Public Meeting Regarding Norwest Corporation and Wells Fargo & Company
Thursday, September 17, 1998
Transcript of Panel Six
121 15 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Thank you. If there 11:53:16 16 are no questions, then we thank you again for being 11:53:16 17 here this morning, and we'll move on to the next 11:53:20 18 panel, which is Panel 6. We'll start with 11:53:22 19 Mr. Brantley. 11:54:02 20 21 MR. BRANTLEY: Thank you, Madame Chair. 11:54:06 22 I'd like to take this opportunity to express my 11:54:10 23 appreciation on behalf of the metropolitan Denver 11:54:12 24 community to testify before the Federal Reserve in 11:54:16 25 regards to the merger between Norwest and Wells 11:54:18 122 1 Fargo. 11:54:22 2 I'd like to start off by saying not only do I 11:54:24 3 express my appreciation to the Federal Reserve 11:54:26 4 panel, but I'd like to express my appreciation to 11:54:30 5 those individuals who have testified as well. And I 11:54:32 6 have to share with you that based upon that 11:54:34 7 testimony, my testimony has changed somewhat. And I 11:54:36 8 think that certainly what I'll be taking back to my 11:54:40 9 community will reflect some of those changes. I 11:54:44 10 really do feel that individuals who come and 11:54:48 11 participate in testimony such as this should not 11:54:52 12 only testify but should listen very carefully to the 11:54:56 13 individuals who are bringing information to share 11:54:58 14 with them. I have heard some outstanding, 11:55:00 15 outstanding comments that I think will benefit my 11:55:04 16 community and certainly plan to take it back to the 11:55:08 17 metropolitan Denver community for hopefully sharing, 11:55:10 18 and even more so, implementation. But I've also 11:55:14 19 heard some concerns, some concerns that I hadn't 11:55:18 20 heard before, and I need to share with you that 11:55:22 21 basically I will also be addressing those concerns 11:55:24 22 as I go back to my community. 11:55:28 23 First of all, let me share with you, though, 11:55:30 24 some of the very basic things that I had prior to 11:55:32 25 hearing some of the comments today. I really do 11:55:34 123 1 feel that one of the primary factors of business 11:55:36 2 mergers and concepts related to concepts of business 11:55:40 3 within our community relate to the quality of life. 11:55:44 4 I have to share with you that in the Denver 11:55:46 5 metropolitan community, I feel that we have an 11:55:48 6 outstanding quality of life. The individuals that 11:55:52 7 will also be sharing some of our comments related to 11:55:54 8 our community, I think, are enviable throughout the 11:55:58 9 rest of the country. The quality of life is 11:56:02 10 extremely important to me and, I'm sure, to you. As 11:56:04 11 we move throughout this community, as we take jobs 11:56:08 12 and as we raise families, one of the primary things 11:56:10 13 that we're looking for is an increase in the quality 11:56:12 14 of life for our children and for our families. 11:56:14 15 In relationship to quality of life, quality of 11:56:18 16 life relates to the participation of individuals, 11:56:20 17 those individuals who are in the three sectors of 11:56:24 18 our economy. We have the private sector, we have 11:56:28 19 the governmental sector, and we have the nonprofit 11:56:30 20 sector. 21 I represent the nonprofit sector. I'm 11:56:34 22 executive director of a private, nonprofit 11:56:36 23 organization serving children within the 11:56:40 24 metropolitan Denver area. We have been very 11:56:42 25 fortunate over the past several years to have the 11:56:44 124 1 involvement of Norwest Bank within the development 11:56:48 2 of our programs in early childhood education. We 11:56:50 3 have started some new programs within our 11:56:54 4 metropolitan area. One of them which our agency has 11:56:56 5 initiated has been one which seeks out gifted 11:57:00 6 children within the inner city. 11:57:02 7 I have to share with you a very small, almost 11:57:04 8 joke, but it's not a joke. When we first started 11:57:08 9 looking for supporters of this program and shared 11:57:10 10 with a couple of potential funders that we were 11:57:14 11 looking for support for children -- for our program 11:57:16 12 for gifted children within the inner city, one of 11:57:20 13 our potential funders said, where do you expect to 11:57:22 14 find them? I asked the gentleman to leave my office 11:57:24 15 because our discussion was over at that time. 11:57:28 16 I think that -- that certainly, you know, the 11:57:30 17 attitude that came forth from our Norwest Bank 11:57:34 18 community was much, much different, and certainly 11:57:36 19 exemplifies the concept of support that we have 11:57:40 20 received for new projects and programs like our 11:57:44 21 program for inner city gifted children. 11:57:46 22 Once we heard the concept about the 11:57:50 23 presentation to be shared with you today, we began 11:57:54 24 to look at what CRA was specifically looking for. 11:57:56 25 We heard the concepts of lending, we heard the 11:57:58 125 1 concepts of investment, and we heard the concepts of 11:58:02 2 service. 11:58:04 3 One of the things that has changed today that I 11:58:06 4 will certainly be going back to my community will be 11:58:08 5 looking at the concept of lending. I have heard 11:58:10 6 some very, very disturbing concepts in regards to 11:58:14 7 lending, and I think that basically there is a 11:58:16 8 concept of CRA that not only relates to the business 11:58:18 9 community, there's a concept of CRA that relates 11:58:22 10 back to individuals, and that is community 11:58:24 11 responsibility activities. And that will be the CRA 11:58:28 12 that I'll be taking back to our community because I 11:58:32 13 think that if indeed there are responsibilities and 11:58:34 14 concerns related to lending, then I feel that we 11:58:38 15 have a responsible role to play in that. 11:58:40 16 The second is investment. You've heard and 11:58:44 17 reviewed some outstanding statistical numbers 11:58:48 18 related to investment. And to be very frank with 11:58:52 19 you, that's what I was going to share with you 11:58:54 20 today, too, statistical numbers, but they were 11:58:56 21 certainly outclassed by the individuals that are 11:58:58 22 represented to you today in the formal documentation 11:59:02 23 that you've received from both major CEOs of these 11:59:04 24 corporations. But, indeed, within our community I 11:59:08 25 think that investment with the community has not 11:59:10 126 1 only meant dollar and cent investment; it has meant 11:59:12 2 the investment of the time and effort of the 11:59:16 3 individuals within our community. 11:59:18 4 Our organization is a very small organization 11:59:22 5 in comparison to many of the others in our 11:59:24 6 community, and I think that was one of the reasons 11:59:26 7 that I was asked to come and present to you today. 11:59:28 8 But in the relationship to it being a small 11:59:32 9 organization, I can list for you outstanding members 11:59:34 10 of our community, such as John Nelson, David Bailey, 11:59:38 11 David Jones, Chuck Henderson, Patricia Cortez, who 11:59:42 12 have been outstanding members of our community and 11:59:46 13 have served our community and the community has 11:59:48 14 benefited from it, thus improving our quality of 11:59:52 15 life. And it is with those concepts in mind that I 11:59:54 16 support the merger between the Norwest Bank and 11:59:58 17 Wells Fargo. Thank you very much. 12:00:00 18 19 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Thank you. 12:00:02 20 Mr. Garcia. 12:00:02 21 22 MR. GARCIA: My name is Pete Garcia. I'm 12:00:04 23 the president of Chicanos Por la Causa in Phoenix. 12:00:06 24 We're a state-wide community development corporation 12:00:08 25 having 46 offices in 22 cities, and we see over 12:00:12 127 1 66,000 people annually. There are over one million 12:00:16 2 Hispanics in Arizona that we consider ourselves to 12:00:20 3 be a niche market that both of these institutions 12:00:24 4 are interested in and have been interested. 12:00:26 5 Our organization has had an extensive 12:00:28 6 partnership with Wells Fargo Bank and Norwest Bank. 12:00:32 7 As a personal member of the Norwest Bank Minority 12:00:36 8 Advisory Council, we have provided input and set 12:00:42 9 goals with the other John Campbell from Arizona, and 12:00:44 10 top management on a number of key issues and factors 12:00:48 11 that affect our communities in Arizona. These 12:00:50 12 include mortgages, affordable housing, small 12:00:54 13 business lending, minority contracting, and 12:00:56 14 contracting with vendors. 12:01:00 15 Our small business and S.B.A. micro-loan 12:01:02 16 program have received loan loss reserve funds from 12:01:06 17 Norwest Bank and Wells Fargo Bank, which has helped 12:01:12 18 us lend over $2 million to over 225 companies, small 12:01:14 19 businesses, in Arizona in the last three years. 12:01:18 20 Norwest's deposit and Wells Fargo's $100,000 deposit 12:01:22 21 in our federal credit union has enabled us to lend 12:01:28 22 over $1.7 million to 16 hundred members of our 12:01:34 23 credit union. This is a real interesting concept 12:01:36 24 here of a bank lending to a credit union. 12:01:40 25 Most of these borrowers are first-time 12:01:44 128 1 borrowers and bilingual Spanish speaking. Norwest 12:01:46 2 and Wells Fargo's investment of CPLC small business 12:01:50 3 incubator has started the opportunity for small 12:01:56 4 businesses in south central Phoenix to access 12:01:58 5 affordable work space. A second business incubator 12:02:02 6 in Phoenix is currently under construction, and a 12:02:04 7 rural, small business incubator will go to 12:02:06 8 construction in Nogales, Arizona, along the 12:02:10 9 Arizona/Mexican border in early 1999. 12:02:10 10 Other investments and grants that we have 12:02:14 11 worked with with both institutions have targeted our 12:02:14 12 special events and organizational capacity building 12:02:18 13 in Phoenix and Tucson and other rural communities 12:02:22 14 that we serve. Our affordable housing programs in 12:02:24 15 Somerton, Nogales, Tucson, South Tucson, Guadalupe, 16 and Phoenix have also benefited. We have mortgages, 12:02:30 17 mortgage write-downs for closing costs, funds to 12:02:34 18 make housing affordable, investments of Norwest 12:02:36 19 staff. As board member of the Latino community for 12:02:40 20 Norwest, our organization and our subsidiary, boards 12:02:44 21 also contribute to the sound managements of our 12:02:48 22 organization. 23 Our expanding partnership with Karen Wegman, 12:02:54 24 Alonzo Morale, Edmundo Givalgo, with Wells Fargo 12:02:58 25 Bank has also been rewarding, in many instances very 12:03:00 129 1 creative and challenging, in that they have come to 12:03:02 2 us and asked us what kind of mortgage products do 12:03:04 3 our communities need, what kind of business 12:03:08 4 investments do we need to make our communities work? 12:03:10 5 Our purchase of a Wells Fargo Bank -- yes, we 12:03:14 6 purchased one of your banks in south central Phoenix 12:03:18 7 -- has enabled us to double the space of the Federal 12:03:22 8 Credit Union. We also maintain Wells Fargo as a 12:03:24 9 presence in this particular facility in the Grant 12:03:28 10 Park neighborhood, and it also provides incubator 12:03:30 11 space for small businesses and minority 12:03:34 12 entrepreneurs. 13 Wells Fargo's bank investment of $1,250,000 at 12:03:40 14 zero percent interest for five years with an 12:03:44 15 additional two percent over the next ten years, is 12:03:46 16 way beyond the cutting edge. These are the kind of 12:03:50 17 partnerships that we're interested in developing 12:03:54 18 with both institutions and continuing. This 12:03:56 19 investment expands our ability to lend to 12:03:58 20 micro-borrowers, create a venture capital pool, a 12:04:00 21 revolving line for new construction in Tucson for 12:04:06 22 our for-profit construction company, and it enables 12:04:10 23 us to leverage $600,000 to build a new office 12:04:14 24 building in Tucson and pay off an office complex 12:04:18 25 mortgage in a small rural town in southwestern 12:04:22 130 1 Arizona that leases office space from the state of 12:04:24 2 Arizona. 12:04:28 3 Funding of special projects, community 12:04:28 4 celebrations has made Wells Fargo a new power in the 12:04:32 5 Arizona bank market. Grants to organizations has 12:04:34 6 involved small business lending, social work, arts, 12:04:38 7 that round out a true concept of partnering in our 12:04:40 8 community: not just taking our deposits but actually 12:04:44 9 putting something back. 12:04:48 10 We would point to the exemplary record of staff 12:04:48 11 involvement and outreach in how community 12:04:52 12 reinvestment is truly done in America. Management 12:04:54 13 of both institutions still needs to work on board 12:04:56 14 membership. Upper level executives are still 12:05:00 15 lacking, but through our ongoing efforts, these are 12:05:04 16 problems we can solve together. Branching 12:05:08 17 duplication can be solved through partnership with 12:05:10 18 nonprofits that benefits the total community as well 12:05:12 19 as my first example of the Wells Fargo branch in 12:05:14 20 south central Phoenix. 12:05:16 21 Our community meetings with citizens and 12:05:18 22 organizations, community leaders in the upcoming 12:05:20 23 follow-up meeting state-wide leaves us with a strong 12:05:24 24 indication that more progress will occur with the 12:05:26 25 merged institution, and we encourage your positive 12:05:28 131 1 confirmation of this merger and invite you to visit 12:05:32 2 and seek community reinvestment at work in Arizona. 12:05:34 3 Thank you. 12:05:36 4 5 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Ms. Gold. 6 7 MS. GOLD: My name is Autumn Gold, and I'm 12:05:42 8 from Denver, Colorado. I work for Atlantis 9 Community. I'd just like to thank you for giving me 12:05:48 10 this opportunity to speak today. Atlantis 12:05:50 11 Community, Incorporated is a 23-year old Colorado 12:05:52 12 not-for-profit corporation providing services to 12:05:56 13 people with disabilities in metro Denver, and, when 12:05:58 14 necessary, throughout Colorado. Atlantis services 12:06:04 15 include home health, housing benefits advocacy, 12:06:06 16 independent living skills training, basic education 12:06:10 17 and home ownership counseling and education. 12:06:16 18 Atlantis is recognized nationally for its work in 12:06:16 19 disability rights and for creating new and 12:06:20 20 innovative programs. 12:06:22 21 In 1992, Atlantis Community, Incorporated 12:06:22 22 brought to Norwest Bank a unique concept that became 12:06:26 23 the first home ownership mortgage program for people 12:06:28 24 with disabilities in America. In conjunction with 12:06:32 25 Atlantis, Norwest created the Disability Community 12:06:34 132 1 Home Mortgage Program, known as DCHOP. The DCHOP 12:06:38 2 home mortgage program for people with disabilities 12:06:44 3 was the first to offer an opportunity to participate 12:06:46 4 in the American dream of home ownership. 12:06:48 5 Norwest, at Atlantis's direction, developed a 12:06:50 6 program that accepts alternative income such as 12:06:54 7 social security, food stamps, tax credits, and much 12:06:56 8 more. High debt to income ratios play a large part 12:07:00 9 in success of the program as well as reduced closing 12:07:04 10 costs and only a two percent down payment. 12:07:08 11 The American dream of owning your own home was 12:07:10 12 just that, a dream for people with disabilities, 12:07:12 13 until Norwest introduced the DCHOP program in 1993. 12:07:14 14 Prior to the DCHOP program, people with disabilities 12:07:18 15 and their families' only choice was to rent an 12:07:20 16 apartment or someone else's home. That apartment or 12:07:24 17 home was most likely not accessible, either. With a 12:07:26 18 population that is 80 percent unemployed and living 12:07:30 19 on a fixed income from social security of $700 a 12:07:34 20 month or less, they had little chance to even dream 12:07:36 21 of home ownership. The DCHOP program offers more 12:07:40 22 than just a dream. It offers but does not guarantee 12:07:46 23 the reality of home ownership. People with 12:07:50 24 disabilities still must qualify for a home loan just 12:07:52 25 as everybody else. Norwest simply leveled the 12:07:54 133 1 playing field. 12:07:58 2 Norwest was bold to move to create the 12:07:58 3 Disability Home Ownership Program when no other 12:08:04 4 lending institution had the courage to take the 12:08:06 5 first step. They must be applauded. Had not 12:08:10 6 Norwest taken that step, people with disabilities 12:08:14 7 still today would be excluded from the American 12:08:16 8 dream. Those first steps designed a program that 12:08:18 9 has proved that people with disabilities could be 12:08:22 10 homeowners without high foreclosure rates and 12:08:24 11 without high delinquency rates. The DCHOP program 12:08:28 12 encouraged US Banks to create their Disability 12:08:32 13 Advantage Program because another lending 12:08:36 14 institution, Norwest, had taken the initial risk. 12:08:38 15 Norwest's success with the DCHOP program 12:08:42 16 brought Fannie Mae to Denver to learn about and to 12:08:46 17 study its workings. From that visit came Fannie 12:08:48 18 Mae's home choice program: 16 states, $50 million 12:08:52 19 pilot project modeled after the DCHOP program. 12:08:58 20 Fannie Mae's pilot project and US Bank's Disability 12:09:00 21 Home Advantage Program validates Norwest's wisdom in 12:09:06 22 1992. 12:09:06 23 After five years of providing home ownership 12:09:08 24 counseling, there is no doubt that these potential 12:09:12 25 home buyers have the ability and the desire to own 12:09:14 134 1 homes. Atlantis's home ownership program aspires to 12:09:16 2 increase awareness and availability of home 12:09:22 3 ownership opportunities for people with 12:09:26 4 disabilities. Atlantis's commitment is to assist 12:09:28 5 potential buyers in understanding the complex 12:09:32 6 process by providing them with the information that 12:09:34 7 along with their own determination will prepare them 12:09:38 8 to become homeowners and improve their quality of 12:09:42 9 life, like you said. 12:09:44 10 My goal is to see people feel confident about 12:09:46 11 the home buying process and comfortable with home 12:09:48 12 ownership, comfortable as homeowners armed with the 12:09:52 13 knowledge and empowered to make the important 12:09:54 14 decisions to undertake their responsibility of home 12:09:56 15 ownership. I personally and strongly believe in 12:10:00 16 home ownership counseling and education. And 12:10:02 17 partnered with the DCHOP program, Atlantis and 12:10:04 18 Norwest have pioneered home ownership for 12:10:08 19 individuals with disabilities. 12:10:12 20 It is Atlantis's hope that with the merger of 12:10:12 21 Norwest and Wells Fargo that the commitment to the 12:10:16 22 DCHOP not only continue but the size of the program 12:10:20 23 increase to reflect the size of the merger. To date 12:10:22 24 Norwest has provided 955 mortgages to people with 12:10:24 25 disabilities and families in Colorado, valued in 12:10:30 135 1 excess of $64 million. Norwest has made it possible 12:10:34 2 for people with disabilities to dream the impossible 12:10:38 3 dream of home ownership. Thank you. 12:10:40 4 5 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Thank you. 12:10:42 6 Mr. Jimenez. 12:10:42 7 8 MR. JIMENEZ: Thank you, Governor Smith, 12:10:46 9 Board of Governors, and Federal Reserve staff. My 12:10:50 10 name is Pierre Jimenez. I'm the director of Denver 12:10:52 11 Community Television, but that's not why I'm here 12:10:54 12 today. I was originally solicited to become a 12:10:56 13 member of the Norwest community forum because of my 12:11:00 14 community activism. And when we were coming up in 12:11:02 15 the shuttle today, I felt a sense of ambivalence 12:11:08 16 seeing the demonstrators sitting on the side of the 12:11:10 17 sidewalk, because I think after hearing a lot of the 12:11:14 18 testimony today, you have to give validity to many 12:11:16 19 of the comments that were made, and so I would ask 12:11:18 20 the executives of Norwest and Wells Fargo to please 12:11:22 21 keep in mind what these people are saying because 12:11:24 22 much of this testimony comes from the heart. It's 12:11:28 23 what they believe to be true. Now we can quarrel 12:11:30 24 about the degree and the magnitude, but we can't 12:11:32 25 quarrel about the fact that it exists. Because, for 12:11:36 136 1 example, I can recall back in 1950, my father 12:11:40 2 returned from World War II and decided to become 12:11:44 3 part of the American dream as a Mexican American in 12:11:46 4 Denver, Colorado, first by becoming a licensed 12:11:50 5 electrician, the second one in the state, but more 12:11:54 6 importantly, trying to borrow $10,000 from a bank to 12:11:58 7 build a house, to begin building the foundation of 12:12:00 8 becoming part of the stakeholders in America. He 12:12:04 9 was denied that opportunity. Fortunately for him, 12:12:08 10 he had the opportunity to borrow from friends, and 12:12:10 11 they built this house. 12:12:14 12 In the same spirit that my father built that 12:12:16 13 house back 1950, 48 years ago, we are here today 12:12:20 14 discussing what CRA means to the American public. 12:12:24 15 And at the heart of that is loans to people to 12:12:28 16 become stakeholders in the American dream. 12:12:30 17 Now, it's been my experience with Norwest Banks 12:12:34 18 for the past several years that I've been on the 12:12:36 19 community forum that they have listened, often times 12:12:40 20 not very well, but they have changed their behavior, 12:12:42 21 sometimes reluctantly. And as one of them said, 12:12:46 22 well, if you drag us kicking and screaming into the 12:12:50 23 21st century, maybe it will do some good, and it 12:12:52 24 has, because what it's done, it's created an 12:12:56 25 opportunity for, one, more loans to low to moderate 12:13:00 137 1 income families seeking loans for mortgages since 12:13:04 2 I've been on the forum. 12:13:06 3 Secondly, what it's done is gone into other 12:13:08 4 areas where traditional banks have refused to go. 12:13:12 5 Several years ago we talked about a concept of urban 12:13:14 6 banking, which was creating branches, either loan 12:13:18 7 offices or full service branches, in inner city 12:13:22 8 neighborhoods. Some in the banking community said 12:13:28 9 it won't work. Poor people don't take advantage of 12:13:30 10 banking services or products. Well, today the 12:13:34 11 bottom line is -- and that's why we're here -- the 12:13:36 12 bottom line is banks are in the business to make 12:13:40 13 money. We know that, we're not going to argue that 12:13:42 14 point, but the fact of the matter is in Denver, 12:13:46 15 Colorado, they are making money in the inner city, 12:13:50 16 and they're meeting their bottom line. And when you 12:13:52 17 meet your bottom line that means then you can move 12:13:54 18 on to other areas. So they've expanded loans to 12:13:56 19 small businesses, and I speak specifically about 12:14:00 20 people of color. 12:14:02 21 Beyond that, they're taking a look now about 12:14:04 22 micro loans, smaller amounts to people who really 12:14:06 23 have an idea. The concept of entrepreneurship, 12:14:10 24 especially in the Latino community, is huge. What 12:14:16 25 they need is the opportunity to find a way to make 12:14:20 138 1 it happen. Norwest Banks in Denver is making that 12:14:22 2 happen. 12:14:26 3 Now you had an earlier speaker that talked 12:14:26 4 about how wonderful Wells Fargo was, and they may 12:14:28 5 be. You know, the agreements to provide billions of 12:14:34 6 dollars of loans to people of color I think is 12:14:34 7 important. At the same time, let's not forget that 12:14:38 8 banking is more about personal relationships than 12:14:40 9 products or services. It's about the one-to-one 12:14:44 10 personal contact. I really don't care if the bank 12:14:50 11 president comes down to greet me in the lobby. 12:14:52 12 However, I do care if somebody treats me with 12:14:54 13 dignity and respect as an individual, and I think 12:14:58 14 the people that I represent or that I consider to be 12:15:02 15 constituents are those type of individuals. 12:15:06 16 Otherwise, one fourth of the American public would 12:15:08 17 be taking advantage of banking services. 12:15:12 18 So I would say to you at the point in this 12:15:14 19 discussion that we asked about this merger, I would 12:15:16 20 have us keep in mind if we're providing a service to 12:15:20 21 the American public that will make us a stronger 12:15:24 22 country and still meet the bottom line, then let's 12:15:26 23 add that final bid of compassion that people talked 12:15:30 24 about earlier and will talk about this afternoon so 12:15:34 25 that we can become the country that we have always 12:15:38 139 1 been and can become even greater than we know. 12:15:40 2 Thank you. 12:15:44 3 4 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Thank you. We'll go 12:15:46 5 to Ms. Tingerthal. 12:15:46 6 7 MS. TINGERTHAL: That's correct. Thank 12:15:50 8 you. 12:15:50 9 Good afternoon. My name is Mary Tingerthal, 12:15:50 10 and I'm the president and chief executive officer of 12:15:52 11 the National Equity Fund, commonly referred to as 12:15:56 12 NEF. I'm also here speaking on behalf of National 12:16:00 13 Equity Fund's parent organization, the Local 12:16:02 14 Initiatives Support Corporation, commonly referred 12:16:06 15 to as LISC. 12:16:08 16 To understand our long-term relationship with 12:16:10 17 Wells Fargo and Norwest, let me first explain who 12:16:14 18 LISC and NEF are. LISC is the nation's largest 12:16:18 19 community development intermediary and is a 12:16:22 20 certified community development financial 12:16:24 21 institution. In that role LISC often serves as an 12:16:26 22 intermediary for banks like Norwest and Wells Fargo 12:16:30 23 to invest in low income communities. 12:16:32 24 Since its founding 19 years ago, LISC has 12:16:36 25 helped nearly 18 hundred community development 12:16:38 140 1 corporations, like many of those that you've heard 12:16:42 2 from today, in more than a hundred cities and rural 12:16:44 3 areas across 39 states and Puerto Rico. In this 12:16:48 4 work, LISC has attracted the support of almost 2,000 12:16:50 5 donors and investors, including Norwest and Wells 12:16:56 6 Fargo. 12:17:00 7 Through that support, LISC has raised $3.1 12:17:00 8 billion in grants, loans, and equity investments, 12:17:06 9 and an additional $3.5 billion of public and private 12:17:08 10 support has been leveraged by those dollars. That's 12:17:12 11 meant 80,000 affordable homes and over 12 million 12:17:14 12 square feet of community facilities, commercial and 12:17:18 13 industrial space. 12:17:22 14 Both Norwest and Wells Fargo have been 12:17:24 15 instrumental in their support of LISC in bringing 12:17:26 16 about revitalized neighborhoods in the cities where 12:17:28 17 they operate by working with LISC and NEF. NEF is 12:17:32 18 the largest nonprofit syndicator of the federal 12:17:38 19 government's low income housing tax credits. 12:17:40 20 For 11 years now we've used that program to 12:17:44 21 stimulate investment in affordable housing built and 12:17:46 22 operated exclusively by nonprofit organizations that 12:17:50 23 work exclusively within their communities. 12:17:54 24 To date, we've raised nearly $2 1/2 billion 12:17:56 25 from 140 investors, which has resulted in over 12:18:00 141 1 44,000 rental homes targeted to low income families. 12:18:04 2 LISC and NEF are national organizations, but we 12:18:10 3 operate very much on a local level, and we rely on 12:18:14 4 local decision-making and local leadership such as 12:18:18 5 that that's been provided by numerous individuals in 12:18:22 6 our local programs by executives from Wells Fargo 12:18:26 7 and Norwest. 12:18:30 8 I can point to Norwest and Wells Fargo being 12:18:32 9 instrumental in community development because of 12:18:34 10 their historical core contributions to LISC and 12:18:36 11 their continuing investments in NEF, as well as 12:18:40 12 their long-term active involvement in the local 12:18:44 13 communities on a first-hand basis. 12:18:48 14 From 1989 through today, Norwest has invested 12:18:52 15 almost $14 1/2 million in LISC and NEF, with $14 12:18:56 16 million of that being NEF investments since 1990, 12:19:00 17 and about 350,000 in grants to LISC since 1989, 12:19:04 18 which supports six of our local programs, in 12:19:10 19 Minneapolis, Duluth, Las Vegas, Milwaukee, Phoenix 12:19:14 20 and St. Paul. 12:19:18 21 From 1983 through today, Wells Fargo Bank has 12:19:20 22 invested over $120 million with LISC and NEF. This 12:19:24 23 total includes approximately $117 million in equity 12:19:30 24 investments in our national fund and our California 12:19:34 25 fund, with Wells Fargo serving as one of our very 12:19:38 142 1 first investors when the low income housing tax 12:19:42 2 credit was created. It also includes almost $3 12:19:46 3 million in grants to LISC since 1983, which supports 12:19:48 4 seven local programs, which include the San 12:19:54 5 Francisco bay area, Houston, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, 12:19:56 6 again Phoenix, San Diego, and Puget Sound, as well 12:20:00 7 as LISC's national rural program. 12:20:06 8 The financial support from Norwest and Wells 12:20:10 9 Fargo over the years has been matched in many places 12:20:14 10 by the people leadership as bank executives serve on 12:20:16 11 our advisory committees in eight of our local 12:20:20 12 programs and also with our rural LISC program. 12:20:24 13 I heard a comment earlier today from someone 12:20:28 14 indicating that they were disappointed at the use of 12:20:30 15 intermediaries by these banks in providing services, 12:20:34 16 particularly in rural areas. I can understand that 12:20:36 17 there's some disappointment at the loss of banking 12:20:40 18 presence, but I do applaud these organizations for 12:20:44 19 reaching out in ways that may be unconventional to 12:20:46 20 continue to serve these important organizations. 12:20:50 21 We do urge that as the bank executives approach 12:20:54 22 the merger that they consider not stepping away from 12:20:58 23 the level of investment that they've shown to LISC 12:21:02 24 and NEF in the past, but to continue those levels 12:21:04 25 and to continue their support of community 12:21:08 143 1 development. Thank you. 12:21:10 2 3 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Thank you. Any 12:21:14 4 questions? Okay. If not, then we thank you very 12:21:14 5 much, and we were scheduled to reconvene at 1:30. 12:21:22 6 We are hoping to -- we were scheduled to reconvene 12:21:32 7 at 1:30. We would like to reconvene at 1:15. It 12:21:36 8 will depend on whether we can assemble the 1:30 12:21:42 9 panel to be here at that time. So you might try to 12:21:44 10 be back here by 1:15. 12:21:50 11 12 VOICE: We will be here at 1:15. 12:21:54 13 14 CHAIRPERSON SMITH: Great. Then we'll 12:21:56 15 start at 1:15 and see you then. 12:21:56 16 17 (Recess taken.) 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25