 communities trying to respond to neighborhood 6 revitalization. 7 The organization started up years ago, in 8 the mid-'70s, because of urban renewal. There were 9 so many lenders not loaning into the urban 10 communities, and we had a thing called redlining. 11 Today I'm very proud to say Bank of America 12 has not only talked the talk, they've walked the 13 walk, and Clearwater will never be the same, the 14 City of Clearwater, nor will the county, but 15 primarily our neighborhood in Clearwater known as 16 North Greenwood. 17 The most recent project that we've done 18 with Bank of America is a $14.6 million deal, and 19 it's known as the Greenwood Apartments Redevelopment 20 Project. 21 This project went on to win national 22 recognition from Fannie Mae last year, the Fannie 23 Mae Maxwell Award of Excellence. We had 126 24 organizations nationwide apply for this award, and . 0405 1 we came in first place. That's all because of Bank 2 of America responding to an outcry from the 3 community. 4 This was 192 units of affordable housing, 5 where it was very deplorable. You had people living 6 there with not adequate heating, you still had the 7 old fuel oil heat, you had outdoor clotheslines, you 8 had asbestos, you just had all kinds of conditions. 9 It was shameful that it was allowed to exist. 10 But thanks to Bank of America for 11 responding and partnering with our organization to 12 take the property out of the hands of a slumlord 13 that didn't care. Not only did they partner with us 14 to do that, they are also partnering with affordable 15 housing to do in-fill housing, also purchasing of 16 existing houses, and they have a small business loan 17 program which we're partnering with them also. 18 I can't say enough in three minutes, but 19 all I can say, with this merger, I know Bank of 20 America is doing the right thing, and this will 21 allow it to do even more with the Fleet and Bank of 22 America merger. I strongly support it. 23 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you. 24 Mr. Hamilton. . 0406 1 MR. HAMILTON: Good evening. My name is 2 Samuel C. Hamilton, and I am the Executive Director 3 and CEO of the Hartford Economic Development 4 Corporation and the Greater Hartford Business 5 Development Center located in Hartford, Connecticut. 6 I'm here to speak in favor of the merger of Bank of 7 America and FleetBoston. 8 We are a community development financial 9 institution serving Hartford and 62 of Connecticut's 10 169 towns since 1975. In addition to providing 11 technical assistance and loan packaging for small 12 business start-ups and emerging businesses, we are 13 an alternate lender to small businesses who are 14 unable to qualify for loans through the traditional 15 lending community, either in part or in total. 16 Our firm has packaged more than $150 17 million in loans for micro-entrepreneurs and small 18 businesses since our inception, impacted in excess 19 of 5,000 jobs, assisted a significant number of 20 entrepreneurs and small businesses, averaging more 21 than 450 such contacts per year. 22 Our objective is to incubate the start-up 23 or emerging business to the extent that it can 24 qualify for traditional bank loan programs. Thus we . 0407 1 have a close relationship and a good understanding 2 of the commitment and involvement of traditional 3 lenders to serving this market, especially in the 4 urban center. 5 HEDCo/GHBDC has found FleetBoston to be an 6 extremely active institution in reaching out to 7 assure that access to capital, affordable housing 8 and wealth creation are possible for all, not just a 9 select few. 10 I am constantly amazed that, despite 11 FleetBoston's proactive position and active 12 involvement in their footprint to help make 13 communities more liveable for all, it does not 14 receive the recognition it deserves. Perhaps this 15 is reflective that it's more of a concern to them to 16 do the job than the PR associated with it. 17 The recent Outstanding rating from CRA 18 offers some vindication. FleetBoston is often first 19 to initiate programs to address a community need, 20 with others coming on board at a later time. 21 I find FleetBoston not only talks the talk, 22 but walks the walk, whether it is their 23 establishment of a revolving loan fund totaling 24 $6.2 million, leveraging another $4 million from the . 0408 1 State of Connecticut to provide a revolving loan 2 fund to serve the underserved markets in Hartford, 3 New Britain, Meriden and New Haven, especially in 4 the Hispanic/Latino community, or the significant 5 participation in funding of IDA programs for small 6 business creation and individual wealth creation 7 strategies. 8 FleetBoston's commitment extends to 9 assisting in building capacity of small businesses 10 to manage their affairs, their financial affairs, by 11 funding computer labs, Quickbooks training, and 12 point-of-sale inventory systems. 13 As past chairman of the United Way of the 14 Capital Area, I have had personal experience with 15 FleetBoston's commitment to serve its role as an 16 outstanding corporate citizen. It starts from the 17 top and spreads down throughout the organization. 18 Chandler Howard, Fleet Connecticut President, led a 19 successful campaign this year, despite a sluggish 20 economy. It was his energy and FleetBoston's 21 support that made this happen. 22 As a Director of Neighborhood Support 23 Collaborative and the Local Initiatives Support 24 Corporation, I have personally experienced . 0409 1 tremendous support both in financial and technical 2 assistance provided. 3 In summary, I summarize my remarks by 4 saying, in the case of the Bank of America/ 5 FleetBoston merger, more is better. My firsthand 6 experience with FleetBoston, knowing how they value 7 community and keep their commitments, combined with 8 what I have garnered from my research on Bank of 9 America's track record, I believe the potential for 10 positive impact in the communities to be served by 11 the combined entities is enormous. 12 Thank you. 13 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 14 much. 15 Ms. Kleiman. 16 MS. KLEIMAN: I know you all are just 17 saving the best for last. 18 Honorable Members of the Federal Reserve 19 Bank of Boston and Committee Members, thank you for 20 allowing me to speak this afternoon at this 21 important hearing or the proposed bank merger 22 between Bank of America and Fleet. 23 I am Cathy M. Kleiman, Executive Director 24 of Charleston Affordable Housing, a 501(c)(3) . 0410 1 nonprofit development corporation based in 2 Charleston, South Carolina. I am the founding 3 Executive Director, its first and only Executive 4 Director, and I'm appearing to provide our own 5 nonprofit's positive experience with Bank of 6 America, as well as its predecessor NationsBank, and 7 to give you the State of South Carolina's 8 perspective. 9 I have served on the South Carolina State 10 Fannie Mae Advisory Board and for six years on the 11 Advisory Council of the Federal Home Loan Bank of 12 Atlanta, as well as other regional and advisory 13 commissions. 14 Since Charleston Affordable Housing's 15 inception 13 years ago, Bank of America has 16 supported our efforts to create and produce 17 affordable housing opportunities for low-and- 18 moderate-income families and to build nonprofit 19 capacity throughout the Carolinas. It is only 20 because of their strong commitment to and 21 participation in community development and 22 affordable housing activities in our area that I am 23 appearing today and speaking in favor of the merger. 24 Unlike throughout much of the country, the . 0411 1 development of nonprofit organizations and 2 corporations came slowly in the South. We needed 3 help to develop those community development CDCs and 4 especially in South Carolina to build capacity. 5 Bank of America has worked with nonprofit 6 development organizations to bolster the efforts and 7 the productivity of these organizations. They have 8 also invested in the projects and the programs of 9 those organizations. BOA's support has clearly 10 helped build up the nonprofit affordable housing 11 industry and promoted the successful production and 12 completion of desperately needed housing resources 13 for low-and-moderate-income households. 14 Tremendous resources, financial and human, 15 were needed a decade ago and are still essential 16 today to launch, coordinate and organize the 17 community-based organizations needed to 18 conceptualize, sponsor and develop affordable 19 housing developments and the related community 20 development activities. Resources are also crucial 21 to expand the community and economic development 22 groups, to fund their organization's programs, as 23 well as to actually finance the work needed to 24 implement their activities and projects. . 0412 1 Bank of America's personnel and financial 2 resources have been and still are available to 3 provide technical assistance to the organizations, 4 education to the communities and their residents, 5 execute planning and project sessions, and to 6 finance the greatly needed programs and housing 7 developments throughout the State of South Carolina 8 for low-and-moderate-income citizens, in our cities, 9 counties, and communities. 10 BOA representatives have been actively 11 involved in the creation and financing of affordable 12 housing for over a decade and have always been 13 available to attend any meetings with government 14 entities, boards, investors, neighborhood 15 associations or any local entities. 16 Representatives and employees of the bank 17 participate in all kinds of charitable 18 organizations, and they serve in roles from 19 volunteers to being on boards of directors. They 20 assist us both in our housing development, economic 21 development, as well as all kinds of activities and 22 initiatives on statewide, countywide and local 23 levels. 24 I have submitted testimony to you which . 0413 1 lists tremendous investments they've made throughout 2 the state in bonds and tax credit developments, and 3 I'll let you look at the statistics on your own. 4 Again, thank you, and we strongly support 5 the merger. 6 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 7 much. 8 Now to our last speaker. 9 MR. OGUNDELE: Good evening. My name is 10 Jelili Ogundele from Harlem Park Revitalization 11 Corporation in Baltimore, Maryland. I'm here 12 tonight to support the merger of Bank of America and 13 FleetBoston Bank. 14 Just like in Baltimore years ago we had 15 positive experience with NationsBank merging with 16 Bank of America, we believe this merger of Bank of 17 America and FleetBoston will benefit the state, the 18 communities, and all of the states that these two 19 banks are serving. By combining the assets and the 20 commitment of these two banks, we believe the 21 underserved community will benefit greatly. 22 In Baltimore, as some you might know, Bank 23 of America, through its development banking and also 24 the CDC, have invested a lot of capital in several . 0414 1 communities in Baltimore, especially in Harlem Park, 2 where we are one of lowest income communities of the 3 city, and most banks come and chicken out, they come 4 and go. They make promises on paper; when it's time 5 to make the deal, they're gone, and you know that. 6 Bank of America through NationsBank came to 7 us since 1997, '98. We were able to develop a 8 community improvement plan which is the first ever 9 in the city. Our mayor has adopted this concept and 10 is encouraging all banks to go to some community and 11 partner with local citizen groups to create a vision 12 for the community. 13 This plan took 18 months. As you know, 14 banks don't have the patience, but we were able to 15 convince them that a plan is bigger than a project. 16 Within a plan, you can have several projects that 17 you can implement. 18 This plan focuses on four areas of our 19 community, abandonment of vacant houses, new housing 20 development -- we are used to three-story row houses 21 in Baltimore. Our community wants something new, 22 something like we see in the suburb, which is about 23 a mile from our community. There is an issue of 24 public safety, sanitation and transportation. There . 0415 1 is an issue of new services. 2 This plan after 18 months becomes the 3 people's plan, and that's what we call it. This 4 plan has also stimulated a city-wide planning 5 process for different communities to take action and 6 take responsible for their life. 7 Bank of America through its CDC also was 8 very instrumental in implementation strategy. The 9 focus of the project in Harlem Park was the senior 10 citizen building for 94 units. This is the first 11 new construction in 30 years in our community. 12 What is good about this project, it's got 13 pharmacy, the only pharmacy left in the 'hood. 14 Also, it's going to have a restaurant, the only 15 restaurant in the 'hood, serving five or six 16 communities. Also it will have a doctor's office, 17 the only doctor's office, probably a general 18 practitioner, that will serve about five or six 19 communities. This one project itself is stimulating 20 a lot of reinvestment in the community. 21 There will be a Phase II for this project. 22 The Phase II is the home ownership project for 160 23 units, which will be low-to-moderate-income 24 families, creating a mixed-income community in a . 0416 1 community where no one had thought anything is 2 possible. 3 We're here tonight to support this merger. 4 We think it's good for our community, and we believe 5 the community of Bank of America will continue to 6 grow. Thank you. 7 PRESIDING OFFICER SMITH: Thank you very 8 much. I thank everyone who presented testimony at 9 this public meeting. I thank you on behalf of the 10 panel here today and on behalf of the Federal 11 Reserve more generally. 12 It has taken a lot of patience on your 13 part, and on the part of panels already gone, to 14 abide by or try to abide by the time constraints 15 which we did find it necessary to impose. But it's 16 been an important meeting to obtain views both for 17 and against the merger, and we, again, thank you. 18 I also take this opportunity to thank the 19 Federal Reserve Bank of Boston for hosting the 20 meeting, and for all of the effort that went into 21 making sure that everything is fine. 22 This is the end of the panels. We had an 23 open mike. We have two people signed up. I have 24 Mr. James Carter and Archbishop Timothy Paul Bayman. . 0417 1 Are you in the room? (No response) 2 Do you think they might be waiting for 3 6:35? Probably not. Well, we'll be around here, so 4 if they do show up, we'll give them a private public 5 meeting. 6 So with that, we are adjourned, and thank 7 you all again very much. 8 (Whereupon the hearing was 9 adjourned at 6:15 p.m.) 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 . 0418 1 I N D E X 2 SPEAKER: PAGE 3 Charles Gifford 6 4 Kenneth D. Lewis 15 5 Barney Frank 30 6 Joseph Kriesberg 40 7 Gail Lattimore 43 8 Richard Thal 46 9 Jennifer Van Campen 48 10 Robert Van Meter 50 11 John Waite 54 12 Jeffrey Sanchez 58 13 Vincent Fort 62 14 Derrick Boazman 65 15 Dianne Wilkerson 69 16 Richard Blumenthal 78 17 John W. Fonfara 83 18 Patrick L. McCrory 87 19 Michael McMahon 92 20 William Wainwright 95 21 E.G. Ned Fowler 99 22 Richard Brown 102 23 Brenda J. Clement 105 24 Juan Cofield 108 . 0419 1 I N D E X (Continued) 2 SPEAKER: PAGE 3 Nadine Cohen 112 4 Hillary Pizer 117 5 Harmon Hamilton 120 6 Roberto Miranda 122 7 George Butts 125 8 Maude Hurd 128 9 James G. Hagan 131 10 Sarah Gerecke 134 11 Stephen Schley 137 12 Mike Servais 139 13 Sister Mary Bourdon 142 14 William Guenther 144 15 Bruce Marks 148 16 Steven Fishback 153 17 Kirsten Keefe 156 18 Louise McNeilly 161 19 Phyllis Salowe-Kaye 166 20 Tanya Wolfram 170 21 Lee Beaulac 173 22 Ruhi Maker 178 23 Meizhu Lui 183 24 Rev. Al Sampson 186 . 0420 1 I N D E X (Continued) 2 SPEAKER: PAGE 3 Richard E. Barber 190 4 Deadria C. Farmer-Paellmann 198 5 Isidio Farash 204 6 Ramkrishna Tare 207 7 Bill Edwards 212 8 Daniel J. Forte 218 9 Joseph E. Washington 223 10 Lauren Compere 227 11 F. Barton Harvey, III 231 12 Charles Stith 235 13 Paul Guzzi 237 14 Dewitt Jones 239 15 Ronald L. Phillips 244 16 John Taylor 250 17 John Anderson 259 18 Andrea Psoras 263 19 Chris Cole 270 20 Richard Marsico 273 for James T. Campen 21 F. Patricia Callahan 277 22 Al Ku'ahi Wong 282 23 Joseph Coleman 286 24 . 0421 1 I N D E X (Continued) 2 SPEAKER: PAGE 3 Ruhi Maker 290 4 Richard Marsico 294 5 Lisa Richter 298 6 Conrad Egan 303 7 Ramon Flores 306 8 Peter A. Gagliardi 309 9 Angel Sierra 312 10 George K. Rothman 315 11 Elaine Miceli-Vasquez 319 12 Erwin Vasquez, M.D. 323 13 Lisa B. Alberghini 326 14 Bruce Gunter 331 15 Stuart T. Arnett 335 16 Jennie Greene 337 17 Chris Kreymeyer 341 18 Paul S. Grogan 345 19 Anne S. Habiby 347 20 Stephen H. O'Connor 351 21 Henry M. Thomas, III 355 22 Michael Brown 358 23 Michael Rubinger 361 24 Jeff Nugent 364 . 0422 1 I N D E X (Continued) 2 SPEAKER: PAGE 3 Fred Banuelos 366 4 Russell A. Sibley, Jr. 368 5 Mark Pinsky 371 6 Jeff Foss 374 7 David Umansky 376 8 Grace Miranda 378 9 Robert S. Bright 380 10 Felix M. Torres 382 11 Robert E. Ansley, Jr. 385 12 Joseph J. Place 387 13 William F. Whelan 389 14 Edward Owens 392 15 Armentha Cruise 395 16 Pastor Ronald B. Dewberry 397 17 Belay Embaye 399 18 C. Diane Davis 401 19 Isay M. Gulley 403 20 Samuel C. Hamilton 406 21 Cathy M. Kleiman 409 22 Jelili Ogundele 413 23 * * * * 24 . 0423 1 C E R T I F I C A T E We, Jane M. Williamson, Registered Merit 2 Reporter, and Carol H. Kusinitz, Registered Professional Reporter, do hereby certify that the 3 foregoing transcript, Volume I, is a true and accurate transcription of our stenographic notes 4 taken on Wednesday, January 14, 2004. 5 6 ________________________ Jane M. Williamson, RMR 7 8 9 ________________________ 10 Carol H. Kusinitz, RPR 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24
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